New Artificial Reef to be Built off Ocean County For Recreational Anglers Only
Christie administration announces compromise on 'pots off the reefs' issue; new reef to be built off Ocean County
The state will build a new artificial reef off Ocean County that will provide fishing grounds solely for recreational anglers.
In a move that Gov. Chris Christie's administration hopes will mark the end of a long feud between commercial fishermen and recreational anglers, commercial boats will continue to be allowed to fish on two reefs in state waters while the new reef – which will be built north of Barnegat Inlet – will be reserved for the recreational sector.
For years, recreational anglers have pushed for laws to be created that would ban commercial fishermen from utilizing the state's inshore reefs, which were paid for through excise taxes on recreational fishing equipment.
They have argued that their tax dollars went to fund the reef program, but their access has been blocked by a large amount of commercial gear – usually lobster pots – that obstruct the reef structure below the water and make them unusable.
Commercial fishermen have argued that they helped develop the state's network of artificial reefs as well.
New Jersey operates a total of 15 reefs, though only two – the Sandy Hook reef off northern Monmouth County and the Axel Carlson Reef off Bay Head and Mantoloking – are in state waters. The rest are located more than three nautical miles offshore, meaning they are under federal jurisdiction.
Many coastal states ban commercial fishing gear from reef sites, though bills proposed to accomplish the same in New Jersey have stalled for years in the legislature and have been subject to intense lobbying from both sides.
"The Christie administration recognizes that recreational and commercial fishing are each vital to New Jersey's economy," state Department of Environmental Protection Commissioner Robert Martin said in a statement. "The commercial and recreational saltwater fishing industries provide enormous benefits to New Jersey, generating combined revenues of about $2.5 billion per year. We are confident that this compromise will address the needs of commercial fishermen and recreational anglers, and will result in restoration of federal funding that is vital to a program that provides tremendous benefits to our state."
The federal government has favored the prohibition of commercial fishing gear on artificial reefs, and due to New Jersey's lack of a ban, has withheld funding to develop and maintain the state's program.
As the compromise plan is implemented, the DEP will petition the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to restore nearly $250,000 in annual funding for artificial reef research, improvements and maintenance that has been withheld as a result of the ongoing dispute.
"We appreciate that the governor and Commissioner Martin stepped in here," said Jim Donofrio of the Recreational Fishing Alliance, a national recreational fishing advocacy group based in New Gretna. "We were kind of deadlocked for seven years."
"RFA knew all along there was going to have to be a compromise, and we got lambasted by many people," he said. "Today proves that in politics, if you can't compromise you can't get anything done."
The compromise measure was also endorsed by Anthony Mauro of the New Jersey Outdoor Alliance.
"Commissioner Martin's pledge is a giant step towards resolving gear conflicts, and addresses many concerns expressed by recreational anglers," he said in a statement. "Though the restoration of federal funding to the New Jersey Reef Program is requisite for a final resolution, we are very encouraged by the prospect of an equitable conclusion to what has long been an obstinate problem.''
Donofrio said the RFA will continue to push for a statewide pot management plan and a permitting process whereby out-of-state commercial fishermen will have to pay additional fees to place pots in state waters.
Federal funding, plus donations from the recreational and commercial fishing sectors will pay for the new reef, which is expected to cost about $200,000 to construct. Artificial reefs are mainly built out of rock, concrete objects known as reef balls and even sunken boats. The objects provide habitat in otherwise flat, sandy-bottom areas of ocean floor that are not attractive to fish.
The reef site would be about one square mile in size, and its exact location will be chosen as part of a permitting process between the DEP and the Army Corps of Engineers, though state officials confirmed it will be located north of Barnegat Inlet.
"That little piece of bottom will probably hold some nice fall fish for us, and I'm sure it will attract some huge summer flounder too," said Donofrio.
George
3:20 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013
$200,000 for fishing -- but little or no meaningful help for homeless flood victims. Thanks for nothing, Gov.
Rick
4:08 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013
Notice that it says "Federal funding, plus donations from the recreational and commercial fishing sectors will pay for the new reef,".
