So it's ok for them to stay at the later bars and continue drinking...and then drive?

The resolution was authorizing the borough attorney to look into and draft an ordinance. Without that authorization, the borough attorney can't do anything. It is a cost saving measure. All the resolution moved forward was having the attorney work on it, before which he should not have done much more than to see it briefly and be aware it was going to be discussed.

This Mayor and council operate like "fast and cheap airlines"

The pilot came on the intercome and says to the passengers," I have good news and bad news" The bad news we are lost, the good news we are making great time"!!

You were either not at the meeting last night, didn't understand, didn't listen, or are deliberately choosing to explain things however you choose with no regard for what was actually discussed. I'm not sure if you have any type of legal background, but I will give your supposed relative who is a retired Superior Court Judge the benefit of the doubt and say that he was relying on your inaccurate account. What was passed was authorization for the borough attorney to research and draft an ordinance, which means the borough attorney will now research, draft and advise accordingly. The proposal in its preliminary phase would cease all sales of alcohol between midnight and 6am at all establishments in Point Beach with a liquor license. Understand something, the town council is well within its right to limit the sale of alcohol in such a manner and stop there, nothing illegal. However, the proposed idea would include within the ordinance a mechanism by which the bars that so choose would be able to extend their sales of alcohol beyond the hour of midnight by paying a certain amount multiplied by their occupancy rate. The purpose of these monies would be to deal with the additional resources necessary as a result of the later bar closings. Nobody threatened anybody. The basis is, we are ceasing all sales of alcohol at midnight, legally and based on police recommendations. If you would like the opportunity to stay open later, we will provide a mechanism by which you may do so.

When Sea Girt closed the bars early the cops started doing coke. Remember that ?

Puppet, you should be if your not,the attorney. Melissa, go back and read this story here on Patch. Either they reported it wrong or your trying to cover your tracks As written, the story describes a Quid Pro Quo arrangement whereby the council seeks paymnets from the license holders or suffer the consequence. Council openly discusses their thinking. Pay us or we will close you down at mid night.
. Any action where the governing body would impose such restrictions on the liquor license holders must be approved by the ABC. NJ Alcoholic Beverage Commission. Gov Christie just appointed the new acting Director of the ABC. Melissa, want a wager on how the ABC will view this proposed maneuver.

@Funnygirl: I'm posting abbreviated NJ Statutes for Melissa and others...

33:1-40. Municipal regulation of number of retail licenses, hours of sale, etc.
...The governing board or body of each municipality may, as regards said municipality, by ordinance or resolution, limit the hours between which the sale of alcoholic beverages at retail may be made...and, subject to the approval of the commissioner first obtained, regulate the conduct of any business licensed to sell alcoholic beverages at retail...

33:1-41. Appeal from limitation of number of retail licenses or hours of sale
If any person affected or who might be affected by any limitation of the number of licenses or of the hours between which sales of alcoholic beverages at retail may be made shall consider himself aggrieved thereby, he may appeal to the commissioner in respect thereto and thereupon the commissioner, after public hearing, may set aside, vacate and repeal the limitation complained of or change, alter, amend or otherwise modify the same.

Oh good...we're at the part where anonymous bloggers with pseudonyms like "Puppet," "Funnygirl" and "Spooner" start lecturing on the law. Unless you can show me that you are qualified to do so, which I suspect you cannot as that would require telling me who you are, please do not try to educate me on the law. My answer is not rhetoric and does have merit. Your response is inaccurate and ridiculous. A bar being able to stay open until 2am is not an undeniable right. Just because a bar that has been in business for years was previously able to stay open until 2am, does not mean that a local governing body cannot pass an ordinance restricting this. Let's try this slowly...read the statute, there is nothing illegal and nothing prohibiting a local governing body from passing an ordinance that changes the hours for the sales of alcohol affecting both existing and new bars and liquor stores. That means they can in fact take away something the business has previously been able to do. I have never said they would not need ABC approval for the additional section, which if you were at the meeting you would know was discussed, and the attorney is going to research. As the article says, he is drafting an ordinance subject to change. It is in line with the quality of life issue to allow them to stay open if they pay for the necessary services. Elected officials are saying that quality of life, otherwise negatively impacted, can be improved if we are provided the resources to do so.

