Christie Promises Income Tax Cuts at Manchester Town Hall Meeting
Governor takes questions from residents in 13th 'Jersey Comeback' session of 2012
Republican Gov. Chris Christie touted his admittedly blunt approach to governing while promising to lower taxes and work with "right-minded Democrats" to complete the "Jersey Comeback" in a town hall meeting Thursday.
Several hundred residents packed an auditorium at the New Jersey Maneuverable Assets Training Equipment Site in Manchester for Christie's 13th town hall meeting of 2012. The crowd showered the governor with frequent applause as the conversation veered from local concerns to national issues.
"We are going to cut your taxes this year," the governor said. "We are cutting taxes because I promised you I would when I ran, and I keep my promises."
Christie said his chief priority this year is a 10 percent income tax cut, which he proposed as part of his $32.1 billion 2013 budget package. The cut, which has been criticized by some as benefiting the wealthy over the poor, has been promised for every New Jersey worker but Christie said Thursday he and Senate President Steve Sweeney still have to determine whether an across-the-board reduction is workable.
But he said his actions to restrain government since 2009 has put the state in a position to afford such a cut.
"Two years of tough action... has put us in the position where we can cut income taxes," Christie said. "In New Jersey, no one should pay higher taxes."
Christie repeatedly praised Sweeney, a Democrat, for his willingness to "put New Jersey first" in a bipartisan manner while slamming Democratic Sen. Frank Lautenberg, who he labeled a "partisan hack.
"I will not make any apologies for working with right-minded Democrats," Christie said.
Bipartisanship is essential when working with a Democratic-controlled Legislature, Christie said. Although he would "never compromise my principles," he's willing to work with Democrats even though he knows "I'll never get everything I want."
Christie, a former Morris County freeholder, said he doesn't mind if people simply don't like him. "No one in this job should worry about being loved," he said, adding that he aims to be respected.
But almost all speakers Thursday in heavily Republican Ocean County showed respect and affection, with one calling him a "breath of fresh air" while another urged him to run for president.
Christie, who flirted with a presidential bid last year, waded into national politics when a speaker questioned what could be done to temper a contentious Republican presidential primary race.
The governor, who has endorsed former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, said it's "pretty clear" Romney will be the GOP choice and urged former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich to bow out of the race.
"It's too important an election to fight amongst ourselves," Christie said.
Other speakers' questions were squarely local.
Point Pleasant Beach resident Marilyn Burke briefed the governor on the municipality's proposal to force bars to close at midnight or pay a fee based on occupancy and the amount of time they want to stay open past midnight, which is up for adoption April 3. Burke, who is a frequent attendee at Point Beach meetings, labeled the proposal "extortion."
Christie wouldn't take a position on the proposal but said he "gets concerned about people who try to go beyond the (state-mandated 2 percent) tax cap by imposing other fees." He promised to instruct Richard Constable, the acting commissioner of the Department of Community Affairs, to "go down there and interview the powers that be."
A Lakewood resident pleaded for "some attention to the roadways" after criticizing congestion on Route 9 as a "huge problem." Christie agreed and said he'll instruct James Simpson, commissioner of the Department of Transportation, to work on alleviating congestion on Route 9 in particular, a complaint the governor said he's heard from municipal and Ocean County elected officials, as well.
Christie's aides were repeatedly instructed to take speakers' contact information so he can get them answers directly from state officials such as Constable, Simpson and Bob Martin, commissioner of the Department of Environmental Protection. The governor said his office has directly answered 359,000 of 366,000 letters and emails received since he was in office.
A Whiting resident questioned why seniors, who made up the bulk of the assembled crowd, still have to pay taxes to fund public education. Christie sympathized but said any alternative to property taxes would not be easily implemented, requiring the state to "have a conversation" about how to otherwise fund schools and municipalities.
Manchester Mayor Michael Fressola praised Christie after the meeting, calling the town hall meeting "phenomenal.
"He did an outstanding job," Fressola said. "He answered the questions that were asked."
Christie said his direct style of governing earns him critics, especially among the news media, who want to "put him on the couch." But the former U.S. Attorney said he will not change his approach, which he said includes appointing and hiring staffers who are incorruptible.
"We are leading by example. You can be proud to live in New Jersey again, not embarrassed."
Dominick Palermo
7:50 pm on Thursday, March 29, 2012
CUT MY PROPERTY TAXES ----8G A YR IN 2012---------------1700 IN 1985
Mr. ?
8:43 pm on Thursday, March 29, 2012
Write a letter, but you could end up to be one of the seven not answered. Would love to see the responses given by his staff. Watch out for that white powder in the letter of response, but not to worry.... probably only powder from all them doughnuts. Couldnt help it, sorry So you must live in TR?
Matt Del Prete
12:40 pm on Friday, March 30, 2012
Lots of things were cheaper 30 years ago!
JB
7:36 pm on Friday, March 30, 2012
wow
joe zaprzalka
12:49 pm on Sunday, April 1, 2012
Dominic.... I so agree,its not the income taxes that are driving us out .... its the property taxes
Chief Wahoo
8:31 pm on Thursday, March 29, 2012
and the liar promised to cut property taxes .....how did that work out for you homeowners who voted for him ?
James
4:36 am on Saturday, March 31, 2012
Well i would start with asking your local government officials whose budget directly effects the property tax rate. Also, i would ask the supreme court of NJ who made Abbott school districts since about 60% or so of property taxes go to public schools.
barbara
9:00 pm on Thursday, March 29, 2012
Sorry I could not attend....Thank you Gov. for your very quick and responsive help you gave me with my problem with the State Disability Office. Your staff's personal phone calls to me and emails were such a help and we got to the root of the problem in no time. Also thanks to the Directors office of State Disability for his 3 phone calls to me to investigate the problem. All solved. Yes, I am a public servant, my paycheck is feeling it, but u gotta do what u gotta do. Keep up the good work Gov.
Tony
10:15 pm on Thursday, March 29, 2012
Why do seniors have to fund public education? Because it is everyone's responsibility to insure the future prosperity of our country. Previous seniors fought for and paid for the education of the next generation. We should stop being selfish and accept our responsiblity to our youth.
suz
10:41 pm on Thursday, March 29, 2012
Sorry to disagree with you Tony...worked since I was l7 years old and own my own home at 29. I think I paid my dues. Oh, we never had children by the way.