I don't believe the governor has anything to do with those entities.
capt mark
4:14 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013
George, do you have any idea how much revenue is generated in this area with fishing?
Stores, food, fuel, hotels, its endless.
$200,000 is not that much for the work that needs to be done and with that a lot of fishing clubs will probably match that to help.
oh the flood victims got how many billions and grants??
Patricia Perillo
3:39 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013
Maybe we can pitch a tent on the reef ! If they built the reef along the entire barrier island, we would not have to pay hefty flood insurance, raise our homes, remain homeless while reefs are being built. Let's build a reef in Ortley Beach, between the homes that are crumbled and laying on their side. What a vacation day that would be!
Rick
4:12 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013
Patricia, Reefs are built underwater, well offshore. You can't pitch a tent on them and they do little to prevent wave surges and flooding.
oldkodger
10:16 am on Friday, March 22, 2013
wow rick you're so smart but logic says Patricia was being sarcastic 'it's in the dictionary"
donna
4:15 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013
who is going to go fishing????? Sad ...what a waste of money...
Rick
4:40 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013
Well Donna, Not everyone wants to join your knitting and crocheting club.
Rachel
4:41 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013
You need to read Capt. Mark's comment
Rachel
4:43 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013
Fishermen
Ken
5:17 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013
I am!!!!!!!!!
MRX
4:16 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013
Have to agree with George and Pat.
Let's build that reef in Ortley Beach on the beach maybe it would protect our homes. I can't get over the mindset of the Gov. fix boardwalks and reef's and put in Home Depot's over helping building and rebuilding our homes by doing something with theses insurance company's
Rick
4:58 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013
Didn't you read the article either?
"Artificial reefs are mainly built out of rock, concrete objects known as reef balls and even sunken boats".
A few years ago off the Gulf Coast of Florida they sank an old aircraft carrier, the USS Oriskany as an artificial reef.
Wouldn't all that look neat on the beach in Ortley Beach or other shore towns?
Rick
5:03 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013
Think of the people who refused to sign easements to allow dunes in front of their property because it would spoil their ocean views. What do you think they would say about a rusty old ship blocking their view?
Rick
7:36 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013
Ray, what you are talking about isn't called a reef.
In the Netherlands it is usually called a dike and it is used to keep the North Sea out of their low lying areas.
In New Orleans it is called a levee and it is used to keep Lake Pontchartrain and the Mississippi River out of their city, sometimes.
In Sea Bright they call it a sea wall and it blocks the street level views of the ocean and sometimes keeps Ocean Ave (Rt 36) from being covered by the ocean.
oldkodger
10:21 am on Friday, March 22, 2013
rick, ray wasn't talking about those that choose to build below sea level
Rick
3:11 pm on Friday, March 22, 2013
Oldkodger, The Netherlands, unlike New Orleans, have been using their dikes to reclaim low lying areas. They have filled in large areas of the Zuiderzee and built it to a point where it is above sea level.
Rick
3:14 pm on Friday, March 22, 2013
Ray, The gov didn't 'put in any Home Depots. Home Depot opened a consulting office somewhere in Seaside to give advise to those rebuilding.
Tom Woodward
4:30 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013
How about a NJ income tax credit for Sandy Victims. Oh it is not fishy enough for the gov.
Rachel
11:05 am on Friday, March 22, 2013
Had our taxes done yesterday. Nothing for sandy victims.
Ortley Fulltimer
4:38 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013
Can you say............$35.00 saltwater fishing license?
Ken
5:19 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013
There are no plans for a $35.00 salt water fishing license. Please don't egg them on.
Rick
7:48 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013
Fulltimer, There has been talk of a saltwater fishing license for at least 20 years. It hasn't happened and probably never will.
John Mangino
4:40 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013
You know really isn't there enough new reef material out there from the Storm I think this great yes But the efforts at this time I believe should be on Marinas the water fronts Beach restoration marsh cleaning GETTING THE FISHERMAN BACK IN THE THERE HOMES AND THEN ON THE WATER
Rachel
4:46 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013
Rick, loved your post......Laughed so hard....made my day.
Rick
5:19 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013
Glad to help!
:)
MRX
5:02 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013
We sure can use some rock, concrete objects known as reef balls underneath the sand dunes, maybe there would be some protection Rick.
Ken
5:20 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013
Maybe people shouldn't live on an overgrown "SANDBAR"
Larry Cataldo
5:25 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013
about time something for the recreational fisherman, he's the one who's been paying the bill! WTG RICK your dead on!!
Rick
5:35 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013
Sure Ray.
Do you know how artificial reefs are built? They dump whatever is going to form the base into deep water and then sand, ocean vegatation and other things build up around them. This can take a long time.
They don't put the reef material in the water and cover it with sand.
In fact there are two steam engines that sank off the coast near Asbury Park in the 1850s and weren't discovered until 1985. After all this time they still look like 1850s vintage locomotives.
http://articles.philly.com/2004-09-19/news/25376475_1_steam-locomotives-steam-engines-railroad-museum
Think anyone wants to see that on the beaches for the next 170 years?
Rachel
5:51 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013
Rick, my husband is a diehard fisherman. He explained to me years ago about how reefs are created and I found it so interesting. I've seen alot of reefs on dis. channel, etc. and some of them are unbelieveable. If your not into fishing, you just don't get it.
Daniel Nee
3:21 am on Friday, March 22, 2013
Rachel - Tying into journalism and news coverage, the coolest reef I've ever fished is a sunken industrial printing press just north of Lake Worth Inlet in Palm Beach County, Fla. Caught a nice array of yellowtail and triggerfish on the many trips I've taken out there. Artificial reefs are amazing "creatures" on their own!
oldkodger
10:26 am on Friday, March 22, 2013
rick, I believe they would be worth a lot of money or in a museum not on a beach.
JustMark
2:58 pm on Friday, March 22, 2013
Hi Rick, Thanks for the link,the read and the laugh! As far as the reef goes, build it. Fed money, which is OUR money, being spent for all of us in NJ. The raed from the link was similar to the APP read but the more the better. Losing two 0-6-0 locomotives in the 1850's probably killed the Newark,NJ co. that built them. The Ironbound section of Newark was famous for that, then. They were probably in transit to AC when they lost them. I hope they raise them. Equivelent<sp> to finding a pre-Wright brothers plane that flew under power B4 they did. Almost all locos from earlier times Circa 1835, were scrapped for the metal and made anew. Perhaps Amazon CEO J. Bezos could pitch in. He just raised the Apollo 11 engines from 1969.Anyway, thanks and a good day. Keep up the good work & share knowledge and your wit. Mark
Rick
4:10 pm on Friday, March 22, 2013
Mark, Those engines might be too fragile to be retrieved by now. But another person who might try is Clive Cussler. He located and raised the confederate submarine Hunley.
JustMark
6:41 pm on Friday, March 22, 2013
Thanks again Rick, More info the better. Maybe Discovery or History channel could get on board. Pardon the pun. My thinking is the locos were newly made in Newark/Kearny and since they had little run time they would be museum quality with some restoration. Keep your pushing of knowledge going. Your Reef IQ is important to those out there who don't know. I don't think the wife and I won't be visiting anytime soon in the old 12 ft mod V. I'll stick to Barnegat lake and bay up here in Lacey. Thanks for the update. Mark
Craig
5:48 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013
Maybe if everyone stopped bitching and put your big boy and big girl panties on and stop talking about hurricane sandy already .. it amazes me how many people had to have waterfront property and enjoy it when everything was going great, but when mother nature throws a monkey wrench in your great Paradise you look for all the taxpayers to rebuild your dream home. Too bad pay your own way and be responsible for yourselves .. I am so happy I dealt with this on my own and gave blood sweat and tears to make my home what it use to be.. I didn't need others to hold my hand and wipe my ass.... I guess that's why I have no reason to bitch at others for not distributing money the way I deam fit...
Ortley Fulltimer
6:15 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013
Gee Craig......your my hero! But you are bitching at others with your post. Do you have medical insurance? Cancel it and take care of yourself.
Rachel
6:21 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013
Love your post Craig.
MTBottle
8:09 am on Friday, March 22, 2013
I have medical insurance, and I do pay for what isn't covered....and I have home owners insurance and I do pay for what isn't covered....why shouldn't you?
John Mangino
6:24 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013
I guess the 85 year old man on my street with triple bypass is shit out luck then Craig or is it you just need a pat on the back here it is . Or my neibours wife whos been widowed as a result this storm . We will say well hey look at Craig hes Big and strong
and abile to do it all on his own .
Old Guy
6:26 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013
Big woop. Ocean county. Right. Barnegat, just about the southern most point in OC! No help to us locals. Meanwhile, both the inshore reefs off Manasquan Inlet that got decimated from Sandy, get no help...... and the commercial boys still continue to lay their traps on reefs that were paid for from private citizen donations.
Daniel Nee
3:24 am on Friday, March 22, 2013
The southern point would be Little Egg Inlet.;)
I know many a Brick and Toms River resident who use Barnegat. The railroad bridge and the canal trek often dissuade even those from the northern half of the county from heading out of 'Squan.
Xavier
1:36 pm on Friday, March 22, 2013
"Big woop. Ocean county. Right. Barnegat, just about the southern most point in OC! No help to us locals."
This is one of the dumbest sentences I've read on Patch. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Rick
3:38 pm on Friday, March 22, 2013
Barnegat isn't an oceanfront town. It is on the mainland on the west side of the bay. Actually incurred very little damage from Sandy.
Beach Haven West a lagoon community, part of Stafford Twsp also on the mainland, sustained major damage. Homes had four or more feet of water in their first floors.
Topps
6:30 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013
when are they going to remove the 300++ cars in the bay since sandy hit ??
Rick
7:05 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013
How many cars? Who counted them?
Could the real number be closer to 3 or 4?
Topps
11:39 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013
@rick the bay has so much in it that washed out in to the water from the storm that we will never know until they clean it out and until than high tides will continue to affect the beach and low line areas..You will see how many cars are in it then..bet its high ..
Rick
12:08 am on Friday, March 22, 2013
Ms Topps,
The problem with your numbers is that there aren't very many cars missing or unaccounted for.
And how will clearing whatever debris is in the bay affect the tides?
Johnjcpa
9:03 am on Friday, March 22, 2013
There are three companies working in the bay right now. I've seen them several times when I walk along the bay and pick up litter.
Rachel
9:30 am on Friday, March 22, 2013
Topps, your info. is incorrect. Didn't you read the article last month? 5-6 cars, about 58 pieces of homes, sheds, you name it. Public works in Bayville can provide more info. and the internet.
Rick
2:54 pm on Friday, March 22, 2013
Actually, I've only read about one car in the bay and that was stolen and later dumped into the bay near the Tunney Bridge on the Toms River side of the bay.
Since cars don't float amost any car in the bay would most likely be seen especially at low tide.
Local4Life
6:31 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013
Craig is obviously not very smart. I too am rebuilding my home, but its paid off, so I needn't be concerned with flood insurance. I wouldn't tell everyone else to u now what off. I fear a millionaire only island, which would be nauseating. If Craig was going to have massive and required insurance costs he would have a different opinion.
Rachel
7:08 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013
I think your all nuts for rebuilding....it's going to happen again.
Rick
7:54 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013
They just prove that P.T. Barnum was right.
Local4Life
7:38 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013
We've had the house since the 40's, grandmom was evacuated by the coastguard in 62, this is the first time its ever had water, 2 feet of it. Gotta rebuild...
Rick
8:28 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013
Ah yes. The big stom of '62. Much of LBI suffered major damage. In Sea Side Heigths to ocean breached all the way to the bay.
Most people rebuilt and recovered on their own. FEMA didn't exist until 1979.
Building codes and other standards weren't as stringent as they are today.
Rachel
11:36 am on Friday, March 22, 2013
My husband purchased a book called great storms of the js years ago. I've read the book a couple times. Very interesting. The book shows pics of the storm of 62 and all others as well.....There is a pattern with everything on the earth. Read the book.
Nj Ghost
7:51 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013
Help me , help those, help help help gimme gimme gimme...what a bunch of whiney cry babies.....start doing for yourself and keep the freaking govt out of your lives....it's disgusting!
Rachel
9:42 am on Friday, March 22, 2013
Ghost, we're sandy victims, and I'm tired of the whining. I'm tired of talking and hearing about sandy.
Dave Sikorski
8:30 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013
I find it amazing how a story about an artificial reef site becomes a debate about storm relief.
Rachel
9:48 am on Friday, March 22, 2013
Dave, I got your point......thought your comment was funny as hell.
John Mangino
8:59 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013
I think its indication of just what really is going on ..
Martin
9:16 am on Friday, March 22, 2013
...the governor's misplaced priorities! Capt. Mike will profit from the $200,000 reef, while tens of thousands of homeowners are still homeless. Resatore the Shore, not Christie's campaign treasury!
Rachel
10:26 am on Friday, March 22, 2013
just breath
Rob
9:48 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013
LISTEN--- ALL YOU COMMENTORS SHOULD NOT BE GETTING ON EACH OTHER . i TO SUFFERED FROM SANDY DO NOT FISH, BUY MY FISH AT THE FISH STORE IT IS CHEAPER THAT WAY, BUT I HAVE NOTHING NEGATIVE TO SAY ABOUT FISHERMAN AND THE REEF THEY WANT. THEY WAITED A LONG TIME FOR THIS. WE MUST DIRECT OUR MISFORTUNES AT THE PROBLEM NOT EACH OTHER. THE PROBLEM IS OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS IN ALL THESE SHORE TOWNS NOT GOING TO BAT FOR THE PEOPLE SUFFERING FROM SANDY. YOU CAN NOT BLAME PEOPLE WHO DO NOT LIVE ON THE WATER TO UNDERSTAND. REMEMBER WHEN THERE WERE FLOODS IN BOUND BROOK AND OTHER INLAND FLOODING I NEVER MET ANY ONE WHO LIVED ON THE WATER DOWN THE SHORE WHO CARED WHAT THEY WERE GOING THROUGH AND IN POMPTON LAKES OR WAYNE WHO FOR THE LAST 40 HAVE BEEN FLOODED OVER AND OVER AGAIN. DID THE POLITICANS DO ANYTHING FOR THESE PEOPLE OR DID WE CARE . THE ANSWER IS NO. IF WE KEEP BLAMING EACH OTHER FOR THIS OR THAT THE POLITICIANS WILL BE HAPPY. GO TO YOUR MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEETING AND SPEAK UP AND LET THEM KNOW YOU WILL VOTE THEM OUT AND THAT GOES FOR THE GOV ALSO.
Xavier
1:37 pm on Friday, March 22, 2013
I'm not reading all those capital letters. First day on the Internets?
John McDow
12:45 am on Friday, March 22, 2013
You guys should take a look at the MBARA (Mexico Beach Artificial Reef Association) in Florida. The state designated an area that was for recreational fishing only. Then charter captains and recreational anglers raise money to fund artifical reef construction in the area. This way the commercial guys and the recreational guys stay out of each other's way and there is no government spending. Everyone wins.
re-tired
1:42 am on Friday, March 22, 2013
Listen guys let fema map the site of the reef : ( !). you will pay a million dollars for it (2) you will have to elevate it at least 19 ft in the air on pilings (3) anyone fishing on it will have to pay flood insurance (3) It will be in an A zone since it already is on the ocean (4) Even the fish will not want to live on it . (5) only the rich can afford it . That sums up my experience with fema and the dep regulations on fishing !!!!!
Martin
9:18 am on Friday, March 22, 2013
Protest meeting Sun. 3/24, noon to 2PM, Brick Munic. Bldg.
All towns welcome.
Get facts at Facebook.com/StopFemaNow or at StopFemaNow.
Save our Shore communities!
oldkodger
10:37 am on Friday, March 22, 2013
re-tired, you forgot the democrats will tax the hell out of it
michael la vecchia
5:48 am on Friday, March 22, 2013
I have heard rumors that there is a lot of sunken objects, cars, boats in the bay that will be needing to be removed. Could these be used to build the reef after draining them of any toxic fluids? My point is 2 things can get done, clean the bay and build the reef.
Rachel
11:11 am on Friday, March 22, 2013
Mike,
Read the berkeley patch....................your rumors have been addressed
Cartman
9:13 am on Saturday, March 23, 2013
The Berkeley Times is a free weekly newspaper and each town has one. Your rumors have already been addressed. You can also pull it up on the internet.
Craig
6:19 am on Friday, March 22, 2013
First local4life great name it should be local4tankingthegovt. So clown I don't own my home but still was able to use what I got from my insurance and move on. And yes I do need flood insurance and if it is very expensive I make a decision to pay it or sell my home and leave the waterfront life. I am not one of the idiots who feel that after this storm that flood insurance should go back to the original price. If you can't afford where you live pack it up and move to a place where flood insurance isn't needed. STOP SPONGING OFF OF THE GOVT PEOPLE.
MTBottle
8:06 am on Friday, March 22, 2013
Amen, brother.....
Ortley Fulltimer
11:58 am on Friday, March 22, 2013
A lot of tough talk from someone who doesn't even own a home.
billy jones
6:38 am on Friday, March 22, 2013
How about the state cleans up the 250 gallons of diesel fuel that the captain of the Southern comfort ditched in the inlet.
The Captain
7:54 am on Friday, March 22, 2013
Its amazing by all the comments how many true MORONS are out there. People bitching about fishing and how its not important and supposedly nobody cares or fishes. And they are all pissed off cuz the money isnt going to feed the poor, help the homeless, help sandy victims. Give me a freaking brake.
This has NOTHING to do with that and its NOT taking money from that or pulling efforts from it.
Get your head out of your ass and realize there are OTHER people and things out there besides you and your wants and needs and people like to fish or take small charters out on their little boat fishing and maybe make a few bucks to help pay for the new roof they just had to put on from hurricane damage.
This is part of the reason our country is being run by idiots right now and our rights are being taken away like back in NAZI Germany. Because people only seem to care about what THEY want (like free stuff from the OBAMA team) instead of whats best for our country.
But as long as your happy I guess thats what counts.
Ok. Im done ranting for today. I feel better now.
Rachel
9:51 am on Friday, March 22, 2013
Well said Capt.
Local4Life
8:50 am on Friday, March 22, 2013
Craig, that check from fema was government money, people want it back, please return the money, you weren't paying enough premiums, you have stolen from me and everyone else in the United States, you sponge. I am building my home all by myself, I don't need help!
Also to fishermen, sorry for where this board went. A new reef for recreational anglers is a great idea. We should build more, the cost is minimum. Building them out of destroyed sandy boats would make for a good story, boats work great, I have dove many boat recks and they attract and amazing amount of marine life. If the governer can take $25,000,000 of the sandy relief money for advertising the shore, why not spend $200,000 on a reef?
shorefriend
12:07 pm on Friday, March 22, 2013
I think this is so cool, I wish I knew how to fish. I never knew about these artificial reefs in Jersey. I think this is a good thing. And really ok can we please stop the poor me my house is flooded, damaged, FEMA crap! I got flooded too, enough already life goes on!!
MTBottle
1:51 pm on Friday, March 22, 2013
I heard a conversation regarding 4 safes that were salvaged and are at a local police department waiting for someone to claim them......If true I find it interesting, why would someone not report safes missing, or claim them.....maybe they weren't supposed to be found.....
Rick
4:16 pm on Friday, March 22, 2013
A conversation? Sounds like a rumor or urban legend.
And why would someone not claim them? It isn't like they would have to open them in police presence.
Larry Cataldo
7:04 pm on Friday, March 22, 2013
by the time this reef will be functional, most of the people that wrote these posts, will be pushing up daisies or eel grass, depending on how close you are to the water!!!!
ThatGuy22
7:22 am on Wednesday, March 27, 2013
regardless of what happens you can't control any of it....storms reefs whatever...we are all Americans and have just been rolling with the punches everyday. Get over it
Rick
8:35 am on Wednesday, March 27, 2013
http://www.emergencymgmt.com/training/12-Myths-Disaster-Preparedness.html