I am quite sure they will have no comment and if they do, they will put a spin on what they said and who said what. The problem is they don't think and they don't ever listen to the residents of this town regardless if you are full time or part time. I went to a meeting and one councilmen stated we only needed 2 police during off season. One of the residents stood up and said what if there is 2 calls and then a third call, where does the police go first, who is going to be considered less important and deserves the service first. Sorry, but I seen this coming and many brushed it off and tried to discredit who ever stood up and spoke out on problems in the boardwalk area. I agree with some prior comments on similar issues in reference to the bw area. This town slowly changed the cliental and who was coming to the bw area of our town. The change has been happening in the corse of 4 years of this year being the worse. I agree that we live in dangerous times, but Gang members in our town? Inner cities trickling down to sleepy, normally peaceful towns? I don't think so, first off I would not consider our town a sleepy, normally peaceful town, I would consider Spring Lake, Sea Girt, Bay Head, Mantolokin as sleepy towns and I never seen anything in the papers that they have any Gang Members going to their towns. So it is not happening in all towns. They are coming where there is action wether they were drinking earlier or not.

Racial profiling is illegal.

Racial profiling is illegal, but a good judgment call isn't!

I agree, but it does not say either way if they were or were not drinking. Even if they were earlier do you think the bars are going to admit to this, and that there is any problem. What I don't understand is Jenkinson's security is the one who called the police, to report a possible fight on Ocean Avenue? First off he didn't know this was going to happen, he did not anticipate it being it started on their beach to the boardwalk to our streets of Point Pleasant Beach. They just proved that Jenkinson's security can't handle and are not capable or experience enough in handling problems. They are always going to push them to our streets. When did Jenkinson's start to allow social gatherings on their beach at this time of the morning? I have been to the beach and bw area enough and Jenkinson's are pushing people off their beach at 7:00/8:00 at night.

It is not racial profiling, Gang members come in all colors. White, black, hispanic, Chinese etc...This town is not familiar with gang members. They will come from all backgound and areas, some have bandanas, different colors and markings to tell them apart. However they come where it is busy and somewhere they know there is going to be action. They are not going to go to a sleepy town. They come to hopping towns and Pt. Pleasant is a hopping town no matter what anyone says. I see the Advertisement on T.V. Computer all the time. It is enticing and they push the drinking and partying atmosphere, if I was younger I would want to go to from the commercials alone. Just keeping it real.

MrCommon, You seem to have an answer for everything and I feel you are constantly making excuses. So you keep on telling yourself that you are right about everything that is going wrong with the town.

Part Timer, I agree and I feel many of your postings are right on and make sense. I don't feel it racial profiling if there is unusual tourist that are in your town, I would call it SUSPICIOUS. A town would have the right to question anything or anyone unusual going on in their town. It is called criminal profiling to me.

Great point gary, why were they released?

First off, like I said racial profiling is illegal. It does not matter if they are gang members or not. Violate this and the US AG will come down on you like a ton of bricks. 2nd, bar closings had nothing to do with this or any other gang activity. Gangs don't come to PPB to drink at Jenkinsons, they come to hang out and claim "turf". 3rd, there was only 2 officers working because retiring police officer were not re-hired and some members of the governing body, to this day, still think PPB has too many full time officers.

@Mary - Where does it say that they were drinking at Jenkinson's until close and met up with people from a rental?? You make alot of assumptions with what happened unless you have information the rest of us don't.

Ok I still dont get where the racial profiling is??? I only commented on where they were as per the police department facts.. they WERE drinking at jenkinsons and it is what it is...

Mary, please tell me where it says they were drinking at Jenkinson's? You said "police facts." Where did you get that information? I don't think "it is what it is at all!" It is these kind of assumptions and made up accusations that continue to keep this town divided. Let work on solutions.

These people don't go to the nightclub.

Ample parking

Once the gangs decide to move in it's almost impossible to stop them . . . . . legally.

No vested interest in anything, I just don't go blaming the easy target. There are many reasons for increased gang activity around the whole state of NJ. High unemployment is one, low income housing is another rules is another. And lets not forget the disturbing trend of laying off police officers by the hundreds throughout the state. Short sighted local governments are blaming years of fiscal irresponsibility on the cops. When the chickens have come home to roost.

Obviously yes, because many complaints fall on deaf ears or they like to pretend it is not happening and they will try to discredit anyone who is complaining. They will go to great lengths to discredit someone and consider some of the residents trouble.

@Rosann&Vanessa, Not only, Do I agree with your views, it seems common makes excuses and he will never admit he is possibly benefiting from the boardwalk.

Now that's funny. Maybe if you want a few more traffic tickets issued you call the State Police, but if you want real police action, give the police chief the tools and manpower he needs to do the job.

Weather we get more help from the state, county, we are paying for it one way or another some way or somehow, we mies well have our own local police that hopefully will have a lot more interest in our town. But then again at this point let's take all the help we can get.

If . . . . BIG if, the troopers make an arrest they only dump them off at OUR police station and leave. We STILL need the manpower to handle these individuals.

Gangs are not in every town and schools, some really broad statements being made, I read the paper and I am not reading that there is gang problems and activities in all schools and towns.

I hope so too.

They should but they never seem to want to because possibly to many residents will be able to give their opinions. Lets fill it up fast with only the ones who count in the town. We seem to know who that is.

I totally agree Steelcomb. Just like Atlantic City Advertises for gamblers. That is who they are trying to attract more of.