Cathy Kelly
10:57 pm on Thursday, March 29, 2012
Agree 100%. When their kids were going to school,someone else without kids were paying for it. also. I find it comical when people who have kids that attended Public school that have long graduated,they conveniently forget that EVERYONE was paying for their children also...It is and always has been a pay it forward...my kids will be out of school in about 4-5 years and I will continue to pay school taxes with no problem because everyone paid when my kids were in school..
barbara
7:19 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
Agree, Tony. My kids have been out of school for a long time, now i have grandchildren in school. When my kids were in school seniors had to pay.
Project Bluebeam
8:13 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
I agree with you Tony, but let's practice the same benevolent philosophy with our seniors. Too many younger people are quick to relegate them to the trash heap because they deem them too old to be useful to society.
Robjob
8:13 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
I never sent my kids to public school, and I still had to pay school taxes.
Opinionated
8:33 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
I am amused when people like Tony ask such a question. One, some seem to forget where they come from. Someone had to pay for their education back in the day. Come now, it wasn't THAT long ago. Second, I'm sure there are many young people who say, "why do I have to pay for someone else's Social Security?". After all, it is questionable if Social Security will be around when they come of age. And please don't tell us you paid your full share of those benefits. Check the stats, if you got exactly what you paid into the system, you would be getting a fraction of you are receiving today.
Billabong
9:48 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
It's amazing how people conveniently forget (and do not appreciate) those whose taxes contributed to their education. Nothing like setting a selfish example. As a public school kid I may not have given a second thought to how my education was paid for but as a tax-paying adult, I sure appreciate it now. When 'm a senior, I'll have no qualms about paying my share to ensure the education of other kids.
Mark Wendell
8:34 pm on Friday, March 30, 2012
@ Tony and @ Billabong Well said guys. This country can not grow if we don't do right by or kids. And the right thing to do is give them the best start we as a country can give. The schools welcome the senior community and I think they should go see for themselves what is done in our schools with so little. Boy I wish my co-op could go and get a tax break, man o man.
John
2:31 am on Saturday, March 31, 2012
Sue;
Your selfish! At 29 you have no were near paid your dues! it has been the civic duty of all to help educate the children of the next generation! that is how it is everywhere in this country. Just wondering who paid your your education?
suz
8:11 am on Saturday, March 31, 2012
Well John, to answer your question, my parents paid for my education BECAUSE I attended catholic school. I do not think I am "selfish". Not when the cost of what the BOE wants from ALL of us...not just seniors. I know teachers, good teachers, and they all agree that the waste out weights the monies they demand.
Jim
11:01 pm on Thursday, March 29, 2012
Ron Paul 2012 or no vote.
.
11:02 pm on Thursday, March 29, 2012
Christie has done nothing so far that I can see since he took office. All he does is blow a lot of hot air around and wants to make you think he is doing something of importance.
NJ resident
8:02 pm on Friday, March 30, 2012
Oh, but he is doing something ... making sure the rich get richer and the middle class is led to believe he cares. How about AC, the toll hike (even if he didn't approve it originally, he could have stopped it - like the millionaires tax.), the mall in the meadowlands that is costing us plenty, and that tunnel project that is going to cost us high legal fees, etc? Another thing this governor has done is make me ill to think we voted for him in the first place.Many look at the sound bites and follow blindly...
Jim
11:04 pm on Thursday, March 29, 2012
Republicans wont win without Paul. Obama = Bush. Mainstream media only works for so long.
Cathy Kelly
12:17 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
I find it comical that Christie is going to instruct Richard Constable, the acting commissioner of the Department of Community Affairs, to "go down there and interview the powers that be." Is he really saying he is not aware of what is happening in our town...Ok Governor,why is it ok for some "tourists towns"to have local option taxes but not others??? after all ppb is a "tourist town"and your administration has touted how well you did bringing visitors and tourists to the state....Why are you allowing the residents to have to pay for it? Why are you not doing ANYTHING to help the taxpaying/residents offset what it is costing us to accomodate all of these tourists?
Joseph Woolston Brick
1:08 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
Christie is embarrassing, he like an escapee from The Jersey Shore cast.
I B buggin
4:08 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
Come November
-Write in Ron Paul....
im a local
5:54 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
Maybe while Christie is in Point Pleasant Beach he can ask Vinny Barrella about the shell game he is playing with the budget. Barrella is ignoring the 2% cap and continues to move millions outside the cap and put the full burden of costs on the taxpayers. I say to Christie, bring on a hard cap with no loopholes and let the mayor try to play his game then.
Cathy Kelly
8:41 pm on Friday, March 30, 2012
you are incorrect,get the facts and than post a comment...
Tom
11:43 pm on Friday, March 30, 2012
Maybe Christie could send under cover agents to see what goes on at the BW empire. Christie, please check it out. Spread your guys and follow the cash, no loopholes, pay the right amount of taxes. Do not let them play the game of making the residents burden the costs of all the tourists.
George Smith
6:03 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
Ms. Kelley----The Governor is not the one who does not know what is going on in your town, it is YOU!!!! PPB has some of the lowest taxes in the state because PPB gets enough money from tourists, parking and court as I unserstand it, to pay for police for the whole year!!!! To the rest of our county and state folks like you are just whiney rich people. Do you really believe PPB needs the same kind of help Atlantic City and Newark need?
randi
8:19 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
If we had no boardwalk and downtown businesses paying taxes, and nobody paid to park here, and nobody had to go to court and pay a fine, where would the town get revenue from ?