And yes it is all about District 4, where I live, and where bar patrons pee on lawns and disturb the peace well into the night and early morning. Every district wants a piece of the court revenue and the parking revenue, but when restricted parking was suggested in District 4 to help those residents, the first response was, "but you'll push them into my neighborhood and then I will have to deal with the problem." However, in answer to your question, the money will go to pay for the resources needed to deal with the bar crowd, including police who will be issuing summonses and generating court revenue that will then go into a budget benefiting every taxpayer in Point Beach.

"And yes it is all about District 4, where I live" - yet your Dad and gang are working on an ordinance that affects many businesses OUTSIDE of District 4, where you live.

I guess you didn't come to the meeting either. And apparently didn't read the entire article. We cannot restrict the sale of alcohol to midnight and impose that restriction only on certain bars. That is illegal. It is all or nothing.

Actually, I was at the meeting. And pushing this on businesses all over town, because of 2 places in 1 area.....is wrong.

Tell me, how many "extra services" (which are a towns responsibility) are Frankies, 709, The Ark, The Wharfside, and Shrimp Box requiring?

Hey all of you in district 4, if you don't like it MOVE (that includes the happy Barellas) The town dynamics in that district have been the same for the last 40 years. We now just have more complainers who feel entitled.

The fact is that 45% of tax payers in town are Non-Resident tax payers. So adding a tax if they rent will not go over to well.

Well said Brettskey. You have hit the nail on the head and I'm sorry to inform you, there's a new tax for that as well.

And Oscar,you are an idiot!!!!!!!!!!!

how much is it costing YOU.....please post an invoice of YOUR cost ......a private business is not COSTING YOU , a bloated government of public employees is costing you !

@johnny - sorry dude, you can't target certain bars which /i think in your line of work is profiling !!! Yikes! State law will not allow this half wit idea to hold water. Its either 12 midnight for all or 2 am for all and I think after these ELECTED OFFICIALS meet a room of angry business owners and residents they will realize this is a bad idea, if not they better start letting the po po they won't need about half the department in 2013.

Broadway, problem place? I'm willing to guess you got tossed out of there and the closest liguour store was was the one NEXT to Joe Leones.

@where's the beach: I posted abbreviated NJ Statutes due to space limitations above. The law states what you say. . .

I don't believe that every problem is caused by the Boardwalk,I do know that the Chief came up with a figure (I believe it was somewhere around $140K(to be sure,you would have to contact the Chief)that was strictly due to specials and late night shifts that had to be there either for or on the Boardwalk. I will look for the email with the breakdown,it was given to the reps of Jenks,when they requested a resident/Jenks meeting to discuss the quality of life issues. That was before the summer started(I think last April) I am assuming that being that last summer has been the worst statistically(again as per the PD) that the number has increased. The $95,000 special appropriations that was passed in mid summer is coming out of taxpayers pockets....Do you not agree?

m bro - all very good points my friend, Points that none of these people thought of before opening their mouths and making headlines. This is all a scamming scare tactic that might land some officials in hot water. I'd pay to see the ABC commissioner look at this with a straight face. Great point about the rentals being a problem also. Isn't a certain councilman one of the people who rents to these animal houses. Maybe we should charge him a couple hundred thousand

I apologize,the figure that the Chief gave them was the special events which was approx 140k not the 12-3 I am trying to get the other figures.

Why do you consider police services an extra? Are they performing some non-standard duties? Are they doing anything outside of their normal LE job?

