Would it help if everyone with a vehicle in District 4 parked on the street, therefore leaving no room for non residents?

Denise,
Please stay on this story about Seaside parking spots for sale! - very curious to see how that turns out! I appreciate your thorough coverage of these important issues.

I can understand that you are trying to help residents in section 4 get some peace and quite late night or early morning. These ordinances or plans just get more complicated as it goes on. You are going to have all these signs on local roads. You are making residents put their name and address on the tags. Sure I want everyone to know where I live. You are going to have parking restrictions on town roads but not county roads. So any resident that is on a county road is out of luck with the rowdy tourists. Now you are going to have division amongst each other in district 4. Some are going to have peace and others are not. Now you are giving free parking from 11pm to 6am in Silver Lake Parking Lot? Did any of these council members think this through. Why don't you just direct all tourists for free parking in Silver Lake after hours to begin with. A lot less signs or cost for signs. Why bother at all if you are closing bars at 12 unless they know they are just going to rescind this ordinance too. Why do we need to beef up the police if you are closing the bars are 12? Not that I agree with the BW businesses either. This all could have been avoided if they opened they're parking lots up. They new for a few years now that the residents have been complaining and they did nothing to be good neighbors to them. They should have stepped up to help the situation. I am sure they would not tolerate what is going on with the residents in district 4 for themselves where they live.

This is funny

I wouldn't want these problems in my neighborhood. But I don't have them. Know why? Because I chose not to live in a resort town. I don't want to hear a train at night when I'm trying to sleep, and I don't because I chose not to live near train tracks. I don't like airplane noise, but I don't have to deal with that either. Know why? Because I chose not to live near an airport. People, you live in a resort community. Most of these problems existed long before you got here. If this is unacceptable you you now, you can choose to live somewhere else. The moral of the story is don't buy a house next to an amusement park and then complain about the noise of the rides.

So, is it midnite to 6am, or midnite to 8am as stated in the third paragraph.

This going to be an enforcement cluster%$&k

Did Mayor Barella, Councilmembers Corbally, Gordon , and Tooker change the parking plan at the last meeting? According to today's OS they made Silver Lake Parking lot FREE from 11pm to 6am!
What about all the money the parking plan was going to get us when the patrons were pushed into the silver lake lot?????
This whole plan gets more fouled up each day.

What a JOKE!!!!! If our council was a real company, they would have filed for bankruptcy years ago with the way the manage.

Reading this article relaxes me a little and makes it evident that these are all indeed scare tactics to get the money from the BW in the next few weeks. Any council person that would support absolute confusion, losses of revenue and the detriment of the businesses in town would not only not be re-elected, I beleive they would be run out of town by their neighbors. To think we are all taking this so seriously. Shame on them for pulling the wool over the resident's eyes like this.

Even their supporters are thinking: ??????????????????????????????????

Mailman, this article doesn't relax me at all. Why is the Silver Lake lot going to be free after midnight if they're closing the bars at midnight? Who is parking in those lots? Residents of District 4 who have more than 5 cars to deal with? Too many things going on at once just shows me that they have no idea what will work or even what is legal. Layer upon layer upon layer of regulations just in case one layer collapses? Cut out the nonsense Barrella and crew. Repeal the early bar closings. Stop with the parking plan attempts because you can't use the County roads. Take the money from the BW and use it for better policing. Forget about the rowdy tourists destroying quality of life for the residents. That's nothing compared to what Barrella, Tooker, Corbally and Gordon are doing together.

Does the Seaside Heights parking plan have anything to do with the fact that Sheriff Polhemus lives there?

WHAT AN ENFORCEMENT MELEE FOR THE POLICE... THEY SHOULD JUST TICKET EVERY CAR WITHOUT A RESIDENT TAG IN BETWEEN THE PRESCRIBED HOURS AND LET THE LAWYER "MUNICIPAL JUDGE" SORT OUT THOSE PARKING ON COUNTY ROAD PORTIONS.

THAT THE PPBEACH GOVERNING BODY DID NOT GET PRIOR APPROVAL FROM THE FREEHOLDERS FOR COUNTY ROAD SECTIONS OF DISTRICT FOUR IS BEYOND MY COMPREHENSION AND A REAL DEMONSTRATION OF "HOW NOT TO BE AWARE OF PROPER PROCEDURES ON A MUNICIPAL LEVEL!!! SHAME ON THEM. THEY HAVE AN ADMINISTRATOR, BOROUGH ATTORNEY, BOROUGH ENGINEER, POLICE CHIEF, ETC., AND NOT ONE KNEW ABOUT GETTING OCEAN COUNTY APPROVAL FIRST????? UNBELIEVABLE.....
Charlie Bogert

Who the hell is going to park here between those hours now that the bars are closing at midnight anyway? Stop wasting our taxes dollars!!

Have you come up with how much money we will lose now since the most citations were written between 12am - 2am?

Charlie---they are not that dumb---it is not that they did not know---it is that they did not care----did you see the Mayor's comments above---"This raises some serious questions about who is running the county and why they can't allow the parking plan on at least two of the county roads here that run through town, but they can allow Seaside Heights residents to lease spaces on county roads there," Barrella said. "The freeholders have some serious questions that need to be addressed." This arrogant SOB thinks he can threaten the County, like he threatened the BW, into doing things his way. Typical bully---don't agree with me, must be something shady----how about County understands that 250 squeaky neighbors of mine should not be setting County wide policy---County understands majority of registered voters in district 4 do not want this plan. Not shaddy, just common sense. Period.