Cathy Kelly
8:46 pm on Friday, March 30, 2012
George Smith..you are so off the mark,it is not even worth trying to educate you...by the way,Cape May is a beautiful Beach resort and they have local option taxes so please do at least a little research so you sound like someone that is actually worth having a conversation with...k thanks
George Smiths
10:13 pm on Friday, March 30, 2012
Ms. Kelley----I'm sorry, but you again do not have your facts correct. According to the NJLeague of Municipalities website "The Cape May County Tourism Sales Tax (1992) levies an additional 2 percent sales tax on room rentals, restaurant food, admission charges to amusements and cover charges in nightclubs only in Wildwood, North Wildwood and Wildwood Crest. Fees collected are for the county tourism authority." Instead of rich folks with property taxes lower than their neighbors trying to pay for cops and garbage with taxes on tourists Cape May is using a sales tax to advertise for more tourists. Where do you get your info? Here is link to League website on this issue. http://www.njslom.org/property-tax-history/index.html
Tom
11:36 pm on Friday, March 30, 2012
George, Most of the folks that live full-time are not rich people. Yes, PPB needs the same kind of help for their tourists. We have just as many visiting us as Atlantic City. Why Not? How can the state allow some and not others. The Governor does not understand what goes on in the entire state never mind PPB, If you do not live here, you do not know what you are talking about.
URFAT
7:35 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
He should think about cutting weight. Start by staying out of buffets and munching down a dozen donuts. Then work on your demeanor, it stinks.
WhitingBoy
8:35 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
To the Whiting resident at the meeting: I am younger and live in Whiting…should I instruct them not to tax me for all the services seniors get? We all benefit from an educated society, even if you have never sent children into the school system. My money goes to the society at large (schools, seniors, roads, etc) as determined by our elected officials…if I don’t like the apportionment, then I vote against them. What a terribly cynical, selfish and myopic opinion you have.
Opinionated
8:39 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
To WhitingBoy: that person you mentioned should be more concerned what Obamacare will do for them when they get sick. If the cost is too much or treatment is futile, it will be bye-bye. But you have to admit their memory is conveniently lacking.
Trish
3:07 pm on Friday, March 30, 2012
Very well said WhitingBoy
Mark Wendell
9:02 pm on Friday, March 30, 2012
@ whitingboy, Well said.
Poindexter McSmash
9:15 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
No taxes will be raised was the first lie. Then they take our local township taxes and give it to North Jersey school systems because it cost more, for some reason, to educate their children? Remember, all of the corruption is from up north where they also pick our government leaders.
Minnie
10:54 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
He was not at manchester town hall, he was down 539, in the new egypt area
Trish
3:00 pm on Friday, March 30, 2012
"A Whiting resident questioned why seniors, who made up the bulk of the assembled crowd, still have to pay taxes to fund public education."
And there it is...our senior population (the vast majority anyway) always trying to vote down the school budget. Thankfully so long as the budget is below the cap we no longer vote on it, this way hopefully we can maintain rather than always cutting from our kids...and I say our as in OUR COMMUNITY'S KIDS!
Joan Vuocolo
5:04 pm on Friday, March 30, 2012
Thank you Marilyn Burke for making Gov. Christie aware of what is happening here in PPB. You are truly a breath of fresh air!!! I applaud your efforts!
Cathy Kelly
7:10 pm on Friday, March 30, 2012
haha
Tom
11:31 pm on Friday, March 30, 2012
Joan, Obviously you do not go to any meetings! Marilyn Burke gets up and comments on issues in all different meetings and budgets including the schools. I would not call it a breath of fresh air, more like which way is the win blowing tonight. I have seen this women start out supporting an issue and then not in the next breath. She flip flops more than Anne Lightburn. She is coached by a bunch of local politicians and residents that confuse her to the point she does not understand what is going on or the question she is asking. It is a matter who gets a hold of her. It is pathetic that they use this women. They set her up, she is their puppet. Did you think Marilyn was so great and a breath of fresh air when she was against the school budget in which you work at. Did you applaud her efforts then. If so, maybe it is time for you to get another job. I am sure the BW will give you one. I am guessing Jeff Dyer drove her to the meeting being he was there. The councilmen who was in office to see what he can get out of it all. He was all about himself , either a job or business. He should be embarrassed and so should she.
Cathy Kelly
7:12 pm on Friday, March 30, 2012
Isn't that Jeff Dyer sitting behind Christie,He was our councilman for how long???Now i get it when Dyer said that the BW was going to pick up and move to Manchester...hahahahahaha
Im a local
10:17 pm on Friday, March 30, 2012
Ah yes, I see Cathy Kelly found her way out of Point Beach and is now commenting on a statewide basis, and showing her class all along the way. By the way Cathy, DO YOUR HOMEWORK !!! Yes, Cape May has a local option tax, and 100% of it is earmarked to promote the tourism industry. It all goes back to promote CAPE MAY TOURISM and not to throw money at bad government !! Get your facts straight or are you asking our Governor to allow local option taxes in Point Beach to promote tourism as well.
Cathy Kelly
11:02 pm on Friday, March 30, 2012
Local,I found my way because it involves the town that I live in. I have my facts straight and I would gladly promote tourism in our town and I also want to see our quality of life not get diminished to the point of no return. Again,people that hide behind alias's and refuse to stand up for what they believe yet are so adament in stating what they think are cowards.......Talk about class,every post you make has absolutely no merit because you are hiding behind a fake name instead of taking ownership of your statements....
Spooner
11:11 pm on Friday, March 30, 2012
Im a Local: the only thing local options taxes are going to promote in Point Beach. . .is feed more money into the pockets of the PBA and it's members there?
Tom
12:10 am on Saturday, March 31, 2012
Spooner, You might be a local. But you do not live in Point Peasant Beach. More than half the times you are wrong. Who ever you age getting the information from is giving you misinformed information.
Cathy Kelly
11:03 pm on Friday, March 30, 2012
George,both of your statements referring to "rich people" ,just goes to show your ignorance. There are a few people that have alot of money in the beach(I am not one of them)and there are many more middle class families just trying to survive...Maybe you should look at some other articles on the patch,where (PPB)people are complaining that they can not afford any tax increases. Maybe you need to,Again,do a little research before you sound as uninformed as you do.......obviously you do not live here so you have no clue of what is happening...
George Smiths
11:37 pm on Friday, March 30, 2012
Ms: Kelly---you are right, I don't live in your town. And I know there are middle class residents in your town. But you do have the low property taxes compared to the rest of us don't you? Can you tell me why it is fair for people with the lowest property taxes to put an additional tax on those with higher property taxes just because they visit your town?