If that is what you are saying, how is it racial profiling. Then we should be able to go after anyone who appears to be suspicious criminal activity wether drinking, fighting etc...

If the shoe fits, wear it!! Most of the problems are in the BW area, it is not the families of both inner cities, locals and suburbs. It is the clubs and bars that bring in the rowdies as soon as most realize this and take responsibility and admit to this, just maybe things will change with this town.

What citizens? I don't think most have a problem with inner city kids and families coming to have fun in the sun and on the boardwalk. It is the rowdies and gang members that individuals are having a problem with. We don't want them here. We can't afford it and would not need all the extra police if it wasn't for the BW area, lets face the reality and all stop being in denial. It is not the overall businesses of the beach that is bringing them in, it is the BW area and the other larger bars and clubs such as the patio, it is on the East side of the tracks. What business on the West side is bringing in the wrong crowd? It might spread to the West side but it is ultimately coming from the East side.

I don't mind the inner city crowds coming and enjoying some family time! I am curious Sharon as to how you arrived at this conclusion. Did you take a survey or were you elected to be the spokesperson for all of the residents of PPB. Did you know that many of the residents of PPB are not true locals? Many are from north jersey, including me!!! Born and raised in Jersey City and proud of it!

Good point, Ms. Vuocolo. In fact, our own Mayor is not a "true local." You can't miss hearing that Brooklyn accent when he speaks. Many people moved here because they wanted to leave city atmospheres and escape to the beach permanently. I would say that's one of our biggest frictions...people fall in love with PPB, move here, then want to make changes that are similar to the places where they once lived. Comments like "Well, in Old Bridge, we had garbage pickup..." It's wrong to stereotype people like this. Even Lt. Dikun admits that we have families who come from the inner cities who do not cause any trouble at all. We must stay focused on those causing the problems

Boardwalk and Bars don't mix. A boardwalk is geared for family entertainment. Its a place to play games, do rides, stroll , relax and enjoy good clean fun. Bars on the boardwalk conflict with everything the boardwalk stands for. Maybe time to separate the two and all that both bring!

@Part Timer. I feel you are wise and I agree with many of you posts.

@Part Timer, I don't have a problem with having bars, restaurants,fundraisers,catering parties for nice occasions. Target a little more up scale. Night clubs, brings in the wrong crowds to the boardwalk and I agree that does not mix with family fun, you can't have it both ways in which the boardwalk seems to want it. Family and Party to wee hrs... in the morning.

councilman corbally can you please tell me what a generation of arrogance means and also what exactly is jersey shore behavior

Good one!

@pointman, If you read the article, it said jenkinson's security called them, it started on their beach to the boardwalk to the street. Jenkinson's security said they think there is going to be a fight on Ocean Avenue? What are you saying? That Jenkinson's doesn't know, or even know how to determine if there is going to be a fight. Some Security they have. Furthermore, he states as soon as they seen the police pull up they started to run to their cars, how many do you expect two police to grab. With Jenkinson's call, I am sure the police did not expect what they came upon and called for back up because Jenkinson's down played of what was happening and going on. He should have called up and said their was a riot brewing, no they don't want to do that. So what it happened a 4am. They could have been at the bar and the problems didn't carry over until then. Why would Jenkinson's allow anyone to stay on their beach at 4am wouldn't it be a liability. They didn't know there was a problem and now are allowing individuals to stay on their private beach. Why didn't they call the police earlier to tell them what was going on? You are claiming that they didn't see anything, or is it they were trying to hide it and didn't realize it was going to get that bad. I don't know anyone that would allow any gang members or drinking groups to hang out on their property no matter who it is or where it is located. So nothing adds up. We need to stop making excuses for some of the businesses here.

The retired officers they are talking about are not working at that time of the morning. It's just regular, unarmed run of the mill security guards at 4am. They have never been cops and have not training.

It might be the answer but I think it looks tacky and it is announcing there is problems in this town and it just become like all the rest of undesirable jersey shore spots. Something does need to be done. I rather not mix clubs activities with boardwalk equals problems. If you had just the bars, eateries and banquets would be a lot better. Get rid of the Bands, DJs, dance clubs and things would change.

I just read it - it is from 2008. I went on the NJ Transit list of towns and beaches for the last three years, Jenkinson's was not on it.

@beachmom46, I seen it was from 2008 and that is when it was introduced and the problems started and made many aware of Point Pleasant Beach and since it progressively got worse. Once you bring a certain crowd in to a party town it is very hard to get rid of them, but then some don't mind them and that is the real problem. Everyone is tourists wether good or bad, it is all about the money and greed.

Yes the promotion is from 2008 but who's to say that Jenkinsons is no longer offering this deal by giving discounts at the beach entrance with proof of train ticket?

@bch, I don't think this is going to stop the less desirable here just because they can't bring food on the beach. I see many individuals eating BW food no matter what they try to claim, there is lines at all the food stands and restaurants, I am not saying it would stop some, but I doubt it would put a dent in to the problems. Many that bring food are families that can't afford the beach, park and food. I highly doubt gang members or drunks are worrying about eating and cooking on the beach.

Just because individuals bring their own food to the beach doesn't mean that they are a bad element. Many are going through some tough economic times and are trying to provide some fun time for their families. I guess they are just trying to put their priorities in order. What beach was this family with the grill at, and did you actually see them leave their garbage behind?

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Could you please list your phone number...
Also, are there any such beach and rail packages being offered like in 2008 or any discounts for beach passes after a certain time.