Hey Bert I agree. I don't live in D4, but you have to wonder why the poeple that live there would vote against a parking plan? It sounds like some are making things up about voting. Unless you have ties to the bw or some other financial interest, I wouldn't think anybody would vote this down if you live in D4. Give the people what they want.

I have no agenda to turn the BW in homes. I did state it was not possible becuase of the DEP. I also did state that it would make this town a nicer and saner place to live and increase the value and ratables of the entire town.

The NJ bloc and their friends at the county only want taxpayers that do not vote East of the tracks

I see no mention about emergency vehicles or utility company people. Are they allowed to park? Or can the emergencies and utility services wait until 6AM to proceed? This question may sound stupid but we are speaking about PPB. We can no longer assume anything. Will the fire trucks and EMT's get tags too? Don't complain about my sarcasm. You brought this one on yourselves.

It seems that this place is strictly being used by people disagreeing with the parking plan, which is fine, but for the life of me I don't understand why anyone would vote against a plan that brings relief to your streets. Is there one person here that lives in D4 that can logically explain that? All I'm seeing is "it's our pain in the neck and we're used to it or" been dealing with them my whole life" - it's like going to the doc for pain meds that will bring relief and saying - no thanks I'll just continue to suffer.
I see that these comments quickly turn to politics, so I ask, is there one D4 resident that can explain the benefit of fighting parking plan that is w/o a political comment?
I know if I lived in 4, I'd be personally helping dpw put up the signs and wouldn't care if the boogeyman created the law.

...the purpose of free parking at Silver Lake(11PM to 6AM) . . .is to give tourists a one hour window to move their vehicles from District 4. . .make residents there who have been complaining happy. . .at the same time mitigate I presume any complaints from the BW businesses that their patrons are being treated unfairly, effecting their business. Will the patrons at Jenkinsons and Martells for one: go there knowing they have to do the car shuffle... and two: if they are at the BW, will they leave and move their vehicles to the lot and go back? My own inclination is that this parking plan will effect their business model. . .hence the lawsuit! As I said...BW businesses have been getting away with their patrons having free parking on residential streets. That parking garage plan that BW alludes too went no where, when the town had to foot the bill. The other problem with the cost...is that it's only used during the summer. . .kind of a waste of resources...unlike Atlantic City where garages are used year around. . .

How many patrons of the BW bars do you think will want to relocate to the free parking
lot at 11pm when the threat of a DUI charge looms in their future?PPBPD will have their ninja bike patrols and overpaid brass at the ready, waiting to pounce. I see multiple DUI stops in their future.

I don't think that the people who support this parking plan have given any consideration to how it affects some of the other residents in District 4. I have a college age daughter. She's under 21, so she doesn't go to the bars. She often has friends visit her in the summer, and they're here past midnight. It's not unusual for her to have more than 5 friends over, either. I know they say that I can borrow passes from my neighbors, but I don't think it's right that I should have to depend on the kindness of my neighbors just so we can have friends visit our home after midnight. For those of you who live in other districts, put yourself in my shoes. Would you like the town to suddenly tell you that you can't have more than 5 cars at your house after midnight? It's an infringement on my rights.

I think it's time to ask the state Attorney General's Office to look into why the other three districts are without enforcement.

DLoades---you should be running for council on the Barrella team, ---this "I don't live in district 4 but I know what is best for them." is classic arrogant Barrella----and the idea that no intelligent human being would disagree is always Barrella’s first defense---you would fit right in with Barrella, Corbally, Tooker and Gordon. Care to comment on why over 700 of the registered voters in my district did not vote for the parking plan while a mere 250 did vote for the plan?

DroppenLoads---I have a question. Mr. Corbally and Ms. Kelly have been running from this question since it was first posted, maybe you could help us out: Why did Barrella Corbally etc hide the State and County objections to the parking and bar closing ordinances or do you believe they just did not know that the County and State would object until now?

Droppen Loads: have to agree with you about the politicalization of/in District 4. Nobody here is coming fort with evidence from Board of Elections as to how many registered voters there are in District 4. According to Board of Elections results from last years parking referendum as reported here in the 'patch'. . .the total town vote was 1523(795 opposed to 723 in favor) I've read posts here claiming that in District 4, 245 voted for parking plan and about 200 opposed it. Yet no one puts up the ED break down sheets from Board of Elections. . . and the total number of registered voters. Also another thing that could weigh with prejudice, is that a number on Council live that District?

Spooner---the numbers from 2011 are 1049 registered voters in District 4, 498 voted ----243 voted yes for parking plan, 196 voted no (only 439 voted on parking plan question, 59 only voted for elective office, not on parking plan)---so 610 people did not vote on the Parking Plan ---- Now 243 voted yes and 610 + 196= 806 did not vote for parking plan----I’m disappointed you will not take my word for it----it’s the truth---comes from numbers provided by Board of Elections----I can't find their transmittal, just my spreadsheet

Been Here...the reason for the District 4 verification, is that most of what others like you, etc, and myself have bought up. . .is legal documentation going t be used in Court against the town in the lawsuit. . .showing as I said...and now what you've confirmed. . .the willful disregard by certain Council members of town voters against the parking referendum(795-728)...coupled with their own prejudice(they live and make a living there). . .and the slap in the face to the 610 residents from District 4 who did not express their want or need for changes to street parking...along with 44% of the voters there...who strongly opposed it? Unfortunately Mr Corbally is not the one paying the legal bill to defend his actions in the Council's 3-3 tie vote. . .