Tom
12:19 am on Saturday, March 31, 2012
George Smiths, I do not know where you live. Let me ask you this question. If you have thousands of visitors coming to your town every year and the impact was costing you money. Police, garbage, bw repairs, extra police services as a resident would you want to pay for it. It does not matter if you think our taxes are lower than yours or other towns. We should not have to pay for the impact that it caused by tourists. Never mind the quality life for some that live surrounding the BW. We had a bad summer no matter what some say. Would you want drunk, screaming tourist, cursing and fighting early hours in the morning by your house waking up your family every hour or so by the out of control partying rentals. I highly doubt it.
Tom
12:20 am on Saturday, March 31, 2012
George, There is more residents here struggling than rich, that is how little you know.
Tom
12:02 am on Saturday, March 31, 2012
Im a local, so did you! Point Pleasant Beach already promotes tourism, they do not need any more. Point Pleasant Beach sends a lot of money to the State of NJ and we get very little back in return. Yet he expects our town to take care of their selves including paying for the tourists that come her. I do not care how much the police writes or collects in tickets. That covers their own salaries for themselves. It benefits them. It does not cover or help the residents of the town that keep on getting tax increases that many complain about at the meetings or all the extra cost to train police and extra services needed because of the tourists. The residents should not have to pay for it all. The BW feels like it is just going to collapse. The town residents can't afford to fix it, deem it unsafe. Close it down. Why should we pay for the BW repairs in the hundreds of thousands. It is for their customers that use it. Talk about extortion.
randi
9:26 am on Saturday, March 31, 2012
Tom: Educate me. How does Point Beach promote tourism ? Does it have a Tourism commission ? A Tourism Budget ? A Director of Tourism ? What efforts does it take to attract costomers ?
Tom
12:21 pm on Saturday, March 31, 2012
randi, You do not know that the Chamber of Commerce promotes tourism.
randi
12:47 pm on Saturday, March 31, 2012
Tom: You said Point Pleasant Beach promotes tourism.
Tom
4:52 pm on Saturday, March 31, 2012
randi, Really? It is the " Point Pleasant Beach Chamber of Commerce" who promote Tourism. One of the same as far as I am concerned. Beers on the Boards brews was recently promoted by the Chamber as well as the Car shows, Jazz Festival, Tree Lighting etc.....
randi
7:50 am on Sunday, April 1, 2012
Tom: The Chamber of Commerce is not part of Point Pleasant Beach municipal government. Again. How does the municipality of Point Pleasant Beach promote tourism? How does it see that the "proper" customers come here. Tree lightings and car cruises are not promoting tourism. They are one day community events geared at bringing regional foot traffic to the downtown area. They are fine events for the town but are not what most would define as tourism.
Cathy Kelly
12:04 am on Saturday, March 31, 2012
George,while I agree with you that PPB has lower property taxes(I lived in Marlboro and my taxes were triple what I pay here) I did have a much bigger piece of property to keep it honest but I do agree that PPB has lower taxes...The problem is that the 5300 year round residents that live here do not see it that way. We have cut our Police Dept(which according to an OUTSIDE INDEPENDENT study)with no allegiances to anyone,says that we should have 24 full time Police for the Dynamics of our town. I believe we are at 21 Full time Police Officers..We have furloughed our town employees (again,never during the summer where the tourists would be affected)instead on the off months where only the taxpaying residents(and the employees)would be affected. I know countless people that visit Atlantic City and they are not going to stop going because of the hotel tax/liquor tax etc... I have been pretty much everywhere and I have paid some kind of tax.Did I like it,NO,but it was a choice I made. Noone is going to stop coming to the Beach because the drink that used to cost them $9.00 suddenly costs them $9.16 cents... If people truly knew the impact that it would have on the average customer they would not have a problem with it......would you? while everyone is debating this,the residents of ppb are footing the bill and witnessing the decline of quality of life..
George Smiths
6:49 am on Saturday, March 31, 2012
Ms. Kelley-----I understand the idea that if tourists cost you money they shoulld pay, but if I understand correctly, tourists do pay through parking and courts. The amount your town collects from these sources( most towns, including mine, don't have) is over 3 million dollars, which is about what your whole police department costs for the entire year. (if my research in your local paper's archives are correct) Isn't that why your taxes are low? Seems your town makes plenty of money from tourists. I'm sure the tourists could pay more and your town could make more and have even lower taxes than the rest of us, but how is that fair?
Tom
12:31 pm on Saturday, March 31, 2012
George, It is fair because... WE are the ones who have to deal with it all. All these post who think they know and have so much to say that does not live here would be changing their mind real quick if they did.
George Smiths
12:37 pm on Saturday, March 31, 2012
Tom---your idea is you should get paid, in the form of even lower taxes, because you have to put up with the people who come to visit the shore in the summer? This seems remarkably selfish, or is it just me?
John
1:47 am on Saturday, March 31, 2012
This 10% he keeps trying to sale is nonsense!! People are so dumb! it isn't 10% of your salary..., heck NJ doesn't even take out 10% of your salary in taxes! It is 10% savings in what is alreadty taken out of your salary..., so if your in the tax braket of 6% or so its 10% savings on that..., I make about 48,000 so after 3 years when this is fully done I will be bringing home an extra 1.59 a week..., I should be able to buy a Mcdouble for that! So, Chris Christie how will this 10% that your trying to sale but, barely giving the facts unless people really look hard for them going to put more money in people pockets? Sorry, but the amnount most middle class and working poor will save is a joke!
NJ resident
1:46 pm on Sunday, April 1, 2012
John - how right you are. People need to take a look at their income tax returns sent to NJ this year. 10% of what we paid would amount to very little. I remember when we had a decent amount given back in the form of a property tax rebate. Under this governor, my "credit" is just 1/3 the amount of the check we got every Nov. This governor is makes it sound like he cares. But, if you really look at his proposals and what he has done, the middle class is not on his list of people he most wants to help....Yet, many fall for his tactics. People hear 10% and think it is really something!
suz
8:16 am on Saturday, March 31, 2012
For those of you who commented that the seniors are the majority, blah blah blah. Well, who do you think "funds" those cities? They shop locally, eat locally, etc. I feel that if it wasn't for the seniors, the small business owners would not survive the way most of you are talking.
my cousin vinny
8:50 am on Saturday, March 31, 2012
Tom,
You sound like someone who should be heavily medicated. Who are you to say Ms. Vuccolo doesn't go to meetings and should look for another job ? Who are you to be critical of Anne Lightburn and Marilyn Burke for standing up for what they believe ? And your guessing that Jeff Dyer gave Ms Burke a ride, are you saying two people from PPB can't attend a meeting in Manchester unless they drive together ? Maybe you and Cathy Kelly could have driven together and asked some of your questions to the governor. And Marilyn Burke is a very educated and successful business woman so when she speaks you should listen. You should be embarrassed that you even post on here. Seek some help please. And if you don't like the activities of our fine tourists then move !!!!
randi
9:09 am on Saturday, March 31, 2012
MCV: Medication is not needed. Need to close down PATCH early. Many late night posters seem to have difficulty focusing on the issues.