@point, I hope you don't get upset with me too, just because I am answering different postings including yours. I don't know why it would upset you so much because someone is looking at all different views than yours, everybody can't agree with you. What are you trying to say? You don't believe the Lt.? You are adding your own words, go look at the article, he said 3 gang members were arrested do to a brawl involving 35 people. He did not state they were all gangbangers your words. Did you get to see something everyone else didn't? Where did 2 and a few watching come from. How do you know someone isn't lying to you or maybe you only saw or caught part of the brawl yourself. The same story could look different to two different people.

Thank you for the response on the NJ Transit program.
Are there any other discounts at this time being offered for the beach.

Well said. I fear it will fall on deaf ears with some here.

@Johnny, You are believing Marylou and that is your choice, but not everyone is believing everything she is saying either and that is their opinion or choice. Not that I am saying I don't. Personally everyone is putting their own spin on what they believe. It is probably in the middle and a little of all sides. Know one said anything about closing the boardwalk, so that is your spin. Offering $60,000 could be considered a bribe in exchange for not following ordinances that everyone has to. You just can't accept a bribe and we could possibly have another law suit if it was taken. Officials should not be accepting anything for an exchange to look the other way. It might be against the law. It is great that they made a donation to the school many do. It was for football lights, I think it was made to what is considered a non profit organization, totally different. They just can't offer money to look the other way. It is possible that $60,000 is not enough to cover expenses that is caused by their cliental. Even if they closed up the boardwalk or went out of business doesn't mean they would get away with not paying taxes. They would have to sell their property and someone else would pay. But I do agree if the boardwalk was not there any longer for what ever reason. We would be able to lay off 12 police and benefits just sayin.

@johnny knoxville
Sure it is nice that they offer and donate large sums of money to the town but that does not mean we have to turn a blind eye to all the bad things that come from the clubs. If we do we would be no better than most politicians in this country

@Part, I totally agree, many don't have a problem with the boardwalk, it is the night club, bands and MTV publicity that needs to go.

Property valuations? What would be the difference if it is either a nightclub or a restaurant.

I don't know if there's a difference. That's why I asked the question to Councilman Corbally. I figured he would know the answer, though.

The "nightclubs" on the Boardwalk is why operation "Rice Krispies" was needed. The town will add approximately $250,000 to our 2012 budget for police to work this area because of the folks attracted to these establishments. In essence the citizens are and will be financing security for two popular night stops. I have tried and will continue to work with the Boardwalk to find solutions. What changes have I suggested? So far, I asked all businesses to have to fill out the same event applications and pay for extra police that are assigned because of the events being held by the business. That didn't pass on a 2 to 4 no vote. I find it unfair that on "concert night" our police show up at 5PM to set up cones to direct traffic until around 10PM, and the taxpayers pay for all of those police hours. It is a great event, but not a town sponsored event, yet the taxpayers have to pay wether they want to or not.

Property valuations are based on land and improvements.

Mr Corbally, if we do not already do so, could we please start asking and documenting what establishment the person being arrested or fined was coming from so that we have records to present to the Division of Alcoholic Beverage Control. If my memory is correct this is how LBI was able to shut down a night club many years ago

Mike - really $250k for just the boardwalk at night for these clubs. And are you really trying to work with the boardwalk owners?? Nope, I don't think so. I would have like extra police this year that they offered to pay for. It is pretty clear that you are working so hard to close them down. I hope you can figure out away to finance this town when you drive the businesses out. Why such hatred or is it campaigning?

Councilman Corbally, thank you for your response, but I do not feel that you really answered my question. You keep calling those establishments on the boardwalk "nighclubs." Our municipal code does not contain a definition of the word "nighclub" so this must be a distinction that you're using, and I'm just trying to figure out what, in your mind, makes those establishments different from Frankie's, or the Ark, etc. What would those businesses like Martell's Tiki Bar and Jenkinson's North have to change to change them from a "nightclub" to an establishment like Frankie's or the Ark? You started to mention Special Events, but as far as I can tell, those Special Events have more to do with the use and ownership of the beach than the operation of the interiors of the liquor establishments. Does it have to do with the size of the crowds the boardwalk businesses attract? The age of the crowds? (Like, would it be okay with you if, instead of attracting 20 somethings, they were attracting 40 somethings...which they often do,too, but I'm sure you must realize that). Also, in terms of property valuations, does the success/profitablility of a business play a role in its property valuation?

Mike C, Property valuations are based on land and improvements. When I looked on Data-universe, the business properties and residential properties rates seem to be the same. I also did not feel they were valued any higher in comparison to residential. A house on ocean avenue was paying $25,000 in total taxes as well as a business on Ocean Avenue in comparison to size of lot and improvements.

@sand, the town should change these establishments to nightclubs, because that is what they are. Once you have D.J's, Bands,famous band, MTV character etc.... mixed with dancing alcohol should be considered nightclubs. They draw in the night crowd and it does not matter what age. Frankie's and Ark is neighborhood bars and eateries, they don't have bands, DJ's dancing etc... at their places. If you go to Frankie's at 12:00 their might be a few late night eating dinner or the bar half filled with sports fanatics. You go to jenkinson's/Martell's it is full blown, close to a thousand or more dancing drunks.

Thank you...

Yep, and it's the beach owners (the town of PPB doesn't own that beach) who have to clean up that mess on the beach, every morning, before they open for business.

If they want police camped out on their boardwalk they should be paying for it. Police are here to protect everyone the entire town, Not just for the boardwalk.