Nope. Group rentals are not occurring here just so they can drink at the Boardwalk between 12 and 1:30. That is just 1 small part of their overall stay. What will happen will be more business for the taxi services and unfortunately more business for the FD/EMS with more drunks driving to other places.

Darlene, try writing that post again....it's a bit tough to follow.

You say the boardwalk does not want to pay...they pay their legal taxes, on time. They take care of the town's public restrooms at their own cost. They take care of the town's garbage cans on the boardwalk at their own cost. You know they are very supportive of local charities and the schools.

Can you name 1 single other business in town that comes anywhere close to doing as much for the town?

I know of a few businesses that have the town pick up their garbage for free...

A Resident, Sorry... I know it is hard to follow my comments. I was in a rush and tried to shorten my comment. That never works for me. I am not trying to be nasty. I do not care if some agrees and others do not. That is why they call it an opinion. Just like everyone else on here. The town appears to have a Power issue on all sides and no one wants to give. We all pay our legal taxes. I feel the boardwalk does not pay enough to cover the impact their customers create. We can all argue back and fourth that they pay more taxes. I am not to sure about that. Part time residents who own ocean front homes are paying the same amount of taxes as some of the BW according to some of them and they do not use anywhere near the services or impact that the BW does and they do not use the schools either. Because that is what many of the business go to right away. We pay school taxes and do not use the schools. That is the way NJ does business, All Businesses pay school taxes and do not us the schools in every town. Not all businesses have an impact on a town. One Example of many.... Take Merck's in Linden, they do not use the schools, pays a lot in taxes....They do not drain their town with their impact and it keeps the residents taxes real low. They also give a lot in donations. They know it is not the school's or residents fault the way the state does business.
When I say the BW, I am not just referring to Jenks.

A Resident, Part 2.... The BW does take care of the town's bathroom. I know they do not have to, but it mainly benefits their customers. We did not have the money for this service. Other option would be to close it down. If the town can't keep up with the garbage, the BW will wind up looking trashy. Now we have the BW that needs to be replaced and repaired, guess what we do not have the money,,,, What are we to do?... rope it off or don't let any visitors on because it is deemed unsafe..... These are the reasons why the Mayor has been trying to get an impact tax, event fees, or police services. He knows as a town we need them to support the tourist that come here. Lets face it, I think most would admit where everyone wants to go in the summer months. The taxes they pay just does not cover enough of what they use and we need. I know they give to local charities and the schools. I think that is very nice, positive and NO they do not have to do this. It is their choice, but by them doing so, it does not take the place of the extra services that is needed or for the town to look away. When I give to charities or to the schools, I can't expect to get extra services for it or anything in return. Some other residents might not agree with the same organizations I give to. You have to give from your heart or don't give at all. I think most understand how I feel about the garbage. The town should not be paying for any businesses. No other town does this. It needs to stop.

A Resident, Lastly... I am just getting sick and tired of everyone complaining. No one seems to be happy. Some do not want to pay for the schools, yet they want good schools. They have no problem bragging and using them when they are looking to get top dollar for their house when they are ready to sell. All the employees want raises every year wether they work for the school, is a police or municipality. Every side wants the other to take a freeze, again no one is happy. The same individuals do not want taxes to go up and they work for the town in some capacity. How can this happen if they are getting contracted raises that you can't violate? Insurance increases, towns pensions obligations. They are even tired of paying for themselves. Those some individuals do not agree with the impact taxes either. How is that going to work if the same individuals do not want their taxes increase. I know the school budget and the town budget are separate but it is one town and we the residents are paying for both. Everyone can't have your cake and eat it too! That is why I said, Don't complain when the town sinks and Good Luck!! Either stop complaining, just pay your taxes and if you do not like it then do something to change it. Do what you feel is right, do what you believe in. Support the side you want. We should be able to agree to disagree.

Mrs. Motto,

I'm just curious and trying to understand your ideas -- Please give me your opinion on this simple question:

Which "municipal services" do you think that businesses ARE entitled to receive for the tax dollars that they contribute to the general budget?