Tom
12:42 pm on Saturday, March 31, 2012
My cousin Vinny,, You sound like you need a dose of reality. I go to meetings. I know who attends. Most that post on here do not go to meetings but yet they have so much to say. Which by the way is usually wrong because they get it through someone else that attends scattered meetings that thinks they know. I do not care what Anne Lightburn and Marilyn Burke stands for. If you came to meeting you would know they both flip-flop on issues. Joan should realize she is supporting someone who was very critical of the school she works out. I do not need to go to see another NJ politician who is lying to through their teeth. You move!
my cousin vinny
9:06 am on Saturday, March 31, 2012
Cathy Kelly's comment is the exact reason why PPB is in the state of turmoil today. She was paying triple the taxes she now pays and thinks her taxes here are great. All these people who move here from some other overtaxed area don't get it that the tourists are the reason for our low and stable taxes over the history of this town. The move in close to the boardwalk and then constantly complain about their so called quality of life. Spare us all, pleeaasee !! Go back to Marlboro ! And the town has 4600 year round residents not 5300.
Marlene Blotto
11:17 am on Saturday, March 31, 2012
Cousin Vinny:
I do NOT live NEAR the boardwalk---but I STILL want QUALITY OF LIFE !!!
Cathy Kelly
11:28 am on Saturday, March 31, 2012
my cousin coward,I have lived here for 10 years and have never complained until 2 years ago,when the quality of life started to diminish and the town started slowly going from a family resort town to a party town.And get your facts straight,the census bureau shows 4600 but guess what,some of us never sent the census back. The year round residents are closer to 5300,obviously you do not live in this town or you would have known that. Either that or you are just not to bright....
Tom
12:58 pm on Saturday, March 31, 2012
MCV, You are the one who seems to have real issues. You think the people that live here all year around should tolerate and put up with unruly tourists and if they do not like it move. Just let them rule the town. Obviously you do not live any where near the boardwalk. Some individuals on the West side of the tracks do not care about the boardwalk area. They are not dealing with it, so who cares. Some do not think there is any problems from a distant where they sleep at night. They have an attitude it is their fault for buying over there. DON'T TELL ME IT DID NOT CHANGE! THAT IS A BUNCH OF BULL AND EVERYONE WHO LIVES THERE KNOWS IT. IF THEY DON'T THEY ARE LYING OR OBLIVIOUS OF THEIR SURROUNDINGS. Pleeaasee, WHO ARE YOU TOM? TO TELL OTHERS TO MOVE!
Tom
1:09 pm on Saturday, March 31, 2012
Some of the residents on the West Side would not tolerate any of it. Not for a second. I have an idea. Let's have a bus service in the Library section. Let them park there and have a shuttle take them to the boardwalk and we will shuttle them back at 3 in the morning to pick up their cars. Let's see then how many will turn up in town hall. In that area will call the police on the kids for coloring with chalk in the streets or toilet papering for Halloween. Give us a break for a while.
Marlene Blotto
1:37 pm on Saturday, March 31, 2012
Tom: That one who would call the police on the kids for coloring in the streets and toiletpapering at halloween just moved away.
Joan Vuocolo
9:13 am on Saturday, March 31, 2012
@Tom...People have the right to choose how they wish to vote. After all, I have been informed by your friends that you have called them at election time and urged them to vote NO on the school budget.
Tom
1:14 pm on Saturday, March 31, 2012
Joan.... People do have the right to choose how and who they vote for. But being you work in the school it does not look good for you to come on here supporting the same individual that has a problem supporting the schools that YOU work at. So the next time Marilyn gets up and says all the Administrators, Teachers, employees should not get a raise and their should be a freeze a wages. Please get up then and support that she is a breath of fresh air as you put it. The support seems to change selectively when it involves oneself.
Tom
1:41 pm on Saturday, March 31, 2012
Joan.... You are wrong. Our own Governor is the one who told all New Jerseyans in all the towns to vote NO. Which is wrong. He should have stated go out and vote. But being most do not have a mind of their own and are followers is why most budgets failed that year. But we have schools who tell the kids go home and tell your parents to vote "yes for the school budget. It is comical when you have individuals who work in the school who vote NO on their own budget and salaries.
wheres murrow?
9:54 am on Saturday, March 31, 2012
Home Rule = High Taxes, it is that simple. If you want home rule you have to pay for it.
Mark Wendell
2:01 pm on Saturday, March 31, 2012
@ Tom, I think you are correct here. Christie did say vote no. I for one never understood way anyone who works at a school in any way would stay the party line and hurt themselves and the children to boot. I however don't believe Christie's line about schools telling their children to vote no though. The school district I went to, the school district my kids go to and the school district my wife works at all, 3 different OC school systems, ask the parents to vote but refrains from saying vote yes. The buses even carry Go Vote Today! signs in my hometown but just go vote. This *I think* is the true norm in the state although maybe there was some that did someplace. I do however receive mailings from the PTA and NJEA urging a yes vote but always by mail never by child. Maybe a school system somewhere gave the kids a flier from a 3rd party like the PTA. Do some consider that a for of support from the school? I don't know. Thanks for your comment, have a good one.
Darlene Motto
12:25 am on Sunday, April 1, 2012
@Mark, I feel you are correct and totally agree with your views. I do not know what happens in the higher level in the schools. I do have experience in the elementary level. They do ask the children to go home and remind their parents to vote. Like you said, not how to vote the importance of voting. They try to explain early on how important it is to vote wether for your school or a local or presidential election. As a parent I think it is a good idea, others do not. They feel it is their right to teach their kids when it comes to political issues and their views. Personally, I am not a big fan of Chris Christie, it is not someone that I would want my child to look up to for my own reasons and opinions.
Mark Wendell
8:27 am on Sunday, April 1, 2012
@ Darlene, Thank You, I would guess that at the high school levels since JR's and Seniors are of voting age maybe it's OK PC wise to explain the importance of a yes vote and what can or will happen with a no vote. It would be a great chance to explain civics affecting them directly. Remember since a HS's sports and extracurricular activities are most attacked the kids have allot at stake. I can say at my towns HS they say go vote and that's it. I don't have a problem personally if my kids are asked one way or the other because I try to teach them that you will get hit by outside sources on the TV, in school, whatever and try to have your own minds. As far as parents thinking they should be the ones who teach their own about voting I think it still lets them you are only sending home a reminder to vote. I don't shove anything down my kids throats Religion to politics, just try to guide and if they grow up into something different that is their choice. I don't want little lemmings. I believe Christie's comment on kids being trained to go home and tell their parents to vote yes was just a union attack and nothing else.
Darlene Motto
10:16 am on Sunday, April 1, 2012
@Mark, No Thank You's in order. I agree...I do not have a problem either. I feel at the High School level there is nothing wrong with teaching the kids in the School about the importance and the process of voting and being involved. Being the kids are exposed and already influenced from the outside public, TV, parents etc.... It is good for them to learn the different sides and views of all issues. To guide them to listen to all sides. Keep what they want and throw away what they don't. That is the how they learn to make decision. Unfortunately with all the politics going on to me has been sickening. I know it is nothing new, politics have been around from the beginning of time. It just seems to be getting worse as time goes on. I feel the greed, nastiness, bullying and arrogance has been at an all time high since Chris Christies has become Governor. I am not saying everything he is trying to do or done is wrong it is just the way he handles himself and the way he is doing it. He is not totally being honest or accurate with all his political stance and choices that are affecting public schools, kids and employees. What politician does though? This is just my opinion. Unfortunately I do feel you are right in reference to the kids. They are the ones who loses. Like you said everything winds up being cut from the kids programs such as the sports and extra curricular activities become in jeopardy. I think the parents are realizing it and are stepping it up with fund raising.
Cathy Kelly
11:30 am on Saturday, March 31, 2012
George,yes the town makes money from the tourists,it is not a perk for us that the more people come and break the law,the more money the town makes.
Spooner
12:28 pm on Saturday, March 31, 2012
@my cousin vinny: Kelly got involved with the Barrella recall in 2010, and became a supporter...Like others, she came under the propaganda perpetuated by in part the PBA and other monied interest groups. . .telling parents that a vote against Barrella was a vote for school consolation. . .this propaganda also went on in the Point Boro against Susan Rogers when she ran for Mayor. . . And 'George Smiths'. . . your wasting your time talking facts to her?
Cathy Kelly
1:05 pm on Saturday, March 31, 2012
Spooner,everyone on here should just look up your past comments on articles and it will be self explanatory why you have 0 credibility
George Smiths
12:28 pm on Saturday, March 31, 2012
I agree it is not a perk, and it seems to me the tourists who break the law should pay more. But I think the Governor is correct, ppb should not be allowed to further lower their alreadey low taxes on the backs of those of us who come and visit. I repeat: how is it fair for ppb to tax those with higher taxes to lower their already low taxes?
Cathy Kelly
1:13 pm on Saturday, March 31, 2012
George,I don't know where you live and although PPB has lower taxes,they are not that much lower. And there are people in a lower tax rate town as well as the same tax rate and higher tax rate towns that come here. I don't believe that people should pay it because they can afford to as you stated. I believe that vacation,drinking etc is a luxury not a necessity and if I choose to vacation somewhere and they have a local option tax,it is my choice to go there or not. About our budget,yes we do get revenue from tourists,no it does not fully cover ALL of our municipal services that are needed to accomodate the tourists. Last yr,the summer was so out of control,they made emergency appropriations of $95,000.to cover police costs. This year the residents are again going to foot the bill. If you go on other articles,you will see how people feel about a 12-14% tax increase. So our taxes are not staying lower and we are dealing with the changing clientele that are visiting us. Is that fair?
George Smiths
1:31 pm on Saturday, March 31, 2012
Ms. Kelley---your police chief said the money from parking last year was ahead of the year before---- enough to cover your "Rice Crispies." His words were "just about broke even." All of our taxes are going higher this year, not just ppb's. If you want local option taxes instead of property taxes for all I'm with you, but I still don't see why your taxes should be lower just because you get to live near the beach. It just doesn't seem fair that ppb should get to impose local option taxes on the rest of us and lower your taxes even further just because you live by the beach, while I continue to pay higher and higher taxes and have no opportunity for local option taxes. Does that seem fair to you?
Tom
1:26 pm on Saturday, March 31, 2012
George, The TOWN, makes the money....Not the residents. I would say the majority does not want it all with strings attached. If we have to deal with a bunch of unruly tourists. Most would say we do not want them. I do not have a problem with tourist that is here in town to have a good time... but there is a limit to the good time they want to have being this is always been a family tourist town and what this town has always been accustom to. There is no need to keep bars open that late being it is a family resort town and the reason why this is being considered. You did not have all the problems as now, because the prior owner Orr Jenks did not make it into a party town. I would say most do not want it to become a seaside.
Chief Wahoo
1:28 pm on Saturday, March 31, 2012
imo, Cathy Kelly is one annoying know it all
Cathy Kelly
1:34 pm on Saturday, March 31, 2012
Chief,haha your probably someone on their 4th or 5th alias that has been corrected on all the lies,you come on as one alias,lie get corrected and than sign on as someone new...haha how pathetic Again it must make you feel like a fool that you have to hide when insulting people.
outside looking in
2:10 pm on Saturday, March 31, 2012
I have followed the situation in PPB very closely since I am originally from there. From my perspective as an outsider now this whole issue with the bars and rowdies is not about quality of life but it is about the all mighty buck. Let's face it, the rowdy party people are and always have been there. That isn't going to change unless something drastic takes place, like early bar closings and a major crackdown on the animal houses. For the current council to say they want to close the bars at midnight because of quality of life and then say those same bars can remain open if they give the town money is very disturbing. It means to me that they are willing to put money before the residents well being. They are on the right track if they close everything down at midnight but if they accept the money then they are doing the people who live there a real disservice. That is how I see it.