@Joan V, Just curious, Are you a resident or an employee of Jenkinson's or Martell's? Or both, I feel you are comparing apples with oranges. The town is not binging in the same clientele as the clubs/dance club. I am not gong to say boardwalk because it gets twisted around. I was under the impression the Chamber has to fill out event fees and they also pay for them, which the chamber represents the businesses at least that is the impression I was under. Private groups? Who privately needs our police? I doubt many, even when Lola brought in a Jersey Housewives to town, no police needed, they all lined up properly and there was no problems or police needed. Vinny's comedy clubs brings stars in all the time, again they all lined up properly and waited patiently in line, no problems or police needed.

You can go to the town website, www.pointpleasantbeach.org and on the left (11 down) highlight “Borough Council” and then ( 3 down) highlight Council Agendas and Minutes. The agendas will show what is requested under Caucus and/or what is being voted on for approval under resolutions. Items under Caucus are usually moved to consent resolutions during the meeting. An application is the first step with the Council as the final approval. You can highlight the minutes of any meeting to confirm what was approved. At most Council meetings there are always requests and/or approvals. All local groups, business and committees, as well as out of town groups, charitable or otherwise, follow the protocol. There is one exception, Jenkinson’s. I don’t believe that the town maintains a complete list on line. I would imagine it would be quite extensive. The town Clerk should have a complete list.

NJ does not require a cabaret license. NYC tried to reform this license requirement back in 2008. As acknowledged in this article, NYC is the only city in the world that makes dancing illegal. http://articles.nydailynews.com/2008-07-13/news/17901068_1_cabaret-license-social-dancing-new-yorkers

JW Thanks for the laugh......After reading your 150 post you put on here in the last couple of weeks I see you follow what you are preaching now....Vinnies Comedy Club could use you

@point, you are comical yourself, I am not preaching anything now....It is what I see and hear. Point you don't seem to do that bad yourself with your postings, preaching and only your POINT of views can count. You are the most immature man on these post, always trying to start trouble.... You, can't handle any differences and many react to your posts. Maybe you should go back and repeat Kindergarden or join Vinnies yourself.

@John Wayne - You said you like to be your own person and make your own decisions, why then don't you and everyone else on Patch use their real name instead of hiding behind an alias. We all have ideas, let's share them without attacking one another. Let's be mature about this. We may not always agree on everything, but we should all be able to behave like adults and try to work on a solution that is beneficial to everyone. Perhaps I am asking too much...

@Joan, Sorry if you think I insulted or attacked you. I was actually responding to Pointman, he is the one who was attacking and I was reacting and defending myself and giving him a taste of his own medicine. Good Night, and Giddy Yap to you.

Joan, in case you haven't noticed this is a small town packed with small minds. Some of these people are both vicious and vindictive. Some of us don't want to expose ourselves to the ugly side of Point Pleasant Beach politics.

@BNR, It was the first impression because the article stated they were on Jenkinson's Beach, to the boards, to Ocean Avenue. So many assumed they came from Jenkinson's Club because of how the article was written. What I have a problem with, is there is discrepancies from all sides. Marylou, is stating they were now in Jenkinson's Parking lot? Is that the part she is seeing from the tape, is it possible there is parts that the camera did not pick up, or out of the camera's view that she can't see. I mean which is it, the Lt. says they were on the beach, boards and ocean avenue, Which is it? Were they on the beach or boards first and for how long and if that is the case, Jenkinson's should not be allowing this, it is there beach, it is private so they have every right to remove them, is that what happened. It is not clear and anyone can make it look and appear and show you what you want.

@big, It is not anti RESORT,BOARDWALK, and BUSINESS. Most don't want the nightclubs, MTV circuit, rowdy trouble makers that create problems that cause quality of life to the residents and give our town a bad REPUTATION. Like you said boardwalk should be family fun with friends and have boardwalk memories, not a bunch of hoodlums, drunks, drugs etc... otherwise families will not want to come any longer and it will only get worse. You can't just let everyone do what ever they want to do along with using our town like a garbage dump and large toilet. The rules should apply to all, including our own ,which should receive the same punishment as everyone else would receive. I agree the Jersey Shore is Historic and a premier destination but it depends what you allow and how far you will let things go, look at all the other boardwalks, once they go bad, then the town goes down and no one wants to come. We have a few boardwalks that went down hill because the tourists stop coming, is that what the BUSINESSES WANT along with some of the RESIDENTS.

@Virginia, I totally agree! The problem is not that long ago, it seemed many wanted to cut the police and some still feel we have to many police even though the report claims we are under the amount of police we need for what we have in our entire town. Now, some of the same individuals feel we don't have enough police and need more. No one takes emergencies and accidents in to consideration or in to play of corse until emergencies happens to their families or themselves. It is always the way, you never need police until something happens or you always miss a service after it is gone. I am glad that your husband received the help he needed in time. Safety should always come first to the community no matter

Mrs. Helm I am glad to hear your husband made a full recovery and is doing well. I totally agree with you that the town needs to step up and bring our police dept. back to its full strength. This includes the administrative staff which right now consists of the Chief and one Lieutenant who are dong the work that should be delegated between what the state audit put the dept. at a Chief, a Captain, two Lieutenants and four Sergeants all that plan and oversee Dept. activities

Tune into MTV for the answer to your question.

@Charles - I was referring to the town website that David posted. Like I said, we may not all always agree on everything and that's ok. The important thing is that we can all express our opinions in an adult like manner... don't you think!

