In reading the article, A lot of Police Stations have camera's on the top of their buildings that face every inch of the municipal building that they are located at. Guess Lakewood doesn't have that? I think all Police Stations should have that. I am floored that someone was so brazin as to stab someone right in the parking lot. It's a such a shame.

The Police/Municipal lot is between 3rd and 4th. According to the article, the lot in question is on 2nd.

Seems that way and the more and more time goes on, it seems that the worse and worse it gets.

Start reading the Cairo Patch !!!

amen to dat I'm suprised the good mexicans put up with this madicon

I love how everyone claims mexicans are such hard workers. Mostly all I do is see them walking the streets or hanging out on the streets. They are hard working maybe when it comes to getting hand outs, but that is about it. How about sending them back to mexico and letting them work hard there.

First of all, ILLEGALS can't get handouts/welfare/unemployment etc. They have to be here with SOME paperwork to back them up.
Second of all, ILLEGALS generally stay hidden, not "hanging out" on the streets or causing trouble and calling attention to themselves. (they're ILLEGAL, remember?)
Third; Jobs are hard to come by for MANY people of all colors, creeds and cultural backgrounds. Ever stop to think that many Mexicans and others can't get jobs because of bias and bigotry- and not because they are "illegal"? Oh wait, people like you don't stop to think about anything, except the shade of brown of someone's skin....

My post just above was to "Ken" by the way... just to be clear.

Eggsn Toast... do you have any idea how many of these illegals have phony papers and phony IDs?? trust me illegals are not hiding they are right out in the open because they know that the police are afraid to pick them up like they should. I do not care what color they are or what country they came from, if they are here illegally they should be shipped back. They should have no rights if they did not come here illegally.

You can't compare the two. Lakewood is our county's Newark, Camden or Bridgeton. If we don't resolve the gang problem of MS-13, we will see first hand how the gangs intimidate the good people of Mexico,

Easy to solve send them back to where they came from. Fine anyone who gives illegals housing. Fine and jail any company who repeatedly hires illegals. If they have no place to live, no jobs and no handouts they will go back to their homeland.

Keep the gangs in Lakewood , we have enough illegals in neighboring towns including Toms River. Better yet ship all illegals back to where they came from.

We should round up all the illegals and lawyers and ship them off to the same place. Nothing but a bunch of blood suckers however you look at it!

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THANK YOU. It needed to be said. And it needs to be repeated as often as possible.

America did not become a "melting pot" 100 years ago by way of this silly "We're a White, Christian, Country-Club Country and others need not apply for membership" attitude. It's unnecessary and frankly, more than a little bigoted.

Big difference, back than was the fact that our ancestors came here LEGALLY!!!

@Ken, so I guess then every immigrant these days is here illegally? Seriously?

@bunny, no not every immigrant here is illegal, but over 10 million are. Is that ok with you that that many people have snuck into our country illegally??? All you people that are so concerned with all these illegals should each take one family of them inot your household and support them and be responsible for them, since you care so much about these crimminals.

10 million is merely a fraction of the 305 million people in America. First of all, no one is sure of that 10 million number- that's only a guesstimate. The number varies wildly, according to who you are listening to.
Also, many times people are NOT illegal when first coming here, but then their visas run out and our system of renewal is SO BAD and SO INADEQUATE that they can't manage to jump through the 10 thousand hoops- and they become "illegal" from that point on. I know people who've come to the USA more than 10 YEARS ago (!) -- one just got his permanent green card 3 months ago and one is still waiting.
They're both college educated, one is in his 30's, one in his 40's. They work and pay taxes, too, by the way... and yet becoming a legal citizen is something they both nearly gave up on. Our system is seriously flawed, and has been for the last 50 years.
OUR ancestors got off the boat, or crossed the borders, and within hours had a quick physical exam, answered some questions, showed papers of nationality (where they came from), and POOF* they were documented and shown through the doors into America.
Now we want electrified fences, armed patrols and viscous dogs at the gates....

Last point: So you are saying, not all immigrants are illegals, but ALL illegals are criminals; is that right? yeah, don't think so.

@ EggsnToast, correct all immigrants are illegal, since some came here legally.Yes all Illegals are crimminals, that is what the word illegal means. If you think 10 millian is a small number would you prefer 50-100 million maybe? I don't know about your ancesors, but mine did not just get on a boat, answer a few questions and poof they were documented. there was a LOT more involved than that. I think you need to check your history. you are right about one thing our immigration laws are seriosly flawed. If you are here illegally you should be deported. If your visa runs out, go back to your country of origin and than come here legally. Your friends should have been deported 10 years ago since they were here illegally and done it correctly, not stayed here illegally.

With all that you have stated, very true. However when our ancestors came here, they also brought with them a trade, something that could be taught and passed on. They did not come here with their hands out and live off the system. The Mafia and the Westies ( Irish ) they are far from what gangs are today. It was organized crime not this street nonsense that goes on. Its just ashame.....I am sure our forfathers are rolling over in their graves....