You said they should NOT receive any garbage pick up or police services. So, what SHOULD they receive in exchange for their tax dollars?

In all sincerity -- I'm really trying very hard to understand your perspective. But with all due respect -- Do you feel that local businesses should simply pay their taxes and support the general local infrastructure -- just merely to exist -- and not recieve any services in return?

Kristin,
Like I said, you do not have to agree with me. I never said the businesses are not entitled to police service if they have a problem with someone at their place of business, from shoplifting, disturbance, fighting etc....... I just feel the BW area, especially when the bars let out in the summer is excessive. We need more police during that time to protect that area to keep everyone safe including the visitors. Never mind the residents in that area to keep the quality of life in check. I also feel we need to crack down on the animal house rentals. If we have an ordinance in force, use it. If is not strict enough change it so it is. As far as garbage, like I have said before, What other town picks up garbage? I do not think you will be able to give me one. If you do know. Please let me know. What does other businesses do in other towns? They pay taxes to the general budget and guess what, the town still does not pick up their garbage. I am really surprised that another Business did not try to sue the town. In the sense you pick only some businesses garbage up and not others. Most businesses factor in their prices to their customers for garbage removal. So what you are saying is that you do not mind picking up and paying for businesses customers garbage.

Kristin,
I guess what I am finding odd. Why does Point Pleasant Beach have such a problem with impact fees that will be affecting the customers of the businesses? They are the only resort town that puts up such a stink. The businesses will not be the ones who is paying for them, it is their customers. Most beach resort town has them including NJ which I find ridiculous that they allow some towns with in the same state and not others. I would at least like to know the answers to that. Every beach resort town that I have been away to on vacation I have paid a variety of impact fees, most do not care when they are on vacation and even if they do, they have no choice. I just do not understand the concept why any resident would not be happy that their town was receiving an impact fee for their town from their businesses customers Because most know it helps their town and saves taxes for them that they otherwise will have to pay.

What discussion would need to occur on these activities? Are you saying that you, as a sitting Councilman, are unaware of those facts? Would re-stating what people already know the boardwalk businesses do accomplish anything?

What are you needing to discuss from my statement? The paid taxes? The restroom cleanups? The garbage pickups?

What part of any of that is debateable?

My concerns are very simple....a safe town protected by reasonably paid/staffed LEO's. Right now...I'm fairly happy in this town.

Where's the beach, Sorry.... See my comments and opinions to A Resident..... I am not asking for you to support or believe in what I do. It is a matter of opinion. That is what you support and believe in. You are entitled to believe and support what ever you want and others do not have to. We can all agree to disagree respectively. To tell others to move if you do not like it is immature. Others can say the same thing to you on their opinions.

@where's the beach...Kudos Especially #7. Unbelievable how many people think the town picks up Jenkinson's garbage. The only logical explanation I can think of is that they're confused, because they see the DPW collecting residents trash up and down the boardwalk area.

@Where's, Sorry that I confused. I will try again. 1) I pay my taxes on time too!, Hopefully most do. 2) As of yet, I did not file to lower my assessment on my house, but thinking about it. I mean if all these residents followed this procedure that Jenks did because they felt if he won the assessment so can they. Why should I have to pay for everyone else because that is exactly what happens. The money has to come from somewhere so it is divided amongst all the rest of property owners that did not file for an assessment. 3) Donations are nice and NO they do not have to do them. But again it is their choice. Just because they give donations it does not mean they are exempt from paying or should expect special treatment. There is a lot of individuals and companies that give donations. That does not make the exempt or should expect special treatment or look away. It is like saying I gave a donation to the Church and the school and I expect special treatment and exempt to look away. Someone else in town might say I do not agree in giving to the Church or School. It is personal choice and it should be from the heart. Nothing in return. 4) I am almost sure most know by now the BW has a private hauler to pick up their garbage. When it change over to that I do not know. That was a councilmen that spilled that, personally I think it was intentional because he wanted others to start the ball rolling, so he did not have to do it. No, the councilmen is no longer on council.