Joan, I agree with Charles and you, yes I do, but that includes you! It seems if some express differences not matter who they are and they have a problem with what is said or don't agree throws a dig. The important thing is to be able to have an opinion, in an adult like manner now let's see if ever one can follow your simple instructions. There is many on these post who are alias, yet you only seem to have a problem with me be an alias. Pointman, sandinmytoes, Part Timer etc.... Maybe there is a reasons that you don't understand and they want to protect other family members. You know how that goes!! Maybe you don't have to worry about family or you are so popular in town and have clout..... What is the difference if a posting chooses to be an alias post.... should it matter, it is their choice.... they should still have rights to able to express their concerns if they live in this community.

Joan, excuse the typo's I think you get it. Giddy Yap!!

@Joan, It sure didn't sound like you were referring to the town website that David posted. It sounded like you were referring to the individuals persons who were posting.

Most of Jenkinsons activities are directed at bringing families to the area, fireworks are more for kids then the club goers movie night and others. i know of only one activity Jenkinsons hosts to promote the club and that is the summer kick off. And now the town wants to charge a large fee for each of these activities which the people attend for free. The town claims these fees are to off set services. What services exactly they have their own trash collection they built the bathrooms at Parkway Which they pay high tax on as well as Jenkinsons pays for the towns bathrooms at the foot of Arnold Ave to be staffed and paper products

BNR, They absolutely do, but they also bring the rowdy drinking crowd in at night! You are right they have the summer kick off, pay for boardwalk trash, they built the bathrooms, and pays for the bathrooms at the foot of Arnold Ave with paper products, they do this all fro themselves, everything they do comes down to their own personal gain and benefit. No of this would be needed for the customers that they bring in.

@BNR, sorry for the typos.... error..... for themselves, None of this would be needed, basically in the end they are doing all this for themselves, it surely is not for the town.

@sandinmytoes - well said!

@Charles Clark - I have no idea who sandinmytoes is. I was simply responding to her post. I thought she expressed her views in a very professional manner... What do you think?

Mrs. Vuocolo, thank you for the compliment in referring to me as "she." I truly believe that my wife is the better half of my relationship. Pay no mind to those comments about people "being friends," etc. I know you're new to this forum, and I appreciate your insight. You will see that there are people of a certain opinion who believe that people who have an opposite opinion must either be friends or employees of the BW businesses. I believe these statements reveal a lot about those posters, namely that they are really the ones who are friends or have some other common agenda. Personally, I have a strong suscipion that Mr. Clark and Mr. Wayne know each other very well, based on their posts, but I usually refrain from making those types of comments as I feel it's more important to try to address the issues posted, directly, rather than discredit the person posting them based on some conspiracy theory. I commend you for your courage in posting under your own name.

@sandinmytoes, your strong suspicion is wrong, I don't know John Wayne, just because a few post are agreement with each other does not mean they know each other. You know what they say about individuals who assume, don't you!!! Who are you kidding about refraining about anything anyone posted. You don't seem to have a problem trying to discredit anyone that does not agree with your views. You commend Joan and feel she is courageous for posting under her own name. What do you think about yourself for not. Stop being a hypocrite and start to practice what you preach.

Thundercrack, I agree with your insight of what is going on and happening in the town. There is a big difference and the problem is no one is admitting to this and many are against change. True, it will only get worse, but this town is divided and it seems like it always will being all sides will not admit was is even going on.

If you read the comments by Jenkinson's public relations spoke person above. . .what she said contrasts with what was reported by police(Lt. Dikun) in the article?

Maybe they should make the video public. Maybe they are under threat NOT to.

@Beach: you have to recognize that there are vested interest who will rhetoricalize issues. . . so yes make the video available. . .

In this blog she offerered it to anyone who wanted to see it. Did you ask??

It is possible, but who really knows? I heard all sides are covering up what really happened. If that is the case, we will never know, again no one is going to admit to it like everything else that is going on in the town.

@Beach, Why? They are only going to show you what they want you to see!! They could erase anything they want to! Isn't that what usually happens.

To walk on the boardwalk is free and there is no one watching who is coming or going as are the beaches after certain hours. I could only imagine what the ACLU would do to Jenkinsons or this town if they turned anyone away because they felt they belonged to a gang because it would be turned into a discrimination lawsuit. In Marilous response their video indicates the people involved did not use any Jenkinsons property but the beach which anyone can enter at that time of day. And I could only imagine what CRAB would bring up if Jenkinsons locked the beaches.

june bug i dont know if you live in town or not but there have been gangmembers living in some of the motels thank god we have a great police dept sadly to say their budget was cut years ago but luckily it is a political year and it was increased although also gang members were arrested in the borough where they were living so please be aware they are all over even at our local movie theaters so please use caution when you leave our bubble

FYI june bug!!! The GANG members are here year round! You just don't realize it. Look all around you at the messages that are written on the walls and in the halls. You might think that it's graffiti...WRONG, it is their way of communicating with others. Not all gang members hail from the inner cities such as Newark and Paterson. Many are from the suburbs!!!! They aren't all minorities! Many are caucasian...They can be your next door neighbor... What do you think about that?

Believe me, I am just as concerned with you on what is going on in our town. But how do you stop them from coming to a free boardwalk or the town for that matter. Unfortunately, you can't just kick individuals out if they have not done anything wrong yet. You can't accuse everyone they are in a gang. Some might look like they are in a gang and are not, others might not look like they are in a gang and are, you can't judge a book by its cover, we all should all know this by now, just take a look at our council members both past and present.