Excuse me, Ken, but my friends were not here ILLEGALLY. They had temporary visas, which were perfectly legal. They began the process of becoming legal PERMANENT citizens more than ten years ago. This is why they worked at REAL jobs, paid REAL taxes, etc. Yet, they could not collect social security disability (if they became disabled) nor could they get unemployment benefits. They had to be hired by a company willing to "sponsor" them, and they had to stick with that job - like it or not - or, they'd have to start over again with another company that was willing to sponsor, etc etc. Even if they were laid off through no fault of their own, the process was started over. It was a never ending cycle of hoops to jump through and tightropes to walk. They were adhering to the program perfectly- and it took more than ten years for one of them to get a permanent card. I think I know more about them than YOU do.
The term ILLEGAL alien means they don't have current documentation or have expired visas. It means they are undocumented, not that they have broken any other laws or that they are "criminal" in nature. Sorry, but lack of paperwork shouldn't make one "a criminal" -- because if they _could get_ the damn paperwork, I'm sure they ALL would make the effort to do so.
And you said:
"correct all immigrants are illegal, since some came here legally." how does that even make sense?

And Ken, when thousands and thousands of immigrants landed on Ellis Island, they were usually processed through within 24 hours. Thousands at a time. The only people they turned away were people with criminal records (if they could even know that), people that lacked even the minimum paperwork like a birth certificate or paper of origin, or they were obviously sick with some sort of communicable disease.
I think you need to check out a few history books, or immigration circa 1900's articles.
The boat trip from Europe took a whole lot longer than it took to get the immigration stamp on their papers.

@ EggsnToast, First of all I meant to say all immigrants AREN'T Illegals. Many came hear legally. My family did come to this country in the early 1900's and it was no easy task like you think to come hear. They needed to be healthy, have a sponsor, a trade , learn to assimilate, which includes knowing out language amongst other things. As far as I am concerned illegal aliens are just that crimminals, I am tired of the term undocumented immigrants, just a bleeding heart liberal term. Let me ask you how many illegals do you let live with you? How amny of them do you give jobs to? How many of them are your neighbors? Since you seem so concerned with them I think you should let them live with you, you should give them a job, you should pay their bills and you should live amongst them.

@ onthecuff..you are so right. It seems that people today forget that when our ancestors came here, they came here legally. Did everything they were supposed to before that got here and did what they were supposed to once tey arrived. They learned to assimilate with people from this country and did not expect people to assimilate to their ways. they did not have their hand outs for handouts. They were the true hard workers. They helped build this country, not tear it down.

Regional news is cross-posted to a number of local Patch sites, Brick included. I see the stats - people were clearly interested in reading this one. ;)

Ken, you seem to know it all.. They are illegal because it is a civil issue not criminal. Don't quit you're day job and stop trying to school us with the laws. An attorney you're NOT! You cite Wikipedia now theres a great source of information.

Ummm No, Ken, I didn't respond to that particular part of your comment because I had already posted plenty in response to other points, and there was plenty that YOU didn't respond to either.
But Ok, let's talk;
So sometimes, a small percentage of that small percentage of illegal aliens uses fake documentation to get what? handouts? By that I guess you mean things like welfare, etc? Well, I know what is required to get welfare and food stamps and other "handouts"... you need social security cards *and* birth certificates for EVERYONE in the family - young or old. You need marriage certificates, proof of address, a bank account, proof of work or proof you are actively looking for work. You really think it's so easy for some Mexican guy to sneak across the border, with a only few bucks in his pocket, -- oh, let's not forget the wife and kids he's draggin' along, because you don't GET welfare or food stamps without wife and kids -- to find someone on this side to provide him with ALL those documents for his family, (for free?) JUST so he can collect handouts? Really?
And where does he pick up his check without a mailing address? How does he open a bank account without a drivers license, social security card and proof of residency? No bank account, no food stamp card, and no welfare direct deposit either. Yeah, its a big giant conspiracy. THOUSANDS of illegals all flocking here to collect their 200 a month in food stamps. Uh-huh. Ok. You win.

Ken, here's more for You:
Both sets of my grandparents came into this country via Ellis Island, in the early 1900s. Only one set were actually married already when they arrived here.
It was hard. They were all under-educated, poor and did not speak much English at all. But they worked whenever and wherever they could find work. Eventually the children that came along learned English first from friends and neighbors, then from school- and taught the older people at home English. Kids also worked and contributed to the family.
The depression came along and things were even harder. But one thing ALL immigrants had, was at least a CHANCE to work hard, and strive for a better life for themselves and their kids.
There was plenty of prejudice and bigotry towards all the immigrant groups that came, whether Italian, Irish, Polish, German, or Jewish. But they persevered. You keep saying now a days immigrants just want hand outs .... well, if we would allow immigrants to come in, get documented, just as we did back then, what makes you think they wouldn't try to work, and 'make it' and to fit in?
Why can't they even get the CHANCE to try - like our grandparents or great-grandparents did?
Because (generally) our prejudiced attitude today is much much worse than any bigot or hater back then, that's why. We seem to believe we can slam the gate on everyone else now.
I don't think that's right. And I never will. We need a fair and REASONABLE system for immigration.

Oh, this sounds so much like the immigration law quotas established in the early 1900's to keep "undesirable" immigrants from landing on our shores. Usually the ones who used a lot of garlic in their cuisine, and who spoke languages that were not of Anglo Saxon origin.

Yes, Ken, I can see thousands of Americans who are lined up to pick blueberries and tomatoes in the fields of Cumberland, Gloucester and Atlantic Counties,. and who are pounding on the doors of landscaping contractor businesses, clamoring to work in the hot sun of the Jersey summer.

Organized crime is organized crime. Doesn't matter if it's a member of MS13, Bloods or the Gambino's. They're all a bunch of low lifes and losers. Paul Castalono and John Ghotti wore suits and liked to pretend to be businessmen when in fact they were nothing but trash.

Diogenes: I think what I meant to say was... back in the day when our ancestors came here to America they came with something other then with their hands out. My reference regarding "organized crime" and the street gangs, is if the Mafia took ya out, they had good cause to do so... NOT That it makes it right. BUT with these gangs today, they just go into barber shops and kill people for the joy of it. With organized crime, if you were killed, there was a reasoning behind it. Neither group killed just for the sack of killing..... Neither one is correct but.... gangs are just out of control....

YES and I spelt sake wrong ... I spelt it sack....LOL, sorry...

Well obviously you must be correct in everything you stated since you have an advance degree.....LOL. I may now have your degree that you are so impressed with. But I do know my families history and how they came here and what they needed to do to come here LEGALLY. I also know people in different businesses who deal with the illegals and they tell me how they will have numerous fake social security numbers and other fake IDs. If one does not work they will just come back the next day with another fake ID. They have also told me how the illeglas are not the hard workier that liberals want everyone to believe. I guess you must just like having your country taken over by a group of people who do not even follow the laws of this country. I personally think you need a new degree in common sense.

I think that is amazing that you can trace your family roots back to this country since 1790. I am 2nd Generation from Italy. I know where my roots are from, but have a very vague idea about how my family came to America and settled here. I have looked into Ellis Island but the information there is vague as well and it's hard to pin point exactly when the family arrived. Maybe someday I will be able to dig up more history and find out more... That's amazing that you can trace back that far.... I'm actually jealous... :-)

I'm not getting involved in the larger, overarching argument we've got going on here, but I'm almost 100% positive that you are wrong about this, or at least wording it very poorly. Being here and undocumented or being here after your legal papers expired is against the law, which makes it criminal. They are called "illegal" because it is against the law; again, criminal.

FYI.

Common Sense in Silverton,
Jaywalking is illegal too -- Littering is also illegal -- you can be fined and ticketed.
But do you consider a jaywalker or litterbug a "criminal"? No?
Well, why not - they broke a 'law'....
I think many here are trying to make the point that much like drug possession laws; it's the (illegal alien) law itself that makes "criminals" out of people, not any sort of actual harmful or dangerous activity toward anyone else.
I have to agree with others that we need reasonable and viable immigration procedures to help people become legal immigrants and not criminals for no other reason than lack of paperwork - paperwork that we make nearly impossible to get.

"Common Sense in Silverton,
Jaywalking is illegal too -- Littering is also illegal -- you can be fined and ticketed.
But do you consider a jaywalker or litterbug a "criminal"? No?"

Yes? It's illegal isn't it? That makes it criminal. I'm not sure what your point was, but it's wrong.

Ok, I'll have to take your word for it then because I don't know too much about that. I'll admit I was a tad snarky with my initial response.

But jaywalkers and litterbugs are still criminals, Mattie. Doesn't mean they're bad people. Just criminals.

Common Sense, so by your logic then, it would also be correct to say "Criminals are Good People" - right? Because after all, the word "criminal" has no other meaning than one who broke Any law, no matter how insignificant.
Ok. Fine, then the word "criminal" becomes nearly meaningless. May as well stop defining illegals with that word. and on the other hand that makes us all criminals, every single one of us that has gotten a parking ticket, littered, stayed in a park after dusk, caught and kept a fish 1/8 inch short of the limit, didn't stop at a yellow light even though we could have, etc etc etc. Come on, really? You really want to go that way on this?

What are we going all the way with? Your point is these are such minor crimes that the people who commit them aren't criminals. They ARE criminals; they commited a crime, that makes them criminals. I'm not separating "little" crimes (jaywalking, littering) from "big" crimes (murder, arson). I'm defining people who commit crimes as criminals.

I'm also not making any statements as to whether they're good or bad people, which is why I included in my last post that I'm not saying they're bad. Your whole red herring argument is that I'm trying to make them out to be BAD simply because they're criminals. I'm staying neutral in the good vs. bad discussion. I'm simply generalizing the obvious and irrefutable; people who commit crimes are criminals. You came in and attempted to make it bad people vs. good people.

If you're going to use logic, then get it correct. Saying "But jaywalkers and litterbugs are still criminals, Mattie. Doesn't mean they're bad people. Just criminals." does not mean that they are good people, either.