Marlene Blotto
3:25 pm on Saturday, March 31, 2012
This town has no leadership or direction. Elected perple need to take a stand either close all the bars or leave them as is. You can't say you are a problem but it is ok as long as you pay up. Enforce the laws like they cleaned up places in Virginia and Florida to name a few. This propesed system is a design for failure. I would like to see what the town became if the only bars to pay to stay open late all year were the Elks and the VFW. This time there may be a reason to recall them all.
Tom
4:03 pm on Saturday, March 31, 2012
You are correct and I agree. It is disturbing. You can't have it both ways. If you are concerned with the quality of life...just close the bars at 12. Charging extra money is not going to do anything to change the rowdies, animal houses or change the town. Put the well being of the residents first and close at 12 is the right track.
Thomas Anthony
2:29 pm on Saturday, March 31, 2012
If it acts and sounds like a bully, it is a bully! The Governor's actions and approach to Township meetings are so obviously rehearsed that an innovative idea or public comment could never see the light of day.
Christie said his direct style of governing earns him critics, especially among the news media, who want to "put him on the couch." Typical, blame the media - Governor, you discourage public participation. In my opinion, it's all about the 30 second soundbite, not public policy.
Mark Wendell
3:18 pm on Saturday, March 31, 2012
yes sir well said!
Joan Vuocolo
3:41 pm on Saturday, March 31, 2012
@Tom...You appear to be somewhat confused. I think you need to go back and re-read my previous post where I applauded Marilyn Burke for making Gov. Christie aware of what was happening here in PPB regarding the early bar closings. I don't even know Marilyn Burke and,I certainly don't know how or even if she voted in the school election. Stop trying to put a spin on this! You are beginning to sound a little too much like DM.
Tom
4:25 pm on Saturday, March 31, 2012
Joan, That exactly is my Point. Why would you support someone you do not even know? I do go to meetings. I know what Marilyn Burkes has said on many issues and that is her rights. However the only one who seems confused is Marilyn Burke. She changes her view quicker than I change my boxers.That is what happens when others put you up to something that they are not comprehending or fully understand. Especially when she flip-flops on what she says in the beginning of her line of questions to the end of the explanations that are given to her. It is almost like she is forgetting what or who she is supporting in her line of questioning in mid stream as she speaks. By then she is agreeing with another side. Most can't even follow what she is saying because she changes her views and you never know what side she is going to be on. Sometimes she even turns around to individuals in the audience looking for guidance if she is saying or doing the right thing. You are dead wrong, I do not even know anyone with the initials DM.
Darlene Motto
11:21 pm on Saturday, March 31, 2012
I have to chuckle as I am reading these post. Once again I am being accused of being another alias. I have lost count on how many different alias that I am thus far. It is up to at least a half a dozen if not more "alias" that I have been blamed or falsely accused from different residents through out the town. Joan you and others are fabricated and pointing fingers at the wrong person with your accusations. Let me set the record straight for you and others. I have no reason to go under or hide behind and alias. Let me remind you and others. I have been up front with my own posts and how I feel on issues with in the town through both posts and e-mails. I have many post with my opinions and I never held back on how I feel with issues. Maybe that is the reason some is trying to attack or pin it on me to make me look bad as yourself and some under other "alias" who ever they are? Clearly it becomes a spin or attack if I do not follow and do not agree with or go along with issues that I feel is wrong. Again, I never asked anyone to agree with me, it has always been my opinions. Clearly you do not know me along with others. I am not one to be a coward and hide behind anyone. If I have a problem with something or issues I tackle them head on. I have no problem speaking my mind. Please stop accusing unless you know for sure. I am not Tom and I do not wear boxers. I never called anyone to ask them to vote "NO" in the school budget. False accusation will make anyone look foolish.
Darlene Motto
11:56 pm on Saturday, March 31, 2012
Joan, Just to let you and everyone know. I was patronizing one of our local businesses last night with a friend. I was at Europa last night, enjoying a meal and a pitcher of sangria watching salsa dancing. I felt like I was at "dancing with the stars" It was packed. "Good for them" I was there when "Tom" was posting. No, I do not have an updated fancy phone. Personally I am not big on Tech or the latest fashions. It was late and feeling good by the time I got home. I went straight to bed. You are so wrong along with others. You have seen other posts and I am guessing e-mails from me prior from asking to be removed from the e-mail chain. Did I ever have a problem being straight forward and upfront with my opinions and beliefs in my posts or e-mails in what I believe in or what I have said,seen of felt. I can't help if some agrees with me or is trying to imitate or follow me in any way. Maybe that is by design and they want it to appear that way for what ever bazar reason. I can't figure out all the attitudes, problems, personalities disorders and issues here in the Beach nor do I want to. Residents in this town need to get a grip and stop listening to all the "gossip and false statements that are being spread through out the town. Don't believe everything you hear! Lastly, to let you know. I have always considered my voice as an opinion not a spin. Therefore I would have to say the only ones who are putting a spin on issues are the ones who are accusing others of spinning.
randi
8:22 am on Sunday, April 1, 2012
Denise:
Darlene's post here is why you should consider an early PATCH closing as well. By her own admission, goes out and belts down a jug of Sangria, logs onto PATCH and wobbles on and on and on and on and on!
Darlene Motto
9:14 am on Sunday, April 1, 2012
Randi, I do not know what your problem is. I did not say I belt down a jug of Sangria by myself. I was with friends and you are acting like a moron with the comments you make. Maybe Denise should cancel your posts with all your foolish accusations. What are you jealous? The only one who gobbling is yourself.