@BNRinPOINT, I agree: but I was under the impression they were not even on the beach according to Marylou. Which is it? It flip flops back and fourth. The police said they started on the Beach to the boards to Ocean Avenue, Marylou stated they meet in Jenkinson's Pravilone Parking lot. When there is so many stories and different sides, do you really expect any one to believe anyone in this town on issues or what has happened or going on in this town.

@Patrick Cavaugh, Do you have a count on how many gangmembers are living in the town of Point Pleasant Beach? Is it against the law to be in a gang? If so, does the town have the right to get rid of them. Does the town have any rights or say on who the Motels are allowed to rent to? Maybe stricter ordinances have to be put in place. I don't know the laws but it seems you might know by some of your posts.

I have to think that you are making this up. Pizza boxes don't thave company names on them. You may have wanted to check this out before you made this claim.

@BNRinPoint, we all understand how much Jenkinsons gives back to the town in taxes and donations but again, you and many others are missing the point. Do you think Jenkinsons could survive if they turned the nightclub into a fourstar restaurant to attract a better class of people to the boardwalk.

@Part Timer I'd like to see them try!!

ppbresident, Not everyone wishes to own Jenkinson's, you have to be a certain type of person to own that type of business, not everyone is capable or molded to be that type of persons.

@John Wayne - Oops!!! Pardon me, I forgot to say Giddy - Yap! Dale Evans would be disappointed in me if I forgot to sign off like this...Have a wonderful evening!

Thank You, and I hope you had a wonderful evening too!! Giddy Yap!! and don't forget it next time.

June Bug do you agree that gang members lived in our motels over the years and that a gang member was arrested at the bay point motel not to long ago did you not know that they have been HERE for years

@june bug - I certainly didn't mean to offend you! If you read my post I never said that you made a comment about minorities. I was just making a statement that not all gang members are minorities and hail from the inner citites. You said you have been following my posts for the last few days, I am flattered. You seem to know a lot about me, even where I live! Too bad I don't know who you are, perhaps we could get together over a cup of coffee and discuss these issues. I would like that! Unfortunately, our society has changed since the late 80's. Where do I begin? Famous athletes, musicians, rappers, movie stars, reality TV (which I really dislike), all of these wonderful roles models. The days of Ozzie & Harriet are over forever! The Kardashians have moved into their timeslot. We can't go back in time, unless you have a time machine. We can only try to work together...Enjoy your day!

Late 80's......ya, it was on fire. 1989.

Joan, you are sounding just a bit sarcastic on many of your post, don't you think most are aware of the changes of the world today and what is going on and the reason many don't believe what many are trying to push on their version of what is going on in our town. What happened to trying to work together on issues instead of trying to give everyone a lesson on what the world of today is.

Two weeks from now is not the solution nor is a a time to let the issue die. We seem to forget the issue every fall and nothing gets done. The next thing it is next season and then it is to late to do anything. Vote yes on the referendum question for parking!!!!

If a parking plan like the referendum question was in force the probability of issues like this will diminish!

blindbert....they were parked in legal parking lots. Residential parking would mean nothing.

Every year the same thing happens, they argue and fight about what should be done, it is dragged out until the end of the season and everyone forgets about it and then the spring, summer is upon us and we have to deal with another year that nothing was done and the town becomes worse year after year.

@John, Why is that? Did he run the BW business different then it is today. Are you remembering the same as I did? Grab a hot dog and a beer late in the evening as the BW was opened for family fun business and when they left pretty much everything closed up close to the same time.

First of all, being backed up by 3 other towns at 4 am leads to what....4 more police units? Bay Head...1 cop on duty. Mantoloking...1 cop on duty. Pt Boro....2 or 3 on duty then.

Why were more not stopped exitting the lot....don't know. Could be that the police all rushed right up to the front of the lot and didn't worry about blocking the lot? Could be they'd rather have them out of the area than have to stop and question them all? Don't know....I'm not a cop.

They should try it then! A Four Star restaurant would be a lovely addition to this town.

And, yes, people should take responsibility for their own actions. If you build it, they will come. So, they built a nightclub...and not a very upscale one, they got what they got. And yes, they should be responsible. The last time I checked, my house guests weren't peeing on other people lawns or starting fights in parking lots. If they were, I would've kicked them out of my house long ago and never invited them back!

I doubt a Four Star restaurant at the BW would survive. It would be no where near what the business they bring in today. I agree everyone should be responsible for their own action to a certain extent. But if a business wants to continue to do business in a town they need to take some of the responsibility in what they are bringing in to the town and how and who they are marketing to. If a town does not like what is happening then the business should change according to what direction they want their town to go in. If the business does not like it, then they leave. The business does and should not run the town. If you have visitors to your home that continue to behave badly and are causing havoc to you'r a town or anyone for that matter, I am sure you are going to be talked too and will have to take some responsibility or you are going to have trouble from that town. So, yes Jenkinson's should be held responsibility if they want to do business in any town for that matter, not just the beach. Places are closed down all the time when there is that many complaints are being filed on one place wether business or someone's home.

BNRinPoint, Hahaha, Point Beach is run by Jenkinson's already. Far better off? I don't think so. Unfortunately they could get away with a lot more than any town could. They make lots of money? Being you brought this up, how much does the PPB boardwalk claim they make? Maybe that is why they are so successful. I am not here to Judge, that is for the good Lord above to decide, all the successful businesses will have to live with themselves eventually.