Where's the beach, We can go back and fourth on these issues. It is nice that you support the BW and that is your choice. No one is saying they do not do a lot, but again, Majority of your points they should be doing with the exception of All the many donations. Do WE the residents owe them because they have money and decided to give to all these donations? Is that is what you are trying to say? Because a lot of residents do not have the money to give nor others might not agree with giving so much. Doesn't Jenks own a high number of rentals in town? I agree that some of the businesses in town benefits from the BW, but not all of them. Some tourist just want to go to a specific restaurant because the food is good and has nothing to do with the BW. Some have their own following. Most that are coming to the town, are coming to the town, not the BW and vise versa. In the summer the BW is where most of the tourist want to go. What are you trying to say?We as a town or other businesses could not survive without the BW? Most towns that would even allowed or considered businesses into their town was the sole purpose of keeping the taxes extremely low, costing no expense or trouble to the residents or the town.

Joan, I think most know by now that the town does not pick up Jenks garbage. When that changed over? I do not know. Can't get any straight answer on any garbage issues. Why? I do not know? When you can't answer the impression is What are you hiding? A prior council member spilled the beans that the town was picking up certain businesses garbage. I am not quite sure if that was spilled by accident. I think he wanted residents to know because he knew it would get some residents angry and to ask questions to get the ball rolling, so the residents would start questioning so he did not have to deal with it. I did start to ask questions and I was not alone. Especially since we were having financial difficulties as a town. He proceeded to volunteer to me, do not worry it is not wet garbage. I asked him what does that mean, being I do not know a thing about garbage. He explained,left over foods. I was like what the heck else is there? He never answered but it came to a hefty amount in the hundreds of thousands... and he stated this is off season too. That is a lot of money to me. He proceeded to say it was a few hotels. Which I still do not know what else there is beside wet garbage? Was he talking about Furniture, Beds and Lamps? I still do not know. He never told me other than the huge amounts the town was paying? How and Why? Was the town allowing this including himself when he was a councilmen beats me.

Joan, Please, see comments below also. What I do not understand is how any town can pick up some businesses garbage and not others without it being a problem. I mean here is this council member telling a resident this? Why? I am not even going to tell you who the council member is because I am sure he will deny it, that is what many will do and twist it around. How would I know all this? I do not even live here that long. I am just finding all this out.

Ms. Motto: Manasquan Police salaries are getting up there: averaging about $105K(2010), 16 officers(2010) covering 2.2 sq miles. . .population down about 6.5% from 6310(2000) to 5897(2010). . .

@Spooner. Why are you giving me this information? What does their population have to do with anything? It is all about the council, to discuss giving permission for impact fees for their town not about population. The reason for impact fees is for the tourists that visit a town, which I am sure changes the population and puts a strain to any town even if it is only temporary. The residents pay, the business pay and so should the tourist pay towards the impact it creates.

Ms. Motto: last comment on Manasquan - remember you bought up the subject to me. . .and you said you follow what goes on in that town. Then you should know that Councilwoman Connolly stated at there budget meeting last year that personnel costs eat up 45% of the budget, and that by using up a lot of the surplus would cause problems next year in 2012. That's why they were proposing this July fair as the article talks about. . .to raise money. Police are the biggest personnel cost. You also are aware that the Police Chief claims that there under manned by two officers. . .so I'm showing that there population is down. . .a criteria for police staffing?

Ms Motto: one other point. . .I'm not going to let you get away with spinning the Ocean Star story. . .the headline on the front page reads: " Grosso Proposes Week Long Town Fair". . . and you also don't mention that Councilman Grasso proposes to eliminate parking attendants and install meters in there place. You just want to exploit the story for your own advantage and not tell us about everything he proposed to raise more revenue. Disingenuous don't you think?