Many older voters were duped by the "NJ ave" scare tactics slick brochure that were mailed out. Then they had St peters politicing from the pulpit.

I still would like some press coverage about the St. Peters telling voters to vote against the parking referendum. It would not have affected their services becuase their own lot could handle the early mass. We all know that the parking ordinance was subject to GB hearing abd you know that exceptions would been given for the church.

Fortunately when the dust settled and the fog clears, bars will be open til 2, parking in d4 will be open to everyone and the BW will be helping to pay for the zero tolerance police enforcement that is the real solution to the problem. Sorry BW haters.

Ms. Kelly---thank you so much for asking---You may not know this, but Mr. Mulshine grew up in town---hated bennies from the time he was a kid---most of us did and do—and I agree with both newspapers that if you believe there really is a problem and you believe closing the bars will help, well, then, you close the bars with no pay to stay open nonsense---but I have never thought there was a problem—see the numbers above (only registered voters bert—meaning they did not care enough to vote---meaning they did not think there was anything out of the usual)---and if I did think there was a problem I would have taken the money as a donation----I don’t think closing the bars will be effective---I think enforcement has a long track record of success

beenhere,C.mon,are you trying to say that the whole time you have been posting what you have it is because you didn't think there was a problem? The fact that there ia a problem has been acknowledged by EVERYONE involved including the BW,residents,Council and Police. It was never a question of there being a problem,it was ALWAYS a questions of how to fix it. But now your response is Paul Mulshine hates Bennys and you are just now realizing there is a problem...Really?

Better Living, I can only guess that you don't live in District 4. Yes, sometimes, our friends park their cars in front of our neighbors' houses. Sometimes, our neighbors park their cars in front of our houses. It's not like Seaside, here. We don't own spaces in front of our homes. The streets are opened to everyone to park wherever they can find a space, and in the summer, there are a lot of people trying to park on the streets. Sometimes, my neighbors will call me and say "Listen, we're about to move our car. Would you like our space?" Our guests arrive before midnight but with this new parking system, will have to have a permit to park on the streets after midnight. Usually, the streets have plenty of space after midnight, and if someone has had to park a car far away from our house, they'll move it closer.

Hi everyone! I see that a bunch of you are talking about that vote on the parking plan last November. I was told that the ballot question was just supposed to be used as a poll, to help the Council get an idea about how people felt. Also, the question asked about a townwide parking plan, not just a parking plan in District 4 (and maybe District 3 if it gets expanded). I don't really understand how people can now argue that the residents who voted "yes" in District 4 wanted this plan. There weren't any details about 5 passes or 1 pass or any of that on the question. Plus, the question was for a townwide parking plan, not a District 4 parking plan. I'm not saying that the same people wouldn't have voted "yes," it's just that I think it's wrong to keep on using the numbers to justify this plan. The question was for a townwide plan and it didn't include some of these details. Personally, I don't like the idea of splitting up the town like this. Although I voted "no" for the question, it made sense to me that if they were going to put in a plan, it would be townwide.

Maryjane S...here's just one example of the parking plan referendum chicanery that was going on. . .and you thought it was all about the town...

http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=236532329740932

...and here's another. . .notice the two names in favor of putting the referendum on the November ballot at the end of the article. . .they both live on Parkway(District 4 country)

http://pointpleasant.patch.com/articles/point-beach-residents-to-vote-on-proposed-parking-plan

Spooner, thanks so much for posting those links. All I can say is...wow! I'm not on Facebook very much, really just to communicate with my daughter. I'm surprised to see that there was a group that was on Facebook like that, selling the parking plan on a district-by-district basis. I just don't think that's right, unless it's discussed openly at a Council meeting. Did those people go to a Council meeting and invite people to join this group? They say they're not anti-business, but the businesses sure seem to think that this decision is anti-business. I really don't like any of this secret stuff. We're a small town. Everyone should have the opportunity to be included in these types of discussions and decisions. Thanks again for the information.

Happy- appearing at Uncle Vinnie's tonight...We retort, you decide!

Mike...nice of you to join. . .how's that group doing. . .what was their name... oh yeah : "Residents First" . . .you know the group that was going to let the town decide on the parking plan... and whether they wanted it or not?. . .You do remember them. . .and how they were talking all about this democracy and you's public servants doing the will of the people. . .So where did you go wrong!

I blame this all on the Mayor and Council not allowing the Bon Jovi beach concert years ago! Since then, the relationship between town/board has been awful! This newer council is trying to improve quality of life issues and wants the root of the problems (i.e. the boardwalk businesses) to pay the tab for the extra police. Residents want more police. They may not want to hire new town officers or public works (cause in the past they complain about that) but in the summer they want extra enforcement. And yeah, the tourism and crowds are one thing. But it's been a bad crowd the past few years. I hate to say it, but we really do get a "Jersey Shore" wannabe crowd here these days, and they have proven to be nothing but trouble. The punk crowd hanging in front of Frank's Arcade in the late 80's/early 90's was harmless compared to what we see now. And forget about the weekends....although mostly an Indian population here to enjoy the boardwalk, we also get the 20 to 30 something trouble makers that give the entire area a bad name!