@Colonel Mustard, Yes we did know the boardwalk was there but once again we are not complaining about the boardwalk as we are the night clubs and the people they attract. Boardwalk and Bars don't mix. A boardwalk is geared for family entertainment. Its a place to play games, do rides, stroll , relax and enjoy good clean fun. Bars on the boardwalk conflict with everything the boardwalk stands for. Maybe time to separate the two and all that both bring!

@Part Timer, You mention a "boardwalk is geared for family entertainment"

Good clean fun? Have you been to Atlantic City? It's the oldest Boardwalk in the United States and it's a dump. Should a company have to shut down a Nightclub because of a past time that is almost over 100 years old? HBO is raking in the $$ airing a fictionalized version of where this all started. I understand your problem with the Night Clubs, but the complaint is directed at the wrong entity. Heavy drinking and partying, and all the debauchery that goes with it was BORN on a boardwalk.

Now there's an idea....anyone for the 18th amendment?

9 cops making over 100k and still below all the surrounding towns which do not have a boardwalk or liquor licenses or even comes close to generating the court revenue that the Pt Bch. cops do. Also it seems that people quality of life issues came up when it was these types of incidents were bought up at a council meeting. I am not saying that these incidents should be tolerated, but if i am sleeping at midnight and someone urinates on my front grass i will not know what had happened when i get up at 6:00. Unless of course a hundred people urinated at the same spot. And if a had seen it occur I would call the Police, they seem to get anywhere in town very quickly

Colonel Mustard, good point with Atlantic City but have you ever been to Ocean City NJ, GOOD CLEAN FUN...

Yes, Ocean City is very nice....and look, it's a dry town. No booze. Also, it's curious that in the year when other borough departments are facing forced furlough days police action is through the roof? Sounds to me like the police are trying to justify their presence every way they can. How can Mayor & Council possible order furlough days when they are needed so dearly?

@Mustatrd, Are you familiar with the Atlantic City Boardwalk? If was recently rated the number 1 boardwalk in NJ. They have all walks of life going their to gamble in their casinos. They have many upscale restaurants, music, clubs, shows and bands. They are a distant from the little kiddie rides and arcades. You see, AC tourist go directly to their hotel room or their cars and leave, they don't go screaming in the neighbor hood streets leaving special presents, their streets are real dangerous and most would be afraid to walk their streets. The show HBO Boardwalk Empire is about corruption, doesn't surprise me that is what was going on. No one is innocent as far as to which entity is to blame, everyone is taking part in it.

Thanks for stating the obvious! I've lived all over the country and yes, things happen even in 4 star restaurants and believe it or not, even Beverly Hills has some crime!!! HOWEVER, the fact that things have been getting progressively worse in this town for years now should be a big wake up call for everyone. It's not just one incident every once in a while. It's a ridiculous amount of disruption by a crowd that is attracted to this town for primarily one reason, the clubs. Yes, they added bathrooms several years ago. But, as you stated, a business has to change with the times. Those bathrooms aren't fixing the problem anymore. Jenkinsons has many other fabulous attractions on the boardwalk that attract families. Those businesses have grown without causing the disruption that the club causes. So, instead of marketing to a crowd that seems to bring obnoxious behavior with it, how about marketing to an older crowd? Or stop serving people once they've had way too much to drink, like the bars in town do? They can't control what people do once they leave there, but they can control who they invite in and how they are treated while inside. I think our police force is great. They do an amazing job, but it shouldn't be their responsibility or the taxpayers to babysit a bunch of drunk people coming out of two establishments that seem to endure more bad behavior than they should.

@Thundercrack, I agree with you, now how are we going to get through to the officials of this town. When are they going to realize and what is it going to take for them to see what is happening to our town. They can control who they invite, but it is possible if they invite a different crowd, they just might leave earlier and drink less which might hurt their income. Most importantly the restrictions on last call should be followed by laws. Don't allow 6 drinks at last calls, I am sure any trained bartenders would know this should not be allowed.

The problem is the taxpayers are footing the bill for the Police Required, not the Boardwalk. This year's emergency appropriations will add $250,000 Extra to our 2012 budget.

Mr. Corbally....if you (Mayor and Council) hadn't reduced the PD budget in the first place...the emergency appropriation would not have been needed. And the manpower to do what they are doing now would have been in place all summer and there would have been many less issues.

Hindsight is a bi**h

Although i will never happen!!! I would certainly prefer to turn the boardwalk into an East Ave like in Bay Head/Manto. You could have 100 upscale homes with a town owned and accessible beach such as our southern neghbors. Those southern beaches have many nice access walkways and a season tag is only $15/ Year.Those 100 homes would probably be worth 3+ million each. That total assesment of 300 million would, at current tax rate generate 9+ million in taxes. Then the value of the rest ot the real estate in town would increase. Those 100 homes might fill our schools that are looking for tution students anyway.

@blindbert, Amen to that!

blindbert maybe thats not a bad idea the town should let them build condos and buildings just like long branch and asbury on the boardwalk owners properties

blindbert so you would not mind to see a residential complex like pier village in long branch

@johnny knoxville, that is the mentality you would expect from someone pretending to be johnny knoxville. Obnoxious and mature!!

correction, immature!!

Since the early 80's many political donations let the donors do whatever they wanted without repercussions. The building and zoning looked the other way. That is how in large part how our town has degraded. Many of the BW interests have expanded use with no approvals. Expanded use increased parking demand. Look at the ever exanding seated areas at Jenks and Martells among others.

