I guess the Puffer did not due his homework again. Hope Corbally's stupidity does not cost us monie with the town attorney just to create a soapbox for him just like the porking plan.

Mr Cavagnaro: I have to agree. . .Where was the Beach Council attorney at the time this motion was approved. . .how do you conduct a Council meeting without a competent attorney. . . present and knowledgeable in "municipal law". . .He should have spoken up. . . after the vote was taken?

... this is one of the reasons. . . you got to take the hidden "pay to play" away from politicians. . .and select attorneys based on RFDs. . .not political patronage!

@Spooner, Unfortunately the last Attorney was no better. The lawyer should have spoken up. The other problem is we have council members who don't show up, Councilmen Rizzo, hasn't been their in months do to illness, yet I often seen him out in Restaurants, just this Saturday In Brielle. We have other council members who have to excuse themselves from voting all together because they do business. This is why many feel the council is dysfunctional.

@Mr Clark: as much as Mr Cavagnaro likes to cite Ordinances. . .there are statute laws that deal with Council attendance issues. . .and this. . . being in Florida while Council business is going on is a joke. . .They all take an oath to obey the laws of the state. . .they make promises to serve the citizens. . .the Council has to enforce these laws, and the people have to demand that they do? If your unable to serve. . .the right hing to do is step down. . .

@Spooner, I agree with you that council members need to step down if they are unable to serve. If you go through these posts I already stated that to Joan. I have complained about this and most of the council members seem to be guilty of this practice. Frank Rizzo missed a ridiculous amount of time do to illnesses and I felt he should have stepped down, instead he thinks he should run again which is a joke in itself. I don't agree with a telecom council that Ms. Tooker and Mr. Rizzo was allowed to do and I said that. I also don't think a council should just miss a meeting purposely because they don't want to deal with any issues that needs to be voted on. I have to say when it comes to council members, Mr. Hennessy has been the one who has missed the least amount of meetings even thought I didn't agree on how he voted on many issues.

At the last Council meeting, the Borough Clerk, who sends out bills, responded to questions that the “authority” for billing for Police is the Ordinance. Councilman Corbally is the Chair of the Finance Committee. He should be aware of the town being compensated for Police services, since that effects the current and future budget. For any business to believe that they can conduct any type of event on any scale without regard to the effects and costs to the town is absurd.

Some members of the Council did indeed waive fees for the Easter Parade, and only the Parade and Egg Hunt. Councilman Corbally therefore did not go against the Council. However, the Council did additionally classify both the Parade and Hunt as non events where the ordinance is concerned. Yet every other group, charitable or otherwise, pays to use the town’s right of way on the boardwalk. Only the multi-million dollar corporation gets the break at the taxpayer’s expense. You might remember former Mayor Pasola and the decision to not allow Bon Jovi to perform on the beach. He believed that the safety and resources of the town would be compromised even though it was on “private property”. Of course that was a different Council also. It supported the Mayor and it put the welfare of the resident first.

Mr Cavagnaro: I think the more you say . .that's ammunition your giving the BW lawyers. . .now your saying they made exceptions for Parade & Egg Hunt. . .meaning what. . .that they were waived filing an application. . . you admitted that they waived fees . . .This does not play well in a Court of Law. . .you can't have selective enforcement. If Parade & Egg Hunt are events that as you say: " For any business to believe that they can conduct any type of event on any scale without regard to the effects and costs to the town is absurd." . . .cost the town money for police. . .then the sponsor or applicant has to pay. . .If you leave it to Council... which special events will or will not be billed. . .that's discrimination and against equal protection under the law. I don't think the Courts will allow that. . .

Where extra police are used. . .they have to be paid for. . .you can't pick and choose? The Ordinance needs to apply equally to all. . . Like I said... Courts are no solutions?

David, I have said this before, The boardwalk should be charged fees for every event, no matter what event is being held. I really don't care that it is the Easter Egg hunt or the 2-1 tickets Good Friday weekend sales. It is like a zoo and police are needed just to direct traffic through out the town going to the boardwalk. They BW will use the excuse it is for the kids? Really it is for no one other them themselves. They draw a large crowd on most events, who cares how much you make, at least pay for the extra services that are needed. Why should the residents continue to pay for the tourists, they are not our customers.@ Spooner, You are making an awful a lot of excuses. Why do you have so much interest in our town?

Mr. Cavagnaro,

The Easter Parade and Egg Hunt are good family "magnet events" for PPB. I thought it was a prudent decision to waive the fees, as I would imagine required police services were minimum, since Jenkinsons hires their own private security. These events attract a family clientele -- the target audience we want to draw to PPB. I would put Fireworks and Alphonse Concerts in the same category -- positive events that attract families and seniors.

I do remember Mayor Pasola not allowing Bon Jovi to perform a charity concert on the beach. I thought that was a good decision. Remember the Polar Bear Plunge? That event was also cancelled, after then Superintendent of Schools Dr. Crawley was critically injured (nearly killed) on Channel Drive by an intoxicated patron of the Polar Bear Plunge.

So, if safety and resources of the town would be compromised even though it was on “private property”, then why did Mayor Barrella allow Snooki & the Jersey Shore cast to come film segments of their vile show in Jenkinsons bar and on the beach? Please don't tell me -- he didn't know they were here. It happened "on his watch." The Jersey Shore crew doesn't do anything in secret. If the Mayor had a healthy working relationship with the police department, the top brass should have alerted the Mayor immediately, so he could've put a stop to it at once! I can't imagine ANY Council member who would NOT have supported that decision, if the Mayor had simply asked them.

Mr Clark: is this you putting your two sense into other towns too...

Charles Clark

3:42pm on Saturday, October 22, 2011

That is the problem in many of the towns. Many of the council members, all have the habits of lying,causing trouble, have threatened, mislead and cheated the tax paying residents of their towns. I don't understand how they would think the residents are not going to find out, Sooner or "later" it will come out. To many only have their self serving interest at heart.

@spooner, I never said I didn't make comments or reference other towns having problems. It seems these problems are out in the open, reported and are state wide. It was a general opinion. You on the other hand are obsessed with our town. You seem to think you know everything about our town, Mayor and what each councilmen does in our town. Why is that? You seem to have detailed information even if it is furthest from the truth. Obviously you have some sort of self interest too.

My comments were all from statements made by the Council at open Council meetings. If you think that compromises any legal actions, go and complain to the Council. I don’t think the vote to remove anything from “event” status was prudent, yet the Council, not the Mayor, did it. That means no event application and no fees for those "events". As far as discrimination or selective enforcement, every other group fills out event applications and pays fees. Only the Boardwalk, the biggest business in town is being ignored. That doesn’t make sense and is not fair. Yet some members of the Council continue to advocate just that.

Not true. PD budget is much higher than $400,000.

@beachmom46, Way off, the police budget is more around 1.1 million.

I apologize, I meant the budget for the specials. That seems to be very important since their presence would help with the quality of life issues.

Kristin, the Council can waive fees for events. I may not agree with their choices, but it is their right. To not require applications be filled out because you believe them to be “family events” is not. Borough ordinance requires it. Past administrations have been guilty of your thinking. Are you suggesting that the Cancer Walk is an undesirable event so that’s why they fill out applications and pay fees? With applications and fees their representative still came to the Council and thanked them for permission for the walk. They raised 1.1 million. As for MTV, the boardwalk said that they just showed up. Even though they were on Jenkinson’s Beach, there was no advance notice to the police. It wasn’t the Mayor’s lack of communication. It was the Boardwalk. As far as any Council member not agreeing, I couldn’t imagine any Council member cutting the Hotel/Motel tax in spite of residents protests, but they did. Taking a vote to classify the Easter Parade on the Boardwalk as a non event is unimaginable to me, but the Council did it. The Mayor has his faults, but there’s plenty of blame to go around on the Council. By the way, it was several years after the superintendent was critically injured that the event was finally cancelled.

Mr. Cavagnaro,

Let's be clear. I never said that applications should not be filled out. I said I thought it was a wise decision for the Council to waive "family-type" event fees. That's who we want here -- families! Or maybe you really don't want them here either?

Whether or not applications should be filled out seems to be the crux of the dispute between Jenkinsons and the governing body. That's the private versus public property dilemma. Perhaps, only a judge will decide the legal outcome of that dispute in the future. But, I sure hope the litigation costs don't bankrupt the town, because at that point 17 furlough days will be the least of our worries.

Look -- we can agree to disagree with how best to service our family tourist industry. The Breast Cancer walk is not an "undesirable event" as you mention, but it does affect the entire town. Cars were parked almost into Point Boro last Sunday, but it only lasted a few hours. I realize that if you had your choice all charity walks would end, all special events would go away, and the boardwalk would be nothing more than that -- just wooden boards to walk on.

I shutter to think of the skyrocketing property taxes and the declining parking revenue the Beach would suffer if your wishes came true. You might be the only one left who could afford to live here. The one or two police officers you might be able to afford could stand on your corner and y'all could count count the tumbleweeds blowing in the wind.

@beachmom46, There is some who will say that the Mayor cut the police budget. They are only giving you a very little piece of the puzzle. If anything the council over budgeted revenue brought in to our town. Mayor Barrella has repeatedly warned them that they can't do for all type of reasons. This is exactly why we had to cut the police budget because when you under budgeted the prior year it will catch up to you. You can't produce money out of thin air. No one wants higher taxes, yet they don't want to cut services in general, they want the police protection, they don't want no cuts in the schools, that want garbage pick up twice a week, the council does not want to charge the BW for event fees, tourists tax, etc.... Service is not free. So the residents can't have it both ways. I am also sure it was the Police Chief that actually cut the budget knowing we did not have the money. That is another reason why we had problems with some tourists. We did not have the man power or money. When things started to get overwhelming out of hand, the Police Chief asked for additional money and even then some council members didn't want to give all the money that was recommended, they wanted a wait and see approach. I can tell you which council members because I go to meetings unlike some. Why bother? They will only deny it or put a spin on it. I am just curious, Do you go to town council meetings? Because if you did, you would have seen this all for self.

Now’s who’s spinning Kristin. Who was the first Mayor who decided not to enforce applications for special events? Because someone decided, as you stated, that there are good family events, the decision was made not to enforce the law. That past practice is now forcing us into litigation. You keep putting words in other people’s mouths to try to discredit them. I’ve never suggested closing the boardwalk or stopping walks and runs. You made the comment that events that draw families shouldn’t pay. I saw a lot of families participating in the cancer walk. What “I realize” is that the Boardwalk promotes many events that impact the town and parking, but you don’t hold them accountable to the same standards as the Cancer Society and other non profit organizations. You try to paint a picture that everyone who disagrees is bad by painting fictitious pictures of eliminating the boardwalk and all tourism and the town going into financial ruin. Keep spinning Kristin, I think more people than ever understand what’s going on.

Councilman Corbally, in what year did you obtain that position with Monmouth Beach?

Councilman Corbally,
You mentioned something about OPRA requests?

Respectfully, I don't know what you mean about a PI or how that relates to your past employment in Monmouth Beach.

However, I recently read that you were served with an OPRA (Open Public Records Act) request from Mr. Reid more than a month ago -- asking for copies of all your emails between certain dates regarding any and all discussions with the Mayor and the residents about the controversial Parking Plans.

My understanding was that there was a legal statutorial deadline within which you had to disclose those emails that you referenced at a Council Meeting. I thought Mrs. Ellsworth, the Borough Clerk indicated that 9 days was the limit?

Have you satisfied that OPRA request yet?

Mr. Reid filed an OPRA request for all e-mails I sent out between January 1st and February 15th concerning the parking plan I was proposing and the March 1st Vintage Auto Museum meeting and conversation after that he was invited too, along with your brother, and Councilman Dyer. Those e-mails he has.
Part 2 was all e-mails I received during that same time frame from residents in connection with parking. I believe that request infringes on the privacy of all private citizens that want to speak to their elected officials. Someone could have asked for e-mails about prayer, cats, trees etc.? Why should residents become subject of personal attacks for speaking with their elected official? Especially when the only purpose is for political purposes? I have consulted my own attorney for legal advice and will follow his instructions. If this is allowed, what will keep Big Brother from making us tape our phone calls from residents?

Councilman Corbally, are you saying that you are refusing to comply with the portion of the OPRA request that seeks e-mails you received from members of the public?

I doubt any answer will satisfy you, but one last try. First, I have read the League of Municipalities book on our Borough form of government. No where does it state that if you only have the minimum number of 3 Councilmen in attendance or voting, their votes must be in unison to be valid. I have never heard it stated at a Council meeting in over 10 yeras of attendance. That rule seriously compromises Council business. There are many possible occasions that abstaining Council members could only leave three voting. If its not been pointed out in open Council meetings, do you seriously expect Council members to know more than the attorney. There were 2 votes last Council meeting where only 3 members were voting where the attorney should have spoken up and did not. I expect paid counsel to advise the Council BEFORE they make a mistake. I don’t care whose political camp you’re in, you should expect your Borough Attorney to look out for the best interests of the Council.

If, as you suggest, it was discussed in closed session, then the ENTIRE Council would be complicit in an illegal vote on two occasions. I don’t believe that was the case.

Mr. Cavagnaro, since you have that book handy, look up quorum. A quorum is 5 persons, right? What's a majority vote of 5 people? 3, right? Mayor only gets to vote when there's a tie. So, you need a vote of 3 when you have 5 people present? As for the rule compromising Council business, that's not accurate. Even with conflict of interest situations, occasionally members can still be required to vote. Think about that vote on the Elks Club fundraiser. If you recall, several members of the Governing Body were technically conflicted out of voting due to their relationship with the Elks Club, including the Mayor. However, based on the need to get business done, the Mayor was called upon to cast the deciding vote, which he did when he voted not to approve the fundraiser.

@Sand, Many have fallen into the Barrella camp, the town council member leaves the residents with no other choice.

Sand, please pay attention. You’re wrong. In the book, a quorum is THREE Council members. You do the math. If there are only three Council members, apparently the current legal opinion of our attorney was that all three votes have to be the same. I don’t question the law. I question an attorney not advising the Council of the problem until days after the meeting. The conflict issue you mentioned regarding the Elks was discussed and approved by the attorney. No such option was presented by the attorney, since he never advised of the problem.

Mr. Cavagnaro, there were 5 members of the governing body present at this meeting. The quorum number was 5. A majority of 5 is 3. The borough attorney was actually asked for his opinion on how to handle the Elks situation. Now, do I think the borough attorney should be more aggressive in providing legal advice during the meetings? Absolutely. But, the people and the Mayor don't seem to always like when the Borough Attorney is more aggressive. I've heard the Mayor actually say that he doesn't agree with the Borough Attorney's advice. So, how would you have liked to have seen that handled? The Borough Attorney should butt in, give his advice, and then the Council members vote on his advice, first? Since the question involved the number of votes needed, how would they even have voted on whether to accept the Borough Attorney's advice?

Sand, if you are referring to the last Council meeting, which I was, there were 4 Council members and the Mayor. Councilman Dyer was abstaining from the vote. Therefore only three voting members left. A tie was impossible, so the Mayor couldn’t vote. There are two interpretations that I’ve researched. First, even though the Mayor isn’t voting, he’s part of the quorum of four and therefore a majority is three. Second, since the Mayor can’t vote a majority of the voting members is two.

The Council is not mandated to take the attorney’s advice. However, the attorney has the obligation to give advice before a compromising vote is made. Whatever past attorneys have done or the public likes or dislikes does not abrogate the Borough Attorney’s responsibility to protect the Council from bad practice. He did not. It’s that simple no matter how you try to spin it.

Mr Cavagnaro: state statute governing Municipal Council quorums reads as follows...

(UPDATED THROUGH P.L. 2011, ch. 136, and JR 8)
TITLE 40 MUNICIPALITIES AND COUNTIES
40:69A-180. Rules of procedure; quorum; ordinances and resolutions; presiding officer; compensation

(a) Council shall determine its own rules of procedure, not inconsistent with ordinance or statute. A majority of the whole number of members of the council shall constitute a quorum, but no ordinance shall be adopted by the council without the affirmative vote of a majority of all the members of the council.

..the question is whether or not the action taken . . .since it's not an ordinance, can be acted upon by the town government. . . where cleary, there's no quorum. . . as defined here. . .The Mayor can not be part of the whole majority of members, since he doesn't vote(with the tie exception). . .but I guess you might make an argument. . .in an emergency?

I also came across this body of law which appears to include resolutions...

(UPDATED THROUGH P.L. 2011, ch. 136, and JR 8)
TITLE 40 MUNICIPALITIES AND COUNTIES
40:81-20. Quorum; procedure at meetings

A majority of all the members of the municipal council shall constitute a quorum and the affirmative vote of a majority of all the members shall be necessary to take any action or pass any measure, except as otherwise provided by law. Every resolution or ordinance shall be reduced to writing and read before the vote is taken thereon, and the vote upon every motion, resolution or ordinance shall be taken by yeas and nays and entered on the minutes, and the minutes of each meeting so recorded shall be signed by a majority of all the members of the municipal council and the municipal clerk. No member shall sign minutes of a meeting at which he was not present.

Sure it has been thriving for all these years off the backs of the residents. The well is dry, now pay up or go away.

Spooner, thank you for the research. Based on what you provided a minimum vote would have to be four. With only four members present and one abstaining any action by the three may be questionable. So how did the attorney decide that three instead of two was acceptable? Again more questions for the attorney to clearly explain to the Council and the public. In any event, thank you for the information and insight.

Mr. Clark, if you're referring to your ability to have such a party on your own private property, which I'm guessing is a house, then you're right. You wouldn't be allowed to do that. Among other things, your home is probably located in a residential zone. As for the "normal course of business," that language was put in there 20 years ago when the ordinance was adopted. In other words, the people who chose to write that ordinance and put it in place by voting on it, were willing to include this exception. For 20 years, that language has been there. And, Barrella has lived with it for the past 3. Corbally lived with it years ago. Get rid of the ambiguous language and you solve the problem. If you want it to apply to Memorial Day events on the boardwalk, then just say it. Isn't that what the Reid campaign has been saying for a while now? That the ordinance needs to be amended to eliminate the ambiguous language?

Mr. Clark,
As stated above, Jenkinsons already hires PRIVATE SECURITY for many of their events that draw the positive "family" clientele. Therefore, more efficient "management practices" from Borough Hall would dictate keeping taxpayer-funded municipal police services to a minimum for those events. ie. Easter Parade, Egg Hunt, Disney Movie nights, Fireworks, and concerts (Father Alphonse concerts are now performed by one of his proteges.)

I agree with Mssrs. Reid, Mayer, and Cortes who have strongly advocated having the boardwalk businesses cover the cost of additional police services associated with their late-night bar crowd. Their team would also examine/clarify Special Events ordinances to tighten them up in more black and white terms, omit the "gray areas" of the language, thereby making them less vulnerable to lengthy/costly litigation.

I respectfully disagree with your blanket statement about mandating ALL "event fees". Instead of re-acting with iron-fisted hysteria, I would like to see a cost analysis done for each "event" on a case-by-case basis.

Example: "For EACH event, which avenue would generate more revenue and a greater benefit to the municipality -- the parking revenue brought in by the event - versus - the 'event fee' that would be paid by the owners who host the event?"

Obviously, if the "event" was to go away, the parking revenue would also go away. If the "family events" go away, what do you think will be coming in their place?

Ms Hennessy;

I bought those points up. . . Suggestions that were made along time ago. . . that your mentioning again. . .Mr Clark completely ignored them. . .he seems to be very dogmatic and fixed in his ways. . .It's my way...and no meeting of the minds for him. . .

...and Mr Clark as for your comment. . . go do some homework. . .you appear to be too "you" focused. . .a lot of things have been going on between these two towns. . for starters: .Barrella made that an issue in his recall lawsuit two years ago . . . there's no "iron curtain" out there. . . maybe you should drive out and see?

PS: don't patronize either. . .stay on topic?

@sand, I don't know how many more times I can say this. I don't care what the event is, if we have to provide extra services because of the crowds they bring in no matter what the event is? I, AS A TAX PAYING RESIDENT, DOES NOT WANT TO PAY FOR THE CUSTOMERS OF ANY BUSINESSES. OR ANY BUSINESSES FOR THAT MATTER. I DON'T WANT TO BAIL ANY MORE BUSINESSES OUT. @Kristen, I am aware they have private security for their own benefit and needs. They don't want to be personally sued or liable if something happens being it is their private property and the reason they should be paying. What do you expect for us to pay for that too. Like David said, they don't seem to be able to handle it to well if they are calling our police. It is not an iron hysteria, it is reality, the residents are getting tired of paying for the BW, even thought you want everyone to believe they pay for us, Sure they do. I think you might have picked the wrong profession, you would have done so well at acting. You have to be one of the most dramatic individuals I ever meet. If they don't want to pay and the events go away and parking is down, then most likely we will not need all the extra funding for the police. Don't worry, families are leaving all on their own and it has nothing to do with who you think is going to taking their place. Put restrictions in if necessary, close bars at 12 or pull their liquor licenses if need be. What ever they make they make as well as us. Enough is Enough.

@ Kristen, That is the kind of council member I want in. Someone who is going to stand up to issues. Someone who is willing to do what is necessary to take the bull by the horn to do what is right for the residents for a change and stay out of the BW pockets for once.

@spooner, All the meeting of the minds wind up costing the tax paying residents money.

Kristin, Jenkinson’s does hire private security. They don’t have jurisdiction on the Boardwalk. Our Chief of Police has the responsibility of assessing police needs, not Jenkinson’s or their private security force, especially on the Boardwalk which is a town right of way and therefore a liability issue for the town. There was also that issue in their parking lot that they called our police instead of their security force.

That’s a great idea about the cost analysis for each event. It happens now! Whenever an applications is filled out, departments heads from Police and DPW advise the Council of potential costs. The applicant can request fee waivers or the Council can simply decide not to impose fees. It all starts with the APPLICATIONS that only Jenkinsons refuses to fill out to start the process.

coriolanus - didn't you see the boardwalk here when you moved to town?? Why didn't you go to Lavalette or maybe you saw what they pay in property tax. Many of us moved here because of the great school and having the boardwalk here. My husband and I bring our children up there regularly for the events they do. My family loves to visit us in the summer for the same reason.

BTW coriolanus, I also enjoy Shakespeare. What is the reason you feel you need vengence?? Do you see yourself as a crusader too?

@beachmom46, I have the need to respond to this question even though it was not directed to me. Hopefully you don't mind. I did see the boardwalk here when I moved to town. I just didn't realize that I was expected to pay for extra services that is provided to the boardwalk on the back of all residents. Many did not see that entire picture before moving here. Most think, how can a town like Point Beach have such a money problem with a BW business of that size and success. When you have a boardwalk that is paying only a total of 1.8 million to the town, who is paying 28 million to the state on a claimed 400 million dollar business seems to be a bit out of whack to me. Some moved here for the schools not all, I would say it was 50/50 split. That is an opinion that you think the schools are good. You are right many bring their children up to BW events, and you pay for tickets, games, food etc.... We all spend money and enjoy the event doesn't mean I have to pay it twice. If I chose to patronize a business is my choice. If many knew the town was going to cost them extra for the BW and start to go down in the dumps they would have certainly moved to Lavalette. The taxes are not that much higher, they might even be lower, their house definitely fetch a little more, they still get to go to the Beach School, they can also get to go to the frequent the BW and events too, yet they don't have to pay for them like the Beach residents. No wonder the Superintendent chose to live there.

Mr. Clark, I don't have a problem with you addressing my comment. In response to your prior question about attending council meetings. I did try to attend as often as I could; but with small children and working it was difficult. However, the meetings were lasting until 11:00/12:00 and all the fighting, so I stopped going!
In response to your other comment, our tax base is one of the lowest in Ocean County. I keep hearing that the BW costs us money. I am not be sarcastic when I ask this but how? Yes we do need extra police in the summer, but from what I read on other patch articles they handle all of the other services, i.e. garbage, maintenance of the rest rooms as well as donate a lot of money to the town. As Ms.Hennessey commented - they pay for the events that fill up the municipal lots. I do have to laugh when I see people comment on here the thousands of people that show up for these events. What an exaggeration! I am up there with my kids! We love to go to the movies out on the beach and I can tell you there is maybe 150 people there. I think we should address what the real problems are and work together! The candidates need to know that thisis about ALL of the residents - not egos and personal vendettas.

@beachmom46, I have to agree about the meetings, many were going like yourself that stopped because of the same reasons. Family comes first. Also out of pure disgust. I know all about the ego's and vendetta's that seem to be going on, very contagious. Most residents that live here, don't want to hear that we have the lowest taxes in Ocean County, the tax pct. increased a lot in the past few years. Ask Ms Hennessy, she will tell you. She has complained about taxes the past few years too, along with some other residents. The difference is, some blame the Mayor for everything. I blame the current and past council members and Mayors that knew what has been happening here in the beach. You know the problems never come out until the following years budget. It is from previous administrations. I am not saying the Mayor doesn't rub individuals the wrong way, with his arrogance. Sorry, I don't blame our current Mayor for the increase taxes. If anyone does, they are twisting it around. Any one who went to the meetings know this. That is were the spins begin. No matter how much someone dislikes someone, to blame them for something they did not do just because you don't like them is wrong. How long have you lived in the Beach? Obviously you don't know how bad the politics get in the Beach. I disagree with what has been allowed to go on in reference to the BW. We can agree to disagree in reference to the BW.

Charles - we can agree to disagree. Personally I do not feel that Mr. Barrella has moved us in that direction. The division of our community seems to be the worst I have ever seen it. What I hope everyone realizes is that on November 9th, no matter who gets elected, we will still be neighbors, friends and a community. Hopefully we can get back on track. It is sad to see so much hatred with these comments. We need leaders that will work with residents and businesses so everyone benefits.

beachmom46, We can agree to disagree, I never had a problem with that. I have heard many say this. The problem is some can't take it, Someone will say something and someone else gets mad and all hell breaks loose. Just because someone does not agree and it is on all sides. They will personally attack each other below the belt, to many adding fuel to the fire. I wish the town could get back on track, but unfortunately I just don't see that happening, not that I am not going to lose hope. No doubt, there is deep hatred and just do not know if that will go away. So many are holding on to grudges what someone did to each other one time or another. Again, so many are guilty.

Maybe a coincidence that Mr.Dyer's business took off AFTER he was on council and his biggest client(within the last year)is the BW. Maybe just a coincidence that now he gets to pick and choose what he can and cannot vote on concerning the biggest business in PPB...

@leo, It's nothing personal it is business.

Leo,
It was not a bar napkin! Mike and I used a coaster at Frankie's. Leo.........I want you to know that in your prior post you used the word " pish". What no spell check on your computer? I hope you did not attend PPB schools.

George Loder

Mr. Loder, I don't appreciate your derrogatory reference to the PPB schools. They are the best in the County, and among the top 50 in the State.

@sand, Who determines that? What group? It is just another survey of opinions? You can make any organization look pretty much anyway you want. Especially when some are promoting their own, even if there are some lies. So many organizations are over rated.

Charles Clark, follow this link. It takes you to the website that shows the rankings and how they were determined.

http://njmonthly.com/articles/towns_and_schools/highschoolrankings/top-high-schools-2010.html

M. Brodeur, I have read it. Sorry, I don't believe everything that I have read in the NJ monthly magazine. Personally, I view and see many articles as smoke and mirrors including the results of all these schools. Maybe you do and that is your rights. When you are in a system that does not hold anybody accountable will be mediocrity at best. As most public schools.

Leo,

Mr Corbally is not running for office. Mr Corbally already has beaten you because he won his election bid. Many in this town know that Mike and I were political adversaries at one time. I have gotten to know and respect Mike over the last couple of years because he is out to serve the residents of PPB and no else.

George Loder

@Sand, What do you think the total cost is to our town for all the police,benefits, pensions that are needed for all the tourists that come visit us. Let's just say the BW decided to walk away, Sold and left. Do you really think we would need all the police, specials, etc... that we currently have? That is all this town is concentrated on. We are considered the Nazi's of parking and fines that so many tourists seem to hate and write in the papers and leave comments all the time about the greed of parking and fines. People are not coming here alone for just that. So keep on raising you'r parking and fines and see how long individuals are going to say, the town is not worth it.

haha....could not have said it better myself

I never said their was two different rates, you must have misunderstood how I wrote my post. Or I did not explain myself the correct way. How I see it, the rates are the same and so are the Values, there is no difference. I was told and under the impression that business paid more because they had a higher property value? I don't see it that way. I have looked up businesses on Data Universe and I was told from a few business owners themselves what they were paying and when you compared it to a residential property, basically it was the same. I mean some businesses is only paying more because they might have two lots to your one.

@Mr Clark: property value assessments are based on location, square footage, and improvements. . .now if you really want to raise eyebrows. . .just look at the property assessments of the Jenkinsons beaches. . .way under assessed. . . in comparison with Belmar and Spring Lake. . .I asked Councilman Corbally why that was. . .still haven't gotten a reply! Wouldn't you like to buy. . . over an acre of Ocean front beach for under $600,000?

@Spooner, I am confused, