Fishing Boats, Marina Fight Point Beach Parking Plan
Lawsuit follows one filed by boardwalk businesses against District 4 parking plan
The new District 4 Parking plan is unlawful because it reduces public access to the ocean and Manasquan River and discriminates between Point Beach residents and others, according to a lawsuit filed by several charter fishing boats, a marina and several Point Beach residents.
Because the plan allows only residents and local taxpayers to park in District 4's metered spots between midnight and 6 a.m., it violates the Public Trust Doctrine, an underpinning of beach access laws that says members of the public should all have equal access to the waterways and beaches, regardless of where they live, according to a lawsuit filed by John J. Jackson III, an attorney with the law firm of King, Kitrick and Jackson, LLC, 635 Duquesne Blvd., Brick (see attached PDF).
Those filing the lawsuit are: Southside Marina, 311 Channel Dr., Point Beach; Purple Jet Fishing Charters, 407 Channel Dr., Point Beach; Golden Touch Charters Inc., 818 South St., Point Pleasant and John Cole of Golden Touch; David Riback, Niblick St.; Richard Fischer, 637 Susan Lane; Brielle; Robert Santanello, Central Avenue, Point Beach; Marilyn Burke, 188 Central Avenue, Point Beach and Rosemarie Iantosca, 205 New Jersey Avenue, Point Beach and the Miss Michele III commercial fishing boat and its captain, Ron Braen, a Brick Township police officer and resident.
The latest lawsuit seeks to have the parking plan invalidated, for the new parking plan signs to be removed and for attorney fees to be paid.
Point Beach Municipal Attorney Sean Gertner said in an email Friday morning: "We will be defending the claims raised in the same manner as the previously filed suit. A local government retains the right to manage and control its streets on behalf of its citizens and we believe the ordinance addresses those concerns in the same or in a similar manner as many other local governments have done throughout the state."
Mayor Vincent Barrella said on Thursday that the town is allowing free parking in the 500 parking spaces at Silver Lake lot on Arnold Avenue from 11 p.m. to 6 a.m.
"There would be plenty of parking if Jenkinson's would only open up their parking lots, but they won't, because they don't want the liability," he said.
At a recent Point Beach Borough Council meeting, Councilmember Kristine Tooker looked directly at owners and attorneys for Jenkinson's sitting in the front row of the audience and asked them to open up their lot at the end of Broadway to overnight parking and use valets, but no one from the company has said they are considering that. (If more information on this becomes available, the story will be updated.)
The lawsuit also says the plan's penalty of a $2,000 fine or 10 days in jail "is a violation of due process and must be declared unconstitutional" as per the state and the federal Constitutions.
The lawsuit asserts that Point Beach "has extensive frontage and access upon the beaches and the ocean" and "must provide reasonable and equal access to beach and beachfront facilities to residents and non-residents alike."
The municipality does not own its beaches, except for the Maryland Avenue beach, the last vestige of the former Beacon Beach, on the south end next to Bay Head. The town does own most of the boardwalk.
The lawsuit also asserts that the parking plan violates the conditions of a Coastal Area Faciity Review Act (CAFRA) permit that requires the town to maintain public parking along the beaches in exchange for permission to maintain the beaches and dunes.
The lawsuit notes that Ocean County has not granted permission for the municipality to enforce the parking plan on county roads that have meters.
The county roads in Point Beach's District 4, near the boardwalk where the parking restrictions would go into effect are: Baltimore, Chicago, Ocean and Broadway.
Ocean County Administrator Carl Block has said that the county's general policy, although not in writing, is that because all county taxpayers pay taxes to maintain county roads, all county taxpayers should be able to park on those roads.
Block, in explaining why the Point Beach parking plan is not destined to be on a freeholder agenda, said, "If we allowed Point Pleasant Beach to do this, then we would have to allow other towns to do this."
However, there already is another town that has a parking plan on county roads, it's been in place for many years, and it's more restrictive than the parking plan about to launch in Point Beach.
Seaside Heights allows residents on many of the town's 12 county roads, as well as municipal roads, to lease spaces in front of their homes that no one else can park in at any hour.
At a recent council meeting, Barrella noted that Municipal Clerk Maryann Ellsworth learned through her own research that "on 80 percent of the county roads in Seaside Heights, residents are allowed to purchase or lease a parking space and no one else can park there." (For a list of the 12 county roads in Seaside Heights, please see the end of this story.)
The county has not explained why that is allowed, as per county policy.
Barrella has raised the question with Block and Freeholder Gerry Little, but Barrella also said he is not trying to undo Seaside's parking plan.
"I just think the county should let us enforce this parking plan on county roads here, just like Seaside is allowed to have a more restrictive parking plan on county roads in their town," he said.
John Camera, Seaside Heights Business Administrator, has not returned a call to Patch. Block had said a few weeks ago that he had written to Camera a couple of times and that he was also waiting to hear from him about the details of their parking plan and whether it warrants county review.
"We have to treat all the towns equally," Block said.
On Friday morning, a staff member in Block's office said he is off today and will call Patch on Monday.
outofthebeach4now
10:25 am on Friday, June 8, 2012
Nice......
one man's opinion
10:31 am on Friday, June 8, 2012
Can anyone tell me why the lawyer who advised the Council to do these things everyone says might not be legal is the one defending the Town? Shouldn't the residents demand a different lawyer who could give them an unbiased view as to whether these ordinances can and should be defended and how much it will cost? Isn't Gertner just gonna spend a lot of taxpayers dollars defending his own bad advice? Why does PPB have to be defended by the political hack who helped get us into this mess? Why can't PPB have a real lawyer like the rest of the Towns?
Opinionated
10:37 am on Friday, June 8, 2012
You first need real leaders.
one man's opinion
10:44 am on Friday, June 8, 2012
Instead of the disgraceful bunch of self serving politicians PPB is saddled with in Barrella Tooker Corbally and Gordon----they did not want a real lawyer giving them good advice; they wanted a "yes" man. After all a real lawyer would have told them the truth: what they intended to do could not be done. Instead now the residents will have to pay big bucks to have the Court tell Barrella Tooker Gordon and Corbally the parking ordinance and bar closing ordinance are illegal.
Spooner
11:09 am on Friday, June 8, 2012
...I might add...that was a Barrella appointee. . .better known as a "pay to play" political hack...
Opinionated
10:36 am on Friday, June 8, 2012
And the hits just keep on coming. Ye shall reap as ye shall sow. Is that the correct wording?
KJMcK
10:46 am on Friday, June 8, 2012
Nothing for nothing, but didn't Point Beach bring up last year that they were thinking of buying back the beach? Maybe this is their way of puting the Boardwalk businesses out of business. Too bad Jenk's couldn't afford to just close for a week during the height of the summer, so Point Beach could be reminded who is their biggest ratible and who draws the summer crowds that support all the business in town.
A Resident
12:17 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
No, the last time Point Beach had any real interest in buying any beach was Mike Loughgran talking with Risden's. That didn't work out, whether you believe it's for the good or bad. Risden's still owns their beach, Jenkinson's still owns their beach, and the town owns Maryland Avenue.
Nick Carraway
4:41 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Mr. McKenna, you're right in that an issue was raised last year about buying back the beach. That issue was raised by certain members of the Open Space Committee, including Lightburn and Diaz, who opposed using Open Space funds to renovate the Little League fields aka PPB prison complex. The Open Space Committee members argued that the funds should remain in the account just in case a beach came up for sale. It wasn't a genuine situation of a beach becoming available anytime soon, just an argument to keep the money within the control of the Open Space Committee.
face facts
10:53 am on Friday, June 8, 2012
How many lawsuits is that so far, I'm losing count. 3 ? 4? The funny thing is Barrella and Tooker think that businesses should just open their lots up to people and the problem is solved. Nothing like people in government trying to run a private sectors business. This is right out of the Obama mentality. Next they will be telling the restaurants and bars what they can and cannot serve and telling them how much to charge.
Nick Carraway
11:07 am on Friday, June 8, 2012
I remember a while ago, that Ms. Kelly was raising Cain over a letter from the Boro's Attorney being shared with the BW's attorney. I think it's referenced in the BW's attorney's letter to the Council right before the vote on the parking plan. If the BW got to see that letter, then maybe the residents should get to see it, too, to see exactly what types of legal advice the Governing Body is getting. I know that the Govering Body gets to pick the attorney they use, but we're paying for that legal advice, and all that legal advice seems to be getting us is more lawsuits. I guess with all of these lawsuits, we'll know just how good a lawyer the Boro Atty (with Barrella's help) is. Looks like there are plenty of lawyers willing to take them on in court. We shouldn't forget that, despite extensive litigation, Barrella did ultimately lose that Recall lawsuit.
Spooner
11:23 am on Friday, June 8, 2012
Nick- the more I read these legal papers. . .the more it leads me to believe that this Sean Gertner has a lot to be desired. When I read the brief yesterday opposing the bar closings. . .one of the cases they(BW) cited in their argument against the closings had to do with Martell's Sea Breeze vs. Point Pleasant Beach Mayor and Council, back around 1997. . .This guy Gertner doesn't seem to have done his homework on advising Council over that past lawsuit...not to mention the numerous other cases that were cited in their legal argument?
Cathy Kelly
5:10 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Frank,I mean Nick, i was not raising hell about the BW getting the letter and the residents not getting it. I was saying that it was a CONFIDENTAL letter between our Governing Body and our Boro Attny,(which the taxpayers are paying)and SOMEONE on Council playing both ends sent it out without telling the rest of the Governing Body.(you know the back door politics that have been going on with your club for years)....If you are going to bring up my name than you should at least have the facts(not that your one to have alot of facts)
Nick Carraway
5:59 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Ms. Kelly, I understood what your problems were with the letter being seen by the BW lawyers, and I never suggested in my post above anything like what you've written. My point was that now that the BW laywers have seen that letter, maybe it would be nice if the residents could see it, too, so that we could see what types of legal advice our Governing Body is getting, especially since we seem to be in court quite a lot. Don't you agree? Wouldn't you like to know what our Boro Atty is telling the Governing Body members, or do you just have the utmost trust in him and in Barrella, Corbally, Gordon and Tooker? BTW, I think it's been told to you before that you're not supposed to post that you think one poster is someone else. Are you purposely trying to make Ms. DiStephan shut down the Patch again? If not, how about playing by the rules when you post, okay? My name is Nick, not Frank.
one man's opinion
6:09 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
CK---IF there has been no investigation of the disclosure of this document, isn't the natural conclusion that those in power (i.e. Barrella, Gordon, Tooker, and Corbally) know who released it and don't want us to know? If Barrella wanted us to know couldn't he ask the police to investigate?
More to the point, don't you think we should all get to see the Borough attorney's opinion now that the BW has seen it so that we can all see for ourselves what legal advice the council recieved? Nothing wrong with that, is there Ms. Kelly? Or is there some reason you are afraid to have this document made public?
Part Timer
11:20 am on Friday, June 8, 2012
So we should all just sit back and let the town run amuck...
Sometimes you have to fight the movement...
I would rather spend the money in court rather then sitting back and watch our town turn into seaside.
PennyStocks
11:32 am on Friday, June 8, 2012
PT No sense arguing with this group of misfits. Wonder if they are going to apologize when the town wins?
one man's opinion
11:46 am on Friday, June 8, 2012
Part Timer------If you want to fight, I understand, but you have to fight within the rules. In this case the ordinances in question are beyond the power of municipal government, so the rules require you petition Trenton to allow you to impose the fees and petition the County to restrict parking on their roads. Barrella did that and Trenton and Toms River said no. He did not like that he lost the fight required by the rules, so he ignored the rules and tried to impose the fees anyway by extortion, and hide and lie about the County’s position, and Barrella got caught. It was not a brave fight for disgruntled residents; it was a refusal by Barrella to accept that without approval from Trenton and Toms River Barrella could not do what he promised his supporters he would do: restrict parking in district 4 and get the bars to pay for police.
one man's opinion
12:05 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Penny---we all know lots of lawyers, God knows they are everywhere. Has any lawyer you have asked, other than Barrella’s political hack, told you they think the Town will win? Or are you just hoping? Has anybody run into any real lawyer who thinks the Town will win?
Beach_N8iv
1:48 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
I would like to join THIS lawsuit myself. The squeaky wheels are about to cost the rest of us a fortune just to get a tiny taste of what they want. People losing hours, people losing jobs and pinheads in The Promised Land STILL sniveling about their quality of life. HOW ABOUT THE QUALITY OF LIFE THAT YOU ARE STEALING from the workers? How about the MONEY that you misfits are STEALING from the rest of the town that will have to pay for the lawsuits? Too bad we can't force The Chosen Ones to pay for the disaster that they have caused.
one man's opinion
11:51 am on Friday, June 8, 2012
By the way Part Timer, based on my experience in District 4 it looks like the extra cops are working---we aren't going be Seaside anytime soon. And don't give me that crybaby nonsense about paying for the extra police; your taxes are still lower than the rest of the County. Tourists pay for extra cops. If the Tourists did not pay for the extra cops your taxes would be higher than the non tourist towns, not lower. Why is that so hard for everyone to understand?
Part Timer
12:55 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
one man's opinion,
Did i ever mention paying for extra police? NO
Did i ever complain about my taxes?NO
Cathy Kelly
5:16 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
with your logic,there should not be ONE resident complaining about the $238. tax increase...Do you remember the outcry about that????I AGAIN,people coming to our town and breaking the law is not a PERK......
one man's opinion
5:58 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
CK----Nonsense, nothing wrong with my logic, something wrong with your agenda. The fact that PPB always has been able to afford the police necessary and can still afford the police necessary does not mean Barrella gets a free pass to raise taxes. Police pay for themselves. Where is the money going?
And tourist revenue is a perk. Enforcement is the only method proven to be effective controlling bad apples that are part of the cost we pay---and we can afford it----Specials are $10.00 an hour.
face facts
11:56 am on Friday, June 8, 2012
Part timer - who said anything about letting the town run amuck? The bozo's could have dropped the illegal ordinances and accepted the 800k and put double the amount of cops on the street and avoided this entire fiasco. Penny stocks sounds like a d4 squeaky wheeler or a Barrella crony.
Been here before
12:47 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Barrella Tooker Gordon and Corbally can't make a deal now, no matter what the BW offers. The BW haters who put them in office would hang them if they took the money from the evil empire and abandoned the parking plan and bar closings. They have to keep doing what the State is going to void. They are hoping voters will blame the State and not the people who will truly be responsible when we have no money and bars open until 2: Barrella Tooker Gordon and Corbally
Part Timer
1:03 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
one man's opinion,
You say it is extortion on Barrella's part but at the same time you are ok with the BW owners offering a bribe to stay open later...
You say the odinances are illegal... How do you know?
Haven't other towns closed there bars at 12?
Do we not have a parking ordinance in our town already? District 3 (behind the ark)
one man's opinion
1:37 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
PT the problem is simple Barrella thinks bars should pay for cops, so whether he extorts them or solicits a bribe, doesn’t matter to him, all the same. A real “ends justify the means guy.”
I know the ordinances are illegal because I read the papers on patch and read what Council members say. Pretty clear these ordinances are an attempt to get money the Council can’t pass laws to make them pay. Governor has already said no, and rushed through a law that makes any “local impact fees” fall under cap. DCA and ABC have said they don’t think it will fly.
Parking ordinance behind the Ark was done by AGREEMENT between ARC, residents, and then rubber stamped by Council.
The only other town I know of that closed the bars at 12:00 did it by referendum. Think that would pass in PPB? Barrella doesn’t or it would be on the ballot.
Maybe if you were a Full Timer you would know these things. Probably why Part Timers make lousy leaders, huh?
Jay Reynolds
2:27 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Part timer- there is a huge difference between Barrela enacting an ordinance which requires a business to pay an additional fee to keep what it already has and the businesses trying to donate money to help out with a perceived problem. The ordinance to close at 12 by itself would not be illegal but when you add the pay to play aspect it becomes extortion which should be subject to RICO laws.
Part Timer
1:05 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Everyone says EXTORTION...
But does anyone question the motive behind the BRIBE that is offered from the BW owners to stay open later...
Cathy Kelly
5:17 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Jane,ok so the bars close at 12:00...end of story...The other ordinance should be dropped....problem solved
one man's opinion
6:01 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
And when the ABC says you can't close at 12:00 because you tried to make bars pay are you, finally, going to write about how Barrella, Tooker, Gordon, and Corbally srewed this up so badly for all of us?
Nick Carraway
6:02 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Ms. Kelly, are you so upset from Tuesday's loss that your emotions are not allowing you to read these posts properly? The post above is from Jay Reynolds, not Jane Reynolds.
Jane Reynolds
9:07 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
CK...why are you adressing me?
Jane Reynolds
9:11 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
it was the towns deal...not the boardwalk.......who do think wrote the ordinance????
Rick Ricky
12:10 am on Saturday, June 9, 2012
The entire town is made up of fraud.
Mr. Happy
1:12 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Well folks, it's now in the hands on the courts now. We could blog and post and write all day, but it comes down to one thing. If the town wins these cases, it will affirm the rights of a town's sovereignty. If the BW wins, you may as well change the name to The Republic of the Boardwalk. We will be ruled by special interests and big business. I wonder if the anti-gov't forces considered that? Change that could happen every election day, will be gone; it doesn't matter who sits on the dais, the BW will dictate policy or sue. Does anyone really want to live in a town where business and courts control the lives of the people or should the people control their own destiny through the election process?
On a lighter note, I see Spooner has weighed in. If you care to access the Thomas Davis story, 8:59 entry you will see where the editor, Ms. D., publicly reprimanded Spooner for publishing false information. Read that post and you can then skip over any further Spoonerposts.
PennyStocks
2:20 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Happy
Did you notice that teh lawyer who filed this is John Jacks0n the president of the republican club
JD
3:49 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
John Jackson lives in Point Pleasant Beach!!!
Beach_N8iv
4:40 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
I don't have a problem with the courts making the decisions when "our" elected officials stop responding to the will of the voters (parking ordinance) and/or try to extort money from local businesses (bar closing). When we can no longer trust "our" elected officials and they refuse to listen to the people who are going to be forced to pay for their excesses it's time for the courts to step in.
Henry J.
4:47 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
In a legal battle between Gertner and Jackson, my money's on Jackson. Jackson's been the Lakewood Planning Board attorney for years. Gertner wanted it, but couldn't get it from Jackson. Think about that....Gertner, a Lakewood resident, couldn't get the job away from Jackson. Obviously, those Lakewood Planning Board members know something that we don't but are finding out.
one man's opinion
6:21 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
It's not even a fair fight. John Jackson is a real lawyer. Gertner is a politician----couldn't find the Courthouse with a GPS and a guide. Jackson’s website says he is “Certified by the Supreme Court of New Jersey as a Certified Trial Attorney”
Rick Ricky
12:08 am on Saturday, June 9, 2012
Mr. Happy... As a town, you are already ruled by special interests and big business. What they say goes already? It does not mater who sits on the "Dias" they all eventually cave in for their own greed.
Freetobeyouandme
1:22 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
The Beach and its supporters say the reason for this ban is to curtail offensive behavior that takes place after patrons are at BW businesses. But the big flaw in the argument is that there is no proof that the behavior is a function of parking. If the parking relocated, doesn't that just put the neighboring areas more risk than they currently have? And, if parking tags are going to be hanging from rear view mirrors, how many of these individuals who are already violatiing property will be breaking into cars to get the passes? More police needed to prevent car windows from being shattered. Except, that will be at the Beach's expense.
The behavior is the result of irresponsible dolts being overserved not cars being parked on the street.
Been here before
1:24 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Nonsense Mr. Happy. I know you are unhappy, after all you told us all the ABC would never hear it, wrong on that one, eh? And as for sovereignty, in what universe does a small part of the State and County get to dictate to all? The bar closings and parking plan are statewide and Countywide issues---that's why the law says PPB does not get to make the decisions on this one, the State and County does. And that empowers all the people, instead of catering to a select few. Kinda like the problem with catering to the squeaky wheels in district 4 instead of leading the whole town. What ya think, Happy?
Mr. Happy
2:23 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
I think the same as my original post. We could bloviate all day to no avail.
It's a matter for the courts now.
Nick Carraway
2:25 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
All of this talk about PPB becoming Seaside and the BW owners not seeming to care, well, has anyone been to Break Water Park in Seaside Heights? Many PPB residents love that place and it looks like what the PPB boardwalk used to look like. It's an oasis in the middle of Seaside. It's an example of what our BW owners can do and will do if they are able to get some decent cooperation from a Governing Body. Read the BW lawyer's letter. The BW doesn't deny that there's a problem, and seems more than willing to help restore PPB to the place everyone wants. They said "Here's some money. Get some police." It's crazy talk for people to think that the BW wants to see PPB turn into Seaside, especially since they live here, too.
Spooner
3:03 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
...Happy: you finally caught up with the rest of us. . .It's about Time!. . .Glad to read...you had something to contribute..besides your trite of me... that your obsessed with. . .and Flappy you got to delve into the fine print of Barrella's BS on the day of the reorganization meeting(January, 1, 2012). . .Oh that's right...Your one of those know it alls. . .You don't have to read his crap. . .
PS: your out of your league here with your most recent post. . .those people you refer too have spoken on Tuesday. . .Another nail in Barrella's, Corbally's, and Tooker's coffin. . .Eventually Barrella will be marginalized . .maybe he'll do those people a favor and retire from politics. . .and Tooker: she could spend her summers in Florida again?
Mr. Happy
4:36 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Hi Spooner- Nothing trite or obsessive about the reprimand from the Patch editor
you received for posting blatant distortions of her story. Is there?
You report, the editor corrects.
Part Timer
3:06 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
THEN TELL THEM TO OPEN THERE PARKING LOT TO THE LATE NIGHT CROWD....
BNRinPOINT
4:29 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
if you were a resident and took a walk to the boardwalk at any time day or night you would see that all Jenkinsons lots are accessable any time day or night of course for a fee but that fee is less then the town charges for their lots or on street parking
one man's opinion
3:58 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
PT ---that's Tooker's idea. It was inane when she suggested it and it is just selfish coming from you. Don't you think it would be better if you moved away from the place the tourists you don't like have always been, rather than having the tourists you don't like moved to a place they have never been before just to accommodate you?
Part Timer
5:06 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
There lies the difference between what you and i think is a tourist.
My family and I bought our home in the location we preferred:
1-close to the boardwalk.
2-walking distance to town
3-watching the tourist come and go for the DAY.. GET IT...DAY
I do not see the bar crowd as tourists... there lies the difference
Cathy Kelly
5:20 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
one mans,really? Asking for them to open their lots to accomodate their patrons is selfish??? Why?
one man's opinion
5:47 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
CK--try and keep up. PT lives near BW on Central or Parkway according to his posts. So when he wants to move tourists from his neighborhood to Ocean Avenue (where there are other residents) he is moving tourists his doesn't want on others. That is selfish, by definition, no?
Rick Ricky
12:27 am on Saturday, June 9, 2012
I don't live in beach and I don't know if omo does...but I don't understand why the bw does not want to open they're parking lot up to their own customers? Is there some reason why? Or is it they just don't want to. It would be keeping their customers out of the neighborhood streets in the early morning hours that so many residents complain about. Is it because the businesses do not want all the problems on them.
Nick Carraway
4:35 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Part Timer, I don't know whether your solution to open up the Jenkinson's lot works, but I will say this...telling property owners to do something doesn't seem to work. If Corbally, Tooker, Gordon and Barrella understood how to work with people, then perhaps opening up the lot might've come up during the negotiations. We're such a small town, though, that every decision, every change, has some type of effect, both negative and positive on someone. What you think might work to resolve a problem might cause others a lot of problems. I do wonder whether the Boro Atty considered this Public Trust Doctrine problem when he advised the Governing Body that they could go forward with the parking plan.
Cathy Kelly
8:36 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Point Blank: The BW has parking lots,why won't they open them? The drunks will be contained to one area,will not spill out into the neighborhood and it would be easier for the cops to control? Why aren't they opened? Simple question?
one man's opinion
8:57 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Because they will stil spill out into neighborhoods---like condos at inlet and Arnold Avenue across form Little Silver---helps some residents but hurts others---just different residents---
Nick Carraway
9:03 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Ms. Kelly, it does sound like a simple question, but why are you asking me that question? I don't own those lots. I thought you were the type of person that liked to go directly to the source. Have you asked a representative from the BW whether it can be done? Have you asked Elaine Petrillo or Chris Riehl whether it can be done? If this is a solution you support, then I say go for it, and see whether it can actually be done, and then see if the BW is willing to do it, or at least find out why they won't. Don't just throw stuff out there for the fun of it. Roll up your sleeves and pitch in to find a solution by doing the work to see if it's a realistic solution.
Part Timer
5:14 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Beach_N8iv
Once again, i did not know when i bought my house that also had to keep the BW employees from having there hours cut,pay cut or from even being cut period.
Remember that if district 4 turns to $%!^ the other districts will follow..
one man's opinion
5:30 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
PT---night time bar patrons have been a part of PPB since before you were born and were there when you bought your house. Remember the line in Jersey Boys where Frankie Vali and the Four Seasons were at the "Sea Breeze"? That was a reference to Martells. It is unbelievably selfish for you want to move night time tourists out of a place they have always been to someplace they have never been, just because you don't like them. The bad apples have also been here since before you were born and the answer is, and always was enforcement. For decades those like you who couldn't deal have moved. You should learn to deal, not that tough, lots do----Reid and Cotes won District 4 you know
Part Timer
5:50 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Understand that night time crowds have been here for a long time, not sure what it was like when i was born (1964) but i am sure it was not like it is now.
It also does not mean that i should just sit back and be quiet about it...
Part Timer
5:53 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Selfish of me? I am so sorry...
For now on when a bar patron wants to throw garbage or pee on my lawn i will shine a flashlight for them so can see better..
one man's opinion
6:32 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Nobody wants you to sit idly by. Please call the police. They are really well trained well paid and quite good. They are there immediately.
one man's opinion
6:35 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
And you are dead wrong. Bar crowds are larger, because the population has grown, and number of bad apples, and therefore cops, have gone up with population. And people have changed all over the world, but there is nothing new in PPB that is not everywhere else.
Rick Ricky
12:38 am on Saturday, June 9, 2012
Businesses taxes are based on what the businesses make? So how much does the boardwalk claim they make or did not make to deserve a refund if I understn All business
Cathy Kelly
5:49 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
One mans, Everyone acknowledged that there is a problem(even the BW) so to say this is how it has always been is ridiculous...The BW,the Council,The residents all agree on one thing, That there is a problem!!!!!
Cathy Kelly
5:52 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
The problems,lawsuits and power struggles revolve around how to fix the problem Not whether or not there is a problem....
one man's opinion
6:28 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
A problem created by your boy Barrella and the equally misguided Dyer and Hennessey cutting cops. And we have already solved the problem, as we always have, by increasing cops by an amount that is both effective and we can afford. And only those who are unaccustomed to the season by season ups and downs of the tourists in PPB over the decades believe anything else. You say you have only been interested the last couple years. You can go back to what you were doing. We got this.
Part Timer
6:49 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
WHO IS WE???
one man's opinion
6:59 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
The full time residents who love PPB and are humble enough to understand radical change for squeaky wheels leads to ruin.
one man's opinion
6:48 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Ms. Kelly, one more thing: if "everybody" thinks there is a "problem" in District 4 why did the majority of registered voters in District 4 not come out and support Barrella and the parking plan last November and does the fact that Reid and Cortes beat Loder in District 4 on Tuesday mean the residents of District 4 know Barrella has the wrong answer?
Part Timer
6:48 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
one man's opinion
Why should anyone in this town have to deal with the problems, you say call the police and let them handle it, they are very good at what they do. I am sure they are but again why should we have to deal with it in the first place....
one man's opinion
6:55 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Because living so close to the Ocean and expecting all summer tourists to be well behaved is unrealistic. The police actions will lower the frequency to a tolerable level as they always have in the past----like before you got here and started complaining.
Part Timer
7:07 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
WRONG AGAIN,
There lies the difference between what you and i think is a tourist.
My family and I bought our home in the location we preferred:
1-close to the boardwalk.
2-walking distance to town
3-watching the tourist come and go for the DAY.. GET IT...DAY
I do not see the bar crowd as tourists... there lies the difference.
Been here for 15years
Part Timer
7:10 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Was trying to stay away from this BUT,
You try and put a spin on most things I post back to you and to me that sounds like a Liberal spin...
Part Timer
7:12 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Does everyone like to have one man's opinion speak for you...HE DOES
one man's opinion
6:59 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
The full time residents who love PPB and are humble enough to understand radical change for squeaky wheels leads to ruin.
one man's opinion
7:26 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Nice try Part Timer---but I was responding to your question “Who is we” i.e. who do I think has and will keep our tourists in line, without the help of part timers and carpet-baggers like you---I never suggested I speak for all the residents-----but we, the residents, will take care of the tourists by funding the cops necessary for enforcement as we always have.
You obviously have decided not to even try to understand how and why PPB has always worked---typical carpet-bagger-----why should anyone listen to you?
Part Timer
8:04 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
OH BY THE WAY, non residents make up about 48% of the town...
Part Timer
8:05 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
What are you doing to help in the town besides posting on the Patch?????????????
one man's opinion
8:28 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Too much to count over the better than 60 years: donations, volunteer time, stuff, ideas, money, you know, what year round residents who love their hometown do, and we won't talk about what my parents, brothers, sisters, aunts and uncles and cousins did and do, but we do and did it all anonymously---and that won't change for you---how about you, just in PPB now, not wherever your other part time home is?
Ps. where do you get your numbers?-there are 5K year round residents and the percentage of non residents in that group is 0. If you were trying to state the percentage of homes where the residents are part time it has not been 48% in 15 years. And there is no need to shout---I hear, uh, read, very well
Nick Carraway
7:28 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Part Timer, obviously, you had the wrong impression of PPB even when you moved here. Definition of tourist: "one that makes a tour for pleasure or culture." http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tourist Did you not realize that PPB has had fireworks for many years? Fireworks can only occur after nightfall. Many come just for the fireworks, at night. Others used to come at night for the Father Alfonse concerts. I understand that you're bothered by the night time bar patrons, but if you really thought that when you bought a house in PPB that you'd only see tourists going up to the BW during the day, and wouldn't see them heading up there at night, you were truly mistaken.
Part Timer
7:57 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Again you spin...
I think anyone would understand my post and what i meant when is said,
(watching the tourist come and go for the DAY.. GET IT...DAY)
Yes we also love the fireworks, concerts, big joe henry, etc etc etc
Nick Carraway
8:49 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Ms. Kelly, what Club are you talking about? Gold's Gym? That's the only Club that I belong to. I think you may be confusing my posts with someone else's. I never said that there wasn't a problem. Part Timer mentioned that he expected only to have tourists that come in the day and go home at night, and I merely pointed out that was unrealistic, considering the various activites we have here at night, including some family oriented ones. Here's what I don't understand, though...for someone who thought that they should take the money from the BW to fund the police, someone who posted that she didn't think that the bars should be closed early, why aren't you angry about all of this? And, why aren't you curious about what the Boro Atty's legal advice was regarding the parking plan, bar closing and remittance fee ordinances?
one man's opinion
8:51 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Ms. Kelly you really are a caricature aren't you? the public employee family who is all Democrats all the time. Must be why you love Barrella and his tax and spend policies. Anyway, as I said before:
This so called "problem" was created and exaggerated by your boy Barrella and then exacerbated by the equally misguided Dyer and Hennessey cutting cops. And we have already solved the problem, as we always have, by increasing cops by an amount that is both effective and we can afford. And only those who are unaccustomed to the season by season ups and downs of the tourists in PPB over the decades believe anything else. You say you have only been interested the last couple years. You can go back to what you were doing. We got this.
one man's opinion
7:30 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Oh, and of course, I am only
one man's opinion
Cathy Kelly
9:26 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
one mans,your ignorance is overwhelming,I use my own name and you try and guess who I am,No I am not a democrat,No I am not a public employee,than people wonder why I don't want to answer to minors....it is people like you that prove my point...
Henry J.
8:56 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Ms. Kelly, what are you talking about? You say "the fact is that lately anyone that separates themselves from your club (R) gets elected." Did you miss the election results on Tuesday? Loder ran as an Independent Republican in the Republican Primary and....lost!!! Mayer ran last year and was the biggest vote getter. But, you're right. Those Independents did well last year. So, riddle me this....why exactly did your boy Loder decide to run in the Republican Primary, and risk being knocked out for November, rather than just run as an Independent with Davis? It sounds to me like Cortes was right. Loder's whole plan was to create political chaos. Or, could it be that Loder and the Barrella clan were hoping that if Loder won, Barrella could gain control over the Republican Club and hope to re-establish himself as a Republican with the hope that someone might actually listen to him on the County and State political levels?
Cathy Kelly
9:29 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
ok,it was the primary election...I believe there were approx.1200 votes in total,,,some people voted for 2 candidates which brings the number of actual people voting lower,if i am not mistaken,,,I am 46 yrs old and never voted in a primary until Cervino was re-running and I had to declare republican(I am an independent) solely to vote in the primary......November will be the true test of who is voted in...
Nick Carraway
9:17 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Part Timer, I can tell you one of the things that has significantly changed since your birth in 1964...the number of people we have in NJ. It boggles my mind, to be honest, considering all of the forms of contraceptives out there today, but we have approximately 2 million more people living in NJ than we did in 1960 (sorry...there was no census in 1964, so I have to use the 1960 figure). 1960 = 6,066,782 residents in NJ. http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/state.php?f=0&fips=34&year=1964 2011=8,821,155. Nearly 400,000 more people between 2000 and 2011, too. http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/34000.html
Cathy Kelly
9:35 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
I find it comical that everyone on here complaining about the failed negotiations is neglecting to mention that Bill Mayer and Bret Gordon were the ones doing the negotiating...It was never brought to a vote..Tooker,Corbally and Barrella had ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with it...But I guess,that fact is just omitted because it helps your argument by blaming those three....So many people know the truth yet you few who love to distort the truth believe the more you post it,than people will believe it....Again,you underestimate the residents........
Amy Lynne
9:56 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
I cannot believe some of the things people are posting here. Don't you people get it? These ordinances are going to cost people their jobs or at least seriously hurt their incomes. This law suit was brought by fishermen, among others. Fishing is a very dangerous and difficult job, and one that none of you college-educated snobs probably ever think about, but it puts food on the table for many who don't have the means to have gone to college, and it's been a staple of the NJ Shore forever! My girlfiend is a single mom with 2 small kids. She works the late shift at a PPB bar because it's good money and she can leave her kids with her mom at night. These aren't people who are lucky enough to own vacation homes in PPB. These are people who are barely getting by, paying rent for an apartment. Burglary is on the rise in NJ because people are stealing to eat. It must be nice to have such comfortable lives that you can worry about people peeing on your lawn, when so many others are worried about paying their rent and putting food on the table. PPB used to be a lovely community, but it's clear that many have no heart here today.
Rick Ricky
12:57 am on Saturday, June 9, 2012
Sorry for your or possible loss of work. I don't live in the beach either, all I know though is I would not want to pay for employees that are not mine.
Joseph Woolston Brick
10:15 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Remember in the 70's the residents of Point Beach tried something? About that time, there was a movement going on to have the beaches have one price for residents and another for tourists and the town said that was discrimination, against the law and the town would be inundated with lawsuits. So how is this parking law any different? You want to solve the problems with the tourists without extorting the boardwalk businesses and solving the parking problem as well ? Get tough! Just like Fort Lauderdale Florida did when they got tired of being abused by spring breakers. It would cost less (of course the town is going to hate this idea as they won't be getting the money from Jenks and Martells that they want.) Here's how. First change the laws, easy to do and then make up signs in plain language that a dope would understand. Something like this:
Anyone caught peeing anyplace but in a real bathroom with a real toilet will be fined $1,500 and a weekend in jail (the weekend picked by the court, like July 4th or another three day weekend)
Anyone caught taking a dump anywhere but a real bathroom with a real toilet will be fined $2,000 and two weekends in jail. (weekend to be picked by the court)
Take any problem and do the same and then state that there will be no negotiations with the town prosecutor what the sign says is what you pay and do. Easy simple and the scum will be on their merry way to Seaside! The town is returned to a family oriented place to have fun .
Nick Carraway
10:44 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Excellent suggestions! Exactly what we need. And, yes, put it in plain English, no matter how crazy it might sound. Key West did something similar, too. They kept their municipal courts open 24 hours. If you got a violation, you didn't just get a ticket. You got hauled into court, immediately, and had to deal wit it.
Nick Carraway
10:18 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Ms. Kelly, I cannot believe that you actually wrote that the negotiating was done by Mayer and Gordon and that Barrella had "ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with it." Are you kidding? Everyone knows that Barrella was involved in the negotiations. If you read the May 9 letter from the BW attorney in the other article, he specifically says that there was a negotiation meeting that occurred on April 27, 2012, that there were three GB members present along with Gertner, and that "Mayor Barrella agreed to table" the ordinances. I think it's you who underestimates the residents. I cannot believe you actually posted that. I can't figure out whether you are so far gone in your political spinning mind that you don't even realize when you post what is a lie, apparent to everyone, or that you're just that confused or over-tired that you forget these things.
Won't be Fooled (by Barrella) Again
7:49 am on Saturday, June 9, 2012
These negotiations with the BW must really be unpopular if Barrella’s spin captain Cathy Kelly is trying to convince us Barrella had nothing to do with them. Isn’t he the first one we all heard spout the idea the BW should pay more? Does anyone besides Ms. Kelly honestly believe Barrella had nothing to do with these negotiations and the mess that has resulted?? If anybody does, please, let’s hear it? Happy? Better Living?
Maggie Hart-Zuhowski
10:43 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Wow. I did not even think about the commercial fishing industry and how the parking plan would affect their commercial business. Good for them. Hope they win.
As far as allowing residents to park in Jenkinson's north end lot- that is crazy. That is private property. I remember when we owned the Idle Hour and people were falling in the parking lot outside and suing the heck out of us and the insurance company having a field day....Jenkinson's- TOO MUCH liability for you to allow overnight parking etc...and Idle Hour insurance costs becoming outrageous.
Maggie Hart-Zuhowski
11:00 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
I also have been thinking about this issue for a few weeks now and the one thing that does bother me is this. Is the government body educated or advised on what a conflict of interest is? I have annual ethics training working for the federal government and I thought everyone knew what this was. Well, conflict of interest from a layman ( not a legal definition) is anything that could be perceived as an advantage ( financial or non-financial). For example, Mike Corbally who is a part owner in a real estate firm CAN NOT vote on an issue which is directly impacted by his business (financial gain) rentals in District 4. Kristine Tooker and Mayor Barella who I believe live in District 4 and they are voting on a plan for a limited number of residents in comparison to total residents in the town in my opinion for personal gain (quality of life for them individually) and since their voters voted NO last November. This also is a conflict of interest in my opinion. Lawsuits are going to cost the taxpayers of Point Pleasant Beach lots of money. Someone better be monitoring all the legal costs of each law suit and when it gets outrageous - overturn your decision. You all appear to be stubborn on this quality of life issue. Governing body-Be business people and make decisions, but if it is not fiscally responsible - CHANGE YOUR DECISION...
Opinionated
11:07 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Now that everyone has spoken, I hope no one has gotten blue in the face. Sounds like someone needs to start a new petition for recalling your problem children before the cost of all the lawsuits bankrupts PPB. Maybe another recall effort may distract your "leaders" long enough in order to get some semblance of order.
Rick Ricky
1:12 am on Saturday, June 9, 2012
I am confused on the Mr. Jackson attorney's argument Doesn't the fisherman park in the lots where they keep their boats? Why would they park on the streets? When does the fisherman start fishing? Where do they live? Wouldn't they get the passes that they are given out? Parking is from 12 pm until 6 am, is this the hours fisherman start? Can't they park at the inlet parking?
Spooner
1:51 am on Saturday, June 9, 2012
Mayor- Please Read...PPB Borough have over a period of many years activity induced and solicited the public, in particular non-residents to come to PPB for purposes of partaking and using the public beach and the public boardwalk...
In addition, the PPB Borough over a period of many years activity induced and solicited private individuals, including those name as Plaintiffs, to purchase and invest into businesses and commercial properties within the Borough near the beach and boardwalk facilities, in order to provide suitable and legal restaurant, tavern, and recreation facilities so as to service and induce the public and in particular non-residents to come and utilize those facilities and businesses...and pursuant to such inducement and practices over many years, have responded and invested substantial amounts of money and investments into each of their particular business operations and facilities...
The PPB Borough's governing body by Ordinance 2012-12(District 4 Parking Plan) have now acted contrary to the inducements and practices over many years upon which the plaintiffs have relied and acted upon...
...a clear case for "damages". . .meaning that all those businesses that will lose money and investment with the implementation of the parking ordinance have a right to be reimbursed by the town because of the town's past action in encouraging individuals to invest in those businesses. . .
SB Girl
7:08 am on Saturday, June 9, 2012
If the town doesn't own the beach and boardwalk, why does it hold the CAFRA permit? The owner of the beach should hold the permit. If Jenk's owns the beach, it should hold the CAFRA permit, perform all the maintainance on the beach and satisfy the parkiing requirements, by opening up its lots if the town choses to not allow anything but resident parking overnight.
In many towns up north, you can't park on the street overnight at all, resident or not. Businesses there have to provide parkiing for their patrons.
Spooner
1:46 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
SB Girl- do you know if the town received money under NJ Shore Protection Fund. According to Count Seven in the above Complaint, the town applied for a CAFRA permit in 1999 to receive funds for maintenance of public beaches. I believe the town owns the beach at the South end. Is this what the complaint refers too? The reason I ask. . .is that they(Marina's) cited a Court case involving the town of Avalon. . .In that Appellate Court Opinion, in the very first paragraph it said...Other new rules require any municipality that seeks an appropriation from the "Shore Protection Fund" to enter into a "State Aid Agreement" with the DEP that, among other things, obligates the municipality to provide additional parking spaces and restroom facilities in proximity to the oceanfront as specified by the Public Access Rules and DEP directives. N.J.A.C. 7:7E-8.11(p)(7)(v); N.J.A.C. 7:7E-8A.2(c)(2)(i). The rules also require the municipality, if necessary, to acquire land, including by exercise of the power of eminent domain, in order to provide such additional parking spaces and restroom facilities. N.J.A.C. 7:7E-8.11(p)(7)(i)(l)...
Won't be Fooled (by Barrella) Again
7:50 am on Saturday, June 9, 2012
These negotiations with the BW must really be unpopular if Barrella’s spin captain Cathy Kelly is trying to convince us Barrella had nothing to do with them. Isn’t he the first one we all heard spout the idea the BW should pay more? Does anyone besides Ms. Kelly honestly believe Barrella had nothing to do with these negotiations and the mess that has resulted?? If anybody does, please, let’s hear it? Happy? Better Living? No? I didn't think so.
Ruth Liss
8:32 am on Saturday, June 9, 2012
Ms. Di Stephan It's time for you to remind Cathy Kelly of the Patch rules. She is trying to guess the identity of Nick Carraway. She has posted 4 times all on June 8th,
deliberately referring to him by another name. You have warned others in the past about this. Read her posts yourself. She is not playing by the rules!
Mr. Happy
10:34 am on Saturday, June 9, 2012
A couple of things:
Won't be Fooled Again- With regards to the Mayor's involvement in the negotiations,
if anyone was even remotely paying attention, you would know that he entered the process at the end. He did attend a meeting and agreed to table the ordinances. So, everyone is partially right; and if by agreeing to table the ordinances to continue to look for a solution makes him a villain in some people's mind, so be it.
Maggie Hart-Boro resident? As I recall from a past election, Sue Rogers supporter?
So, by definition that translates to Anti-Barrella. Enough said.
Spooner-Uhhhh, never mind. I don't have to keep an eye on you, Ms.D., Patch editor has superseded me.
Won't be Fooled (by Barrella) Again
8:00 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
Mr. Happy, I can’t believe you took the bait. I thought you were smarter than that. Oh well.
Ok, for all those, like Happy, who believe the world is flat, Neil Armstrong’s walk was not on the moon but in a Hollywood movie studio, and that Barrella had nothing to do with each and every unpopular parking plan, here is proof Barrella has been driving the negotiations with the Boardwalk. This is a quote from Barrella himself. This is from the minutes of the 1/1/2010 Council (no Gordon no Mayer) meeting:
Mayor Barrella: “I am also aware that many are critical of my delivery and some believe that I have been too harsh on our boardwalk businesses. I truly want nothing more than to work with them in a partnership for a better Point Pleasant Beach. To date, they have not given me any indication that they want to do so, but I will keep trying. I simply need to do a better job convincing them that it is in their best interest to at least meet half-way. I will continue to fight to fulfill those campaign promises that I made with respect to reducing our property tax burden by raising additional revenue from tourism.”
There are many more. Let’s help Happy out and see who can find the most.
Denise Di Stephan
10:43 am on Saturday, June 9, 2012
To Cathy Kelly: Stop trying to guess the identities of commenters. Stop addressing commenters by names other than the ones they are using, real or otherwise. I'm getting complaints, again, and I had to delete a few of your comments. This is at least the second time I have asked you to stop doing it. There will be no more warnings. Next time I see it, your account is suspended. All other commenters need to remember not to do that and to stay away from sweeping, damning generalizations and unsubstantiated accusations.
And to all those who are poised to post, "Ms. D. reprimanded Cathy Kelly! Yahoo!": You know what? Save it! If you are that filled with hate that you would gleefully write that, you have probably been engaging in the kind of antagonistic bickering that just fuels more hate and creates more problems here. So, please resist the temptation, try to be more fact-based and constructive, and maybe I'll actually be able to have some time off this weekend. Or will I have to babysit comments all weekend long?
Charles W. Bogert
11:46 am on Saturday, June 9, 2012
Isn't Mayor Barrella an attorney??? Maybe that "splains it all"!! You know how these attorneys are - all very poor except for each other...