"Little Mac's" should change their name to "Big Macs" They tripled their footprint with seating areas North and South. Martells keeps expanding eastward you can not even see the increase unless you patronize. How about the Cafe style seating on the BW.

Jenk's ability to accomodate people may have increased ten fold since the old days.Hours of operation/ patronage have increased greatly also. 20% of the footprint of the southern Pavilion was a walk and the rocker deck. No food was allowed out their. It now seems the the patios to the north are now being utilized as seating area.

All of these increases should have had Land Use Approval that parking issues should have been addressed. These increases seem to have occurred in the Hennessy Reign that even is in force to this day.

It is the BW that has changed so much and is attracting increasing throngs of annoying people. Have long have you been hear Johnny Obnoxville? When the door closes it might be your face it hits.

That beach is to small to manage it makes sense to lease. BH and Manto do not have this problem because they are larger operations.

Blindbert How much does the town receive for the lease of the maryland ave beach .

I have no idea. I am sure you can fnd this out elsewhere.

I travel for work, so yes, I've lived all over...BUT I've had a home here for 35 years. I don't want things to change to "suit me". Call me crazy, but I don't like being woken up at 3am in the morning because drunken idiots are parading down my street. I don't like watching people pee on lawns. I don't like feeling unsafe walking home in the dark. And I'm not happy about the fact that I had to install a security system in my house for the winter months when no one is around and burglaries are out of control. These are things that are new to this town. They shouldn't be in any town. I'm not asking for things to change to suit me. I'm asking for everyone to take action to prevent things from getting worse. AND yes, the servers at the bars in those clubs should judge people. If they are already drunk, they shouldn't be served any more. I've seen way too many obnoxious drunks continue to be served. This doesn't happen in the bars in town. I understand that I live in a town that depends on tourism, but I also think there should be some level of respect demanded from our guests.

Joan, You are truly mistaken, I am not agitated one bit! Personally I think you like to claim your innocence on, that you never mean what you said. I really don't care what anyone thinks for that matter, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, something that many have a problem with. I was responding to another post, not you in response, everyone is doing it and seems to think one post or another is connected. I agree and I said it before, EVERYONE is calling the kettle black and this is what makes it so much more fun including you and me, it surely does not make it right, but it is human nature. Exactly, I said some don't think David Cavagnaro posts are normal from previous posts and topics, I didn't say I think he does not have normal posts. It is not so much as friends, it is that some post agree with each other and some disagree and that is fine in my opinion, just as some are entitled to be alias and some do not, it is what makes the world go around and different.

@patrick cavaugh, You mean if a place "business" in any town that has repeated problems, they can't be closed in down? What town does a town have. Let me get this straight, we should praise them for not opting to rent to section 8, but praise them in renting to gang members? Personally, I was under the impression that the hotels do rent to section 8 already, so maybe June Bug is not the only ones who does not realize what is going on in our town.

To vote for the people who represent the town. Vote YES for the parking referendum.

Do not vote for the Regular Republican ticket or Frank Rizzo who they control. Those people will vote on behalf of Boardwalk who donate heavily to their cause!!!!!!

Mike I here that the council cut the budget on the special police officers when chief depolo was in charge. can you tell me what the budget for the specials was five years ago to what it is now exluding the 95000 the town recently increased their budget.

The $95,000 approved in July goes to the 2012 budget. We will be voting on part two of the emergency appropriation shortly for $60,000 for the training of increased "Specials" for 2012. Nothing has been approved, but I would assume operation "Rice Krispies" will be ready for the start of 2012. So hopefully the $95,000 spent for half of this year can cover all of next year. $250,000! That number would double if we added in all the police required to support the BW.

@blindbert -We sick an' tired of-a your ism-skism game - We know when we understand - You can fool some people sometimes, but you can't fool all the people all the time. So now we see the light...

@blindbert - exactly the response I was waiting for from you. I think it's time you take off your rose colored glasses so that you can see the light!

@blindbert - It really is unfortunate that you feel the need to bring my husband into this. I haven't mentioned your family or anyone else's. Why anyone would want to run for public office in this town is beyond me. I suggest if you are dissatisfied with the politicians that you say "are supposed to represent this town", you share your displeasure with them. In the meantime, I would appreciate it if you would be so kind as to leave my family out of this. I guess when Beach_N8iv posted earlier about this being a small town packed with small minds, it was people like you that he/ she was referring to.

Just turning on the light you referred to!!

I agree Thundercrack. Martells is doing a promotional event today that’s even advertised on the Weather Channel Wow! Drawing more people to the town on Friday unnecessarily adds to the pressure on our Police and First Aid, as well as on highways. The clear message from every level of government is to leave the shore areas NOW to be safe. Jenkinson’s can cry that they’re being demonized by some politicians, but this action by them drives home the clear message that MONEY and PROFITS are always their primary concern.

I don't listen to much to radio or weather channel, so I haven't caught any of their ads. . .but this is outrageous and just plain gluttonous on the part of Jenkinsons and Martells. . .

Just wondering what they pay their PR person. . .whats her name Halvorsen. . .time to change their PR . . .telling people to come down Friday-Saturday when the Governor might order mandatory evaluation. . .that means Mr. Storino and Mr.Bassinger. . .NO people on the Boardwalk!

This should be brought to the attention of the Mayor and Council...

You're totally missing the point.

@johnny knoxville - very insightful!

@blindbert - Love the Grateful Dead!!!!