Spooner
3:50 pm on Saturday, March 31, 2012
@George Smiths, draw your own conclusions. . . not only has the town gotten more money as you say to pay it's expenses, but it has been increasing the hiring of part time police officers during the summer, known as Specials. Yet during the two years(2009 & 2010) when there were less Specials hired for the summer. . . and more people were changing their summer plans to local spots...like going to the Jersey Shore, because of the economy. . .the town had no trouble reported on the BW in those years. Then when the Mayor didn't lose in his recall. . .and was facing re-election last year. . .the BW businesses wanted Barrella out and supported his opponent. . .All this trouble began to appear from his supporters in District 1, where he lived, and the police. . . which culminated with as you said "Operation Rice Krispies", presented at the July 19, 2011 Council meeting in response. . . and having to do with differing versions of an event that occurred at about 4AM one morning at the BW. Jenkinsons Security who was on the scene provided a conflicting story from the police version. . . who arrived later. . .as to what happened.The police version got acted upon here. . .supported by Mayor Barrella, Councilman Corbally, and from Florida, Councilwoman Tooker. . .both of whom were supporters of Barrella's re-election, and against the BW and their candidate Stephen Reid?
Tom
4:34 pm on Saturday, March 31, 2012
George... Please draw your own conclusions.... Spooner does not live in Point Beach. He or She has a lot to say about Point Beach. Most of what is posted is not accurate or he /she likes to stretch the truth. It is all Politically motivated. This is a very Politically motivated town. There is a lot of Lobbyist here including Stephen Reid being one of them. Stephen Reid ran and loss twice. I guess they are upset that he was not voted in. The only reason he is in now is because Dyer resigned form his council seat early. He was politically place in his seat. He has one year and then the residents will get to decide a third time if they want him representing Point Pleasant Beach.
Joan Vuocolo
5:03 pm on Saturday, March 31, 2012
@Tom...there you go again, you keep trying to put a spin on everything I say. I applauded Marilyn's effort for attempting to make the Gov. aware of what was transpiring in PPB. She, along with everyone else who posts on Patch has the right to their opinions, like it or not. It's called "Freedom of Speech". Let's just agree to disagree.
Tom
5:18 pm on Saturday, March 31, 2012
@Joan.... I am all about or for "Freedom of Speech" and everyone is surely able to agree to disagree. I am not putting a spin on everything. It is my views and like you said "Freedom of Speech" Sorry, I do not applaud or respect anything the Governor has done. We are having problems all over the State of NJ and towns. His decisions and actions have been undesirable to me. He has caused the friction and tension among towns since he has been in office and I do not respect him at all.
Joan Vuocolo
5:47 pm on Saturday, March 31, 2012
@Tom...you seem to have some confusion in you! I suggest that you go back and re-read my posts so that you do not continually put a spin on everything I say.
brick strong
12:22 am on Sunday, April 1, 2012
Gov..Christie come do a town hall meeting in Bricktown Please and bring the F.B.I. and hand cuffs..There is something rotten going on in our town ..
Jim
2:03 am on Sunday, April 1, 2012
I already contacted the NJ comptroller after the last referendum fraud. They will be watching our elections. I wont be happy until Acrapolis is run out of town.
Darlene Motto
7:24 am on Sunday, April 1, 2012
@Jim, Apparently from what I hear from different residents a lot feel the same way about the political driven problems locally that are affecting all the residents with in their town.
Darlene Motto
9:29 am on Sunday, April 1, 2012
Randi, I do not know what your problem is. I did not say I belt down a jug of sangria by myself. Go read my post again. Talk about spinning. I was with friends and you are acting like a moron with the comments you make. Maybe Denise should cancel your posts with your foolish accusations. What are you jealous? The only one who is gobbling is yourself. Again, Do not read my post or respond if you have a problem with my views, opinions. Stop telling Denise and others what to do. She is a big girl. She uses are full name she has a mind of her own. She will decide if she cancels a comment or a post. She will write a warning as she has done before with Leo and Voice of Reasons. She is the professional, NOT YOU! You are starting to sound like a gossiping teenage girl.
Keith Jensen
10:53 pm on Monday, April 2, 2012
The ONLY way to truly reduce your taxes is by repealing the Abbott Ruling: yielding a 33% property tax cut.
This story was qualified and covered by the PATCH.
http://fortlee.patch.com/articles/fort-lee-republican-state-assembly-candidate-pushes-for-fair-school-funding
And here are the facts:
http://schoolfundingexposed.wordpress.com/fair-school-funding-2/
Property Taxed 2 Death
10:25 am on Tuesday, April 3, 2012
I voted for him and still like him, BUT that's fading because Christy has failed to do anything to help average people in NJ
We need property tax reform NOW!
we'll will be lucky to get enough from his income tax cut to buy a value meal at McDonalds once a month, while he and his cronies will save enough each month to pay the mortgage for a nice vacation home
Apparently he's the same as fake phoney fraud Twisty Christy Whitman who gave the same tax cuts to millionaires and also ignored the property tax problem in NJ and left us with more new bonded debt than Florio's entire bonded debt and entire budged combined was when she took office!
Savings for us will be almost enough to by a value mean at McDonalds once a month while they save enough to pay the mortgage on a nice vacation home.
Do NOT be fooled tell Christy you want and need PROPERTY TAX REFORM NOW! along with EDUCATION REFORM both of which will require a shift in taxes from property taxes to a combination of increases starting with eliminating waste, cuts in what we pay for things like overhead road signs that cost the DOT Millions each for, but other states pay only $2500 each for, other easy cuts in all government spending for rent, equipment, supplies and other non salary expensis, income tax increases, a sales tax increase , etc.
Tell Christy to stop touring the country to promote Romney, stop touring the world and stay here and devote that time and more to fixing the PROPERTY TAX MESS in NJ
Chris
11:47 pm on Wednesday, April 11, 2012
I have owned property in wall for 23 years and my kids all go to private school. I have no problem paying for the fine Wall schools, the open acres programs, the bike trails, leaf pickup, etc etc etc, that make my property so valuable. Take a look at property taxes in Bergen, Rockland and Westchester. I do not need some nit wit to tell me to get my facts straight on this one, I have family that live in these counties and they pay twice the tax we do.
CC
10:25 am on Monday, May 28, 2012
I'm still waiting for my taxes to go down since he was voted into office. Bet if I were a millionaire, my taxes would have gone down, but , alas, I am just a poor person trying to make ends meet.