The Mayor and council of Point Pleasant Beach are going to tax, and ordinance this town out of business. While yes, I agree if you pay huge sums to live on the boardwalk in Point Pleasant, Jenkinsons was here long before most current homeowners. I believe they have been here about 60 years now, maybe more. But forcing the Storinos to restrict their business is going to lower their revenue and the revenue of the town. The tourists will get sick of getting taken for every dollar the town get get out of them, and they will start going elsewhere. Once that happens the area will tank, as will property values. Then your taxes will go up further and services cut further. Want another Asbury Park or Keansburg on your hands?? Those towns are shining examples of what happens when tourism goes away.
There are other options. Jenkinsons offered the town 800K to keep bar opening at 2. Use that money to bring on more police, and striclty enforce ordinance like drinking and urinating in public. Make the non commercial area od the boardwalk a quiet zone after midnight and write tickets to violators..

I hate to sound like a broken record, but Lifetime Resident, you must read the Mulshine article from May 16 Star Ledger-there are links to it now all over this blog section of Patch. If the "boardwalk will close/the sky is falling" mantra actually does happen, you will not get Keansburg, you will get Belmar. Increased tax revenue AND property value, plus a quality of life that the people deserve. I'm not saying it will come to this, but who would argue the benefits of this scenario?? The nostalgia arguement of the boardwalk is no longer a quaint notion, of a quiet seaside resort.
The days of families with strollers (and I was one of them), has now become brigands with beers. We can't change that, but we need to try to control it.

I've read the APP and the Ledger links, like Mr. Happy suggested. I have to say, though, that I'm more concerned about that Facebook link, because it talks about a group of residents that was formed in District 4 to support Mayor Barrella and the parking plan. Didn't Mayor Barrella say last year that he wasn't taking a position on the parking plan? Sorry...I got sidetracked. I just don't like the secrecy of it. I never heard about that group, which means that they weren't interested in hearing from me, even though I live in District 4. As for the APP & Star Ledger articles, everyone's entitled to their own opinion. I generally don't read the Star Ledger. I prefer the Ocean Star. I think the Ocean Star has a better idea of what's going on because they're always here.

Mr. Happy. If we can't change it and we need to try and control it, why isn't taking the money and increasing cops the right thing to do? Why isn't the right thing to do to elect those who can work with the BW to get donations to control it rather than electing those who want to fight with the BW to try and force the BW to pay when the state says that's illegal?

Maryjane-
Here is a copy of my post to Spooner, in which he never replied:
3:53 pm on Sunday, May 20, 2012
@ Spooner
Again, most of the people w thumbs down are tourists who could care less about us....they want to come to PPB, spend a few bucks, and be disrespectful to property, ordinances..etc
Spooner, how many APP customers (100-200,00) VS residents of PPB?
Heck, if I didn't live here, I came and drank at the BW until 2:00, and now they're telling me I have to leave at 12 mid, I would be pissed too!
....would you expect anything less than thumbs down?
I'm sure you would find the same attitude about the parking plan comments and in the APP blogs...not to mention the Ledger!
Just food for thought...

Mr. Happy, I believe you may have missed my point. It appears, based on the DCA letter, that there cannot be "an actual plan" or a "real and legitimate program" because to do so is illegal, so the only thing that can be done is donations outside any formal agreement. Isn't it the GB who is stalling by insisting on an agreement DCA says is illegal, or did I mis-read the DCA letter?

The DCA letter referred to the ordinance that had the stipulations about charging a dollar fee tied to occupancy, etc., You read the DCA letter correctly,yes- and that ordinance will probably die on it's own volition.
The negotiations with the BW that are happening now(I guess they are) will be deemed a donation, much like a fire truck, (I thought I has gone over this material?), anyway, no laws will be violated. And of course, some sort of formal agreement or otherwise will have to be in place. I mean, really now, would anyone take the BW at their word after what we have seen so far?

Maryjane- 'Happy' doesn't like truth. The truth of the matter is in the BW attorney's letter dated May 9...which said that they would offer the money($800,000) with no strings attached, or go along with the amended bar closing ordinance(2012-16). . . but the split Council changed the game plan...They would only accept the money if the BW withdrew their law suit. . .

...you see: Barrella, Corbally & Tooker, not only live and do business in District 4, but are also beholding to that cabal that calls themselves "Residents First" . . .That's why they just can't take the money . . because they'll still have to answer to the Parkway gang. . .if they do nothing about the parking?

http://pointpleasant.patch.com/articles/gas-letter#pdf-9896250

Mr. Happy, Doesn't DCA letter say any formal agreement whereby bars pay for extra police is against the law? That is the way I read it. That is also what Governor Christie said in Manchester. So if DCA says there can be no formal agreement for bars to pay police aren't our only choices close the bars at 12 or rely on the BW donations? Put another way they are not donations if they are compelled by a formal agreement, right?

This is typical Barrella. First he says PPB could not take the money, there were strings attached. When the BW offers 800k with no strings attached, he insists, for the first time, the BW drop the lawsuit against the parking plan (which Barrella says they can't win and which he said was separate from the negotiations on the bar closings). Then just for good measure Barrella adds that the BW must sign some kind of formal agreement, even though DCA says such an agreement is illegal. And then Barrella tries to blame the BW for the fact that no deal is getting done! Outside of Mr. Happy, Better Living, and Cathy Kelly is anybody buying this?