Charlie Bogert
Nick Carraway
5:36 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
Mr. Happy, why are you trying to downplay Mayor Barrella's involvement in the negotiations? You know full well that he was involved in more than one meeting with the BW on these issues. Let's just assume, to make you Happy, that throughout the times when Gordon and Mayer were meeting with the BW, Gordon, you know, Barrella's former running mate and clearly his second in command, never bothered to call Barrella up on the phone after the meetings and fill him in to get his input. I think that's unlikely, but I'm willing to humor you on that issue. Even so, Barrella was clearly present at more than just the one meeting when he agreed to carry the ordinances. Again, look at 5/9 letter from the BW lawyer. Barrella was also at the 5/7 meeting. Gordon suggested the $160K per year. Mayer and Barrella were present. Further discussion on how payment would be implemented, then everyone took a "time out" and, when they returned, the GB members raised for the first time that the parking plan lawsuit had to be dropped. It's attached to the 10 Days to Respond article.
Mr. Happy
8:37 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
OK Nick, thanks for the clarification.
Maggie Hart-Zuhowski
9:30 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
Mr Happy- Your comment about me is ridiculous. I know Mr Barella and I think he is an awesome tax attorney, but not a very good Mayor. He is arrogant and not looking out for the people of Point Pleasant Beach and being friends with Sue did not give me that conclusion. I grew up in Point Beach. My mother, Ceil Hart, Homes by Hart for 30 years and a very political activist in her day taught me how to look at issues NOT party lines. If you knew me, you would know I graduated from Point Pleasant Beach HS and was inducted into their Hall of Fame in 2003 and have followed issues in Point Pleasant Beach/Boro for years. I know Kristine Tooker personally also, and think she is a nice person, but she also is clouded on sound business judgement. I know Andy Cortes for years. I know Steven Reid for years. I am NOT ANTI- anybody. I am an Accountant/Price Analyst and I know a little bit about fiscal responsibility and I see that this is going to cost the taxpayers of PPB a lot of money and just want people to wake up before it too late. I worked at Fort Monmouth which was BRAC'd to MD, the economy in Monmouth County due to the closing of Fort Monmouth is terrible and the true results will not be in until Sept 15, 2012 - one full year of Fort closing so between that and the lack of revenue projected for Point Beach I am scared for all of residents of NJ what impact it will have the NJ state tax and services..... We shall see.
blindbert
6:24 am on Sunday, June 10, 2012
Most all of those, the marina and charter boats have their own parking lots?
I do not understand their suit.They provide their own parking.
The boat without parking, the "Ideal" is not listed in the suit.
Also most marina and boat owner were against the CAFRA marina access proposal.
I wonder if those lawsuit filers are paying the tab for the suit????
Mr. Happy
8:43 am on Sunday, June 10, 2012
Hi Maggie Hart-thanks for your explanation, sorry I overreached as to your political sentiment. You have quite a resume, I'll bet the Repubs. secretly wish they had candidates with that type of resume. Let's face it, the 2 candidates they are running have a combined resume that is thinner than someone in the last days of the Bobby Sands diet. There's just not much there. Oh well.
I understand your concern about the economy in general, but here specifically, in D4,
people aren't thinking about state tax revenue at 3AM when the area is overrun with marauders.
It's interesting to note that you mention Barrella and Tooker, including a positive statement on each. Yet, when you mention Reid and Cortes, it's just that you have known them for years. Period. Not exactly a ringing endorsement, but perhaps I am reading between the lines; sorry if that's the case.
mattmurphy
9:39 am on Sunday, June 10, 2012
Mr. Happy I think you are reading between the lines. You missed the lines where Maggie says that Barrella is arrogant and not looking out for the people of Point Pleasant Beach and that Kristine Tooker is also clouded on sound business judgment. Maggie is not anti anybody. She is just telling it like it is.
Won't be Fooled Again (By Barrella)
11:22 am on Sunday, June 10, 2012
Good Spin, Happy, but the people are not buying it. Those big resumes come with big egos, like Barrella and Gordon. Residents know they would be better off with “common sense” Andy than “big resume” Gordon. The residents won’t make the same mistake twice.
blindbert
11:35 am on Sunday, June 10, 2012
We have tried the alternate way for most of the more than 30 years. The others have recieved and seek political appointments, contracts and government employment for themselves family and friiends. As long as they vote the gillmore way they are rewarded!!! We have been making the mistake for years!!! As we tumble into the abyss!!
Spooner
1:00 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
Mayor Barrella, you said: "that the town is allowing free parking in the 500 parking spaces at Silver Lake lot on Arnold Avenue from 11 p.m. to 6 a.m." in response to this latest lawsuit. . .Now Mayor why would anybody who now parks near and around Channel Drive, want to park all the way at Silver Lake. . .And that free 11PM to 6AM - begs an explanation! Let me see if I got this correct...you come here at around 4AM to go off shore fishing for the day and park over at Silver Lake. . .After the charters leave. . .am I to understand that you and your parking police will be putting money into the meters for their vehicles at 6AM, so they will not be ticketed for the day, or will they have to put money in at 4AM and pay all day to park(not free parking any more)...then walk to Channel Drive at four in the morning to board their boats..And after a long hot day of fishing...again walk back to their vehicles at Silver Lake with all their gear...maybe-possibly getting a taxis...Do I have this correct so far?
...maybe even the Charter companies should provide lot transportation...using one of those mini-buses. . .Is that going to be FREE too!
blindbert
1:43 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
Almost all the boats and the marina in question have parking except for the "Ideal" which is not party to the lawsuit.
The inlet fisherman have paid spots and that is not supposed to change.
If your are a resident it would make that much of a differance because you will have one resident D4 pass and can buy a $10 resident pass. Either way the ordinance is a trial and concerns can be addressed!
I still wonder if outside souces are funding this lawsuit just as they funded the recall!!!!
Maggie Hart-Zuhowski
4:56 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
Mr Happy- Thank you for stating I have quite a resume. However, I am NOT interested in running for politics but I do like to provide input on fiscal responsibility/budget issues due to my extensive financial background in it and some common sense issues where I can.
In addiiton, yes, you are reading between the lines. I was pointing out that I am in favor of issues not party lines. I mention Barella, Tooker, Reid, and Cortes because they all represent different party lines. Thanks Matt Murphy - you must know me
mattmurphy
8:38 pm on Monday, June 11, 2012
You're welcome Maggie. We take care of our own.
Joe
11:50 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
OH, We know!!
Part Timer
2:28 pm on Tuesday, June 12, 2012
Can someone tell me if that is Dave Bassinder the owner of Martells listed below for the Parking Committee....
Parking Authority
Meets on the 1st Thursday of each month 7:00 PM
Paul Bonsper, Jr. - Chairman
Emidio Caruso
Michael Corona
Dave Bassinder
Eugene Warga
Karen Mills, Clerk
A Resident
9:55 pm on Tuesday, June 12, 2012
Yes, by appointment of the Mayor and Council.
There was an opening on the Parking Authority. Dave and a couple others expressed interest in the position. He was the one chosen for it.
Same process followed by Paul Bonsper, owner of Point Beach Interiors and Michael Corona, owner of Radio Shack. Has been a group of local business owners and resident's since it's inception.