Well, if that's the case, it all becomes elementary anyway. IF, any financial attachment is deemed illegal, what really would make sense at that point would be to close the bars ar 12AM (already done), rescind the second "fee" ordinance, drop the parking plan as no longer needed-the streets will be cleared at 12 anyway.
And all the lawsuits go away. It's the cleanest way to solve this. Do we all agree?
Good, I thought so. Let's just do it!

..that's is, I agree with Mike Corbally and Mr. Happy.

I don’t agree. I think the GB should drop the ordinances and take the donations. Bar closing won’t work, enforcement is the only tactic with a proven track record.

Hey Mike Corbally- If it is the real Mike Corbally (and I pray it is), forget all the extraneous rhetoric about what you should have done, what you should have foreseen, etc. The bottom line is, the only thing that makes sense now is to close the bars at 12AM. It's already been done. Drop everything else. In a few years when PPB is out of the national news and a thriving town again, no one will care if there was a parking plan that the BW fought, an ordinance that the BW fought, what will be remembered is that a few stood up for many in the face of overwhelming odds....and did the right thing. Like Giuliani cleaning Times Square, this will serve as a model for seemingly overmatched government putting the people first. Godspeed.

ends do not justify means---especially if those means lead to lawsuit which prevents PPB from closing bars early---when you could have avoided all of this

...in their May 9th letter...the BW made no concession to the 12AM closing...they'll challenge. It is also my understanding the ABC bar closing will apply to all retailers. . .that will multiply legal costs if other retailers join in? From what I've been told: the tourist(people) have already started hitting the BW in droves. . .

PS...wouldn't be real interesting. . .if the state joins in and files an action or an amicus curiae brief?

Been here before, Mr Happy, & Mike Corbally - what about all that money the town will kind of forfeit. . .you know the 800K! Dumb. . .don't you think...if the problem doesn't go away. . .

The mayor testified on the bill 1914…He starts at the 25 minute mark. You can hear the testimony by going to the following link at click on the may 17, 1:00 session. At the end of the tape around the 55 min.mark. It looks like the bill passes exempting the bar,police and garbage fees for ppb. So I think that means that it is legal to do what the council is trying to do. There has been so much talk about it so I figured I would post it..

http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/media/archive_audio2.asp?KEY=SBA&SESSION=2012

OK -Get Fact Right, a.k.a. Spooner- yeah Spooner I know it's you...and you're now thinking, this Mr. Happy is good-he's real good. YES he is.
Anyway Spooner/Get Fact, I did check out your link. I'll be brief, with just 2 points:
"PPB isn't having any money problems." And this gem: "The drinks are flowing and the tips are rolling in between midnight and 1:30."
If this is the best you have Spooner/Fact, thanks for helping me. I urge everyone to access the link that Spooner just posted. Once again, we report, you decide.

How much does 94.3 get in advertising from the liquor lobby? Much more than the taxpayers of PPB give them. Follow the trail!

The lid that is usually blown off, is coming off in pieces.
94.3/liquor lobby funding.
Ocean Star/Bwalk funding.
It's the same old story, follow the money.
But now, the people are aware, the truth that was seeping out is now pouring out!
There is no defense against a tsunami!
The good, hard working, residents of this town applaud the truth FINALLY being told!
I speak for so many, and we thank you.

It's clear to me that it's all about the money, always is. These ordinances kept getting stalled. Why? To allow negotiations to happen. Negotiations for what? For more money from the Boardwalk bars. And, those ordinances could not have been stalled without a vote from one of the members of the Barrella bloc. Barrella had no trouble with all of the drinking that took place in these bars back in 2008, when he was hoping to get a local option tax on the drinks sold in PPB. I guess he's given up on those local option taxes, huh?

Ms. Kelly you stated "it looks like" there was action taken by the legislature that allows the Council to do what the Mayor wants in enacting the illegal bar closing ordinances. That is not true. Be nice if you got your facts right just once. Here folks is a link that provides the truth. You have to put in bill number 1914 and click on that number. http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/bills/BillsByNumber.asp

As the link demonstrates the bill has not even been put on the agenda for a vote by the legislature, let alone approved. And the referenced law would do nothing about any of the legal problems with the ordinance. The bill only deals with what monies are included in the 2% cap and which monies are not.----Compare the two websites and decide what the facts are

There isn't many people in Point Beach who would believe anything Ray Cervino has to say. He had to be close to one of the most dishonest council member in Point Beach history thus far. Mr. Knapp God rest his soul... made that very clear at one of the last council meetings. That Mr. Cervino lied to him and the people in Point Beach during his campaign spiel. He went against everything he said he would do, He decided to change his mind once he got into office. He just should have put his promises on toilet paper, so we can flush it down all our toilet bowls. His word was worth nothing and he has know character is how I see it.

Spooner- When I said "the beach isn't having any money problems" I was quoting directly from the 94.3 link you sent out. Those were the words of your own Messiah from that editorial. HE said the beach isn't having any money problems. That's how much he knows about PPB. Now you blaspheme your own messenger with the truth. Excellent! It's only a matter of time before the BW comes a knockin' and asks, in fact begs you to stop fronting their cause. The more you write for them, the worse they look. Please, though, keep up the good work. In a convoluted way, you are actually doing a good job for the mayor and council.

Happy: the BW's taxes about $783K. . .sometimes don't know when to leave well enough alone. . .Barrella is OFF by a few cents. . .or is that his rocker? But listen enjoy the music by Matt Ryan there at 94.3 The Point. . .Preferred WAMU, until they shut them off for that creep in NY. . .

So, if we close the bars at 12, we will not need all the extra police... No cost in training all these specials, uniforms etc... Heck we might even be able to get rid of a few regular police.. that should make up the difference in BW taxes... Point Beach might even have some extra money for their budget so the tax payers do not have to be hit with the large increase as we did this year.

Mr. Happy---you do like to make it up as you go along, don't you? A little too much juice, maybe? Anyway, you say "They are now being asked to do the right thing and pay for those services that pertain solely to their enterprise. Do you now get it?" Well they are not being asked, they are being told. And they being told by Barrella Tooker Gordon and Corbally that the municipal government can force them to pay. But they are being told by the state government that Barrella Tooker Gordon and Corbally can’t make them pay.

And despite all that they still offered 800K no strings attached, and Barrella Gordon Tooker and Corbally did not even bring the offer to a vote, instead they just closed thebars at 12:00. So now we get bars closed---which won't end drinking and drunks---it will just move them up two hours. I understand that if we could close the bars and be Sea Girt that would be great, but that is not going to happen anytime soon, is it? Should they get back in there and get a deal done?

Why does Mr. Happy get the strange feeling that he is responding to the same person using many aliases? I guess when one blogger gets discredited (Clueless as an example), he just morphs into a new one. But heck, we'll proceed anyway.
Paragraph one: you write that the council is being told by state government that the town can't make the BW pay.
Paragraph two: You write They should get back in there and get a deal done.
Soooooooooo, If the state says no deal, why would they work on a deal?
See "Keeping Happy Honest" - I don't need to make up anything.
I simply point out the inconsistencies. Your post was obviously a simple one to dissect. I hope your next post, under yet another new name, is more challenging.
Work on it!

Happy has a short memory. Remember donations? You endorsed the idea not so long ago- Can’t have written agreement but could take donations so vote to accept the money and vote down the bar closings and see if the check arrived. If not-----re introduce the ordinance-----be done no later than second meeting in June---if check great for everybody---if no check right where you are now. We do not need the written agreement DCA says is illegal----this nonsense about have to have a written agreement sounds like lawyer talk making lawyer work

On one story you call me Mr. Gelson and on another you refer to me as councilman.
We all know you have been schooled by me, get over it.
Denise D has chastised me for guessing an identity in the past.
Ms. DiStephan are you reading this??

While I truly do not like that people do not use real names, I have to insist that people stop trying to guess the real names of those using unreal names and stop addressing them with real names. It might not be that person! I just deleted some of those comments. Also, if we can tone down the nastiness and bickering, that would be really super. That's not a good way to be persuasive. Thanks bunches.

Well everyone, now that Denise D. has sanctioned the offending parties, maybe it's time we all take a break and relax...yes, it's time for the crowd favorite, Mr. Happy Poll! Put on your thinking caps kiddies, here we go.
There has been a lot of dumb things posted here recently-maybe one of you thinks Mr. Happy has even posted one or two: So, the poll question is, what is the dumbest thing posted here in the last week?
1. This poll (something for the humorless haters)
2. A blogger who struggles with english, using latin terms like fait accompli and amicus curiae
3. A blogger that said he didn't mind people urinating outside his bedroom window every night. Then thanked the Storinos.
4. A blogger that said the thriving BW business creates revenue for the town. From court costs of those arrested.
OK, time to vote. Also, lest you think Mr. Happy made these up, they are in fact exerpts from actual postings here on Patch. Kinda like fact stranger than fiction.
Please vote only once, even those with multiple aliases. Standard text rates apply.

Happy- still haven't answered the question...what Glenn Beck book did you read?. . . Remember your gaff..." Do you read, knave? I mean books, knave books...Broaden your horizons knave, then maybe we can raise the bar and have a sensible debate."
Still waiting. . .

...Oooooooo a fait accompli and amicus curie. . .well try reading some more knave books. . .or better yet contact vbarrella@pointbeach.org. . .maybe he won't charge you. . .It's called the school of rhetoric. I guess with all that genius you never were educated under the old style John Witherspoon Princeton schooling? Maybe you should get a copy of Blacks Law Dictionary for starters and read the writings of Sir William Blackstone. . . now take a easy. . .don't over it. . .

...and Glenn Beck. . .Please! Now that's a knave. . .and his revisionist writings of our Founding Fathers. . . boy does he say a mouth full of bull. . .But we're getting off track here. . .or is that your objective?

Hi Spooner- usually I do a 2 for 1, but it's late, so I'll do a 3 for 1 just for you:
#1- It might be a good idea to hit the decaf at night. You seem like you're wound tighter than a cheap timex. You're all over the place with that post.
#2-I think amicus curie was married to Marie Curie, the lady that won a couple of Nobels. Perhaps you meant amicus curiae? Now that's something completely different.
#3- You're leading in the poll-keep your fingers crossed!

Mr.Happy,notice how everyone(on this article and the others) are using your new word,knave...haha,,,I would bet anything that none of them have ever heard that word in their life but you have educated them haha

Perhaps folks will just bypass PPB......

Does anyone besides me find it funny that the only one agreeing with Mr Happy is Cathy Kelly and her mystery phone callers and emailers.

Happy if you could answer this simple question it would shine some light on your position. If the boardwalk went away and we turned into Sea Girt, what would you want done with all the employees without the 3.2 million in revenue coming in. And Cathy Kelly, how do you feel about our four wonderful council members giving free parking to the tourists from 11pm-6am in the silver lake lot.

Clueless- based on your 7:06 post from the other story, I can't take you seriously and due to my popularity and the demand for my attention, I will now have to cherry pick what I respond to. Only the serious and semi-serious poster will now get my attention. Sorry, I can't accomodate y'all.
Now if you will excuse, I need to get ready for the Repub. Golf outing. Yep, Mr. Happy will be there. Just for the golf.......of course. My tee time is...????????

It is clear that the D4 election results show that the majority there were for the parking plan. A voter turnout of around 40% in a non PRES,GOV, and SENATE year is huge and speaks volumes about how the electorate opined regarding this issue.

The BW has drastically increased the volume of its late night patrons. The increase and change of use of thses operation has never addressed the requisite parking that is associated. I would thinlk that was due to lax oversight, graft, and favoritism.

Most of the physical expansion and increased utilzation occured during the 80"s and 90's. The bar capacities of those two BW bar is 4-500 % of what is used to be. Who was in charge then? Was it the well heeled and connected that receive contracts, government jobs for them and their famililies and friends ???

The situation in D4 has drastically changed since the 70's when it was a good profitable business. The D$ residents have had enough! Many living there year round back to the 30's-50's So please do not continue with your tired old phrase of you new when you were buying rap!
Even the business owwner recognize the problems. A big problem is that that want the clubbers $$$ ka-ching but not the liabilty of parking them.

blindbert : 23% of voters in District 4 voted for parking plan. . .far-far from a mandate. . .the town defeated the referendum. Those two facts, along with a lot of others will be used against the town in the parking ordinance lawsuit. . .Admittedly there are issues which I raised about BW patrons having free parking in District 4. There was an attempt to build parking garage. . .but who was going to pay for a garage where revenue is derived for around three months a year?

Something could be worked out other than moving vehicles to Silver Lake. You could meter all parking in District 4, with permits for residents, or do some kind of demographic mapping on a sliding scale as to what each parking space is valued at, depending on it's location from BW bars. Then come up with a overall space lease dollar figure that BW businesses would agree to pay for the town to accommodate their patrons?

Mr Happy - that's weird the Republicans are having a golf outing on the same day of the education foundation golf outing.

It seems Happy and Bert are very close with their thoughts and posting. Maybe the both had a late tee time for the outing! !

Tee time is coming up?

That was real nice what some DB did do Dave Cavagnaro's lawn.

"Starting the parking plan involved ordering 250 signs and 200 poles for $6,075 and 8000 placards were ordered at a cost of $770, bringing the total cost to $6,845, according to an email from Point Beach Business Administrator Chris Riehl."

This will, of course, be charged to The Chosen Ones in D4 and not the orphaned districts, right?

We were at a party in Long Island last Saturday, and I mentioned to someone that we lived at the Jersey Shore but didn't mention PPB. He asked me if I lived near the town that was trying to close the clubs at 12AM and how ridiculous that it was. I told him that not only did I live in the town but was right in the middle of "ground zero". Right or wrong, this entire issue is an embarrassment for the borough.

I wonder what happened to Mr Happy and Blindbert since the golf outing yesterday. Interesting they have not been heard from, they are probably at the 19th hole carrying on a conversation with each other in the 3rd person. Or maybe it will now be blind Happy and Mr. Bert. Haha Just sayin

Finally! A name I can work with, Seinfeld. It may have taken you a few tries to hit on a good name, but I'm glad you finally did. You know my rules Seinfeld. Due to my popularity here, I can now only respond to serious or semi serious posts. But I do love Seinfeld (the show) so I'll give you this one response now. So, to paraphrase the words of Gunny Hartmann : You are definitely born again hard. Hell, I may even let you post on my beloved Patch. But I'm watching you. (Just until you morph again-and please be original and do not use Gunny Hartmann as your title).

Hey Happy - how did you play yesterday ? Did you and Blindbert shoot the same score? Hey I thought you would be up at Jenks for the summer kickoff. Come on up we are all here. It's a great time to spend your morning.

As ace Ventura said in pet detective. finkel is einhorn, einhorn is finkel

Anyone see the signs? They started placing them yesterday. They actually look pretty good, small enough to blend in, big enough to be seen. Great job on the ordanance and the signs!! Have a nice weekend all here at ground Beer-O, I am off to the peace and quiet of beautiful upstate NY, where I am the Bennie--
See you on Tuesday.

BW owners charging $20 to park this morning and the lots are full...
And people are worried about them losing revenue?

Hey everyone, Mr. Happy is ...in.......da.....house! For those of you keeping score at home the number is 7. That's how many guesses there have been as to my identity. We have had teacher, lawyer (most popular one), professor, Hilton employee, councilman, John Gelson and now BlindBert (Shoutout to the blindman!....gee, hope he's not blind). This is a new Patch record that is sure to grow as the legend grows. There hasn't been this much attention to a secret identity since Batman. Now down to business. Full Timer writes that the 12AM closing won't happen and that the ABC will stay the ordinance.
Fact #1- The ordinance has already passed.
Fact #2- The ABC can't change fact #1.
As the commercial says--that was easy!
In conclusion, I will implore all the knaves in the Kingdom of Mr. Happy to continue the quest for his identity. It humbles him, it inspires him and most importantly it amuses him. Godspeed!

I heard a rumor today that a deal has been struck and the whiners will be VERY disappointed if this is the case.

Happy Gilmore and I had a good time on the links!

OK Full Timer, first point taken.
But on the second, more clarification is needed. In your first post you say the ABC will stay the ordinance and in the second response you say the courts. I don't have the knowledge of a judge, but I do know that the ABC is not a judicial body, they are regulatory and have no juristiction; in fact, they make it clear that local governing bodies set bar closing hours. The courts won't hear it either for the same reason.
What I suspect happened, was your friend the judge was referring to the "fee" ordinance. That CAN be challenged, but with the 12AM ordinance, it becomes moot and the cost of litigation dissolves with it. Now, that WASN'T easy, but hope I helped.

Hi Spooner- I will not post under another name. You and I are just about the only ones here without aliases. And spiel is not a latin word!

Happy- here's the law on bar closings...
abbreviated NJ Statutes...

33:1-40. Municipal regulation of number of retail licenses, hours of sale, etc.
...The governing board or body of each municipality may, as regards said municipality, by ordinance or resolution, limit the hours between which the sale of alcoholic beverages at retail may be made...and, subject to the approval of the commissioner first obtained, regulate the conduct of any business licensed to sell alcoholic beverages at retail...

33:1-41. Appeal from limitation of number of retail licenses or hours of sale
If any person affected or who might be affected by any limitation of the number of licenses or of the hours between which sales of alcoholic beverages at retail may be made shall consider himself aggrieved thereby, he may appeal to the commissioner in respect thereto and thereupon the commissioner, after public hearing, may set aside, vacate and repeal the limitation complained of or change, alter, amend or otherwise modify the same.

Full Timer- I'm with you in that I think these delays are in effect, allowing time for something to be worked out. Hopefully some common ground will be found. I mentioned this thought in an earlier post. No one wants a messy legal battle, I am sure. We could argue here all day long, but in the end it is out of our hands.
A Happy Memorial Day weekend to all.

No one wants alegal battle except the @#$#@# lawyers!

my husband commutes on the train to nyc 7 days a week... now he has to pay $20+ every friday, saturday and sunday at the train station because there is no more free parking in the street.... yes it's only from memorial day to labor day, but it's still an added expense now. We cannot get a placard because we are not residents... Does anyone know any free parking near the train station? or if there is a way to obtain a parking placard for out-of-town commuters? thanks!

will he be able to park overnight? he works nights... thank you

Tammy, you might want to see this link which says there is a commuter parking pass.
http://www.pointpleasantbeach.org/news.php?action=fullnews&id=425
Beach_N8iV: thanks for being helpful to another Patch reader. How nice, for a change, to see people being nice to each other.

My wife received a 'district 4' ticket and it's a mandatory court appearance required. What is that about? You can't pay it online, can't mail it in. Now I have to take off of work in September and go to court for a parking ticket? That's ridiculous at best. Let me pay the fine and forget about it.

You have got to be kidding first Mike Corbally forgets to show anyone the county letter about not agreeing with the parking plan.Then he forgets to look into the details of the plan and approves it with a mandatory court appearance. That is pathetic.

Mayor Barrella you are a law professor how could you let the mandatory court appearance be written into law . Do you have any idea of the burden you have just placed on the people who received tickets let alone the court . Does anyone know what law school Mayor Barrella teaches at.

I received a ticket (in the mail, not even legible) and had to call just to inquire about what the ticket was for and when the court date is. The sides of the ticket looked burnt off and it was all crumpled up. Then I offered to pay the fine over the phone because "court appearance required" is NOT checked off and the woman on the phone told me that the officer made a mistake and that I must come in. Also, her explanation for not being able to read the ticket was that "his pen may not have been working correctly." My license plate on the ticket is written in half pen, half whatever the officer used to write the original ticket because they realized how impossible it was to read. Pathetic.

PACE university

Quite easy to understand the reasoning. Our Mayor and some council members would like to discourage those who get cited for the parking violation, not only by ticketing them, but by also forcing them to take time off from work, and spend additional money on tolls and gas to pay the fine, in hopes that they will never return to Point Pleasant Beach again. I don't buy or believe any other excuses they may be trying to sell.

Sorry to go off topic here but I was away for a few days...
Question, on July 4th I had noticed a GOOD amount of people in town/beach walking around with there pants hanging down past there hips with there underwear showing and was wondering if there is a way the town can put a ordinance in place for indecent exposure?
Other states have put this saggy pants into law...

Spooner-you know you aren't allowed to use latin here, esp. when you write "quell all suspensions" in the same post. If you are trying to confuse us in 2 languages---you are seceding.

Hi Mr. H. I read Mike's answer in regard to the "glitch" and don't believe it and here is my reasoning, sir. What type of glitch would prevent someone from mailing in a check with the fine instead of handing a check in person? I could see a "glitch" in paying by internet as that could require a table update. I've spoken to a couple other folks who agree with me including a former top Hudson County Law Enforcement Officer who now resides in Jackson, frequents Point Pleasant Beach eateries, and now consults for the NJDMV. As always, thanks for your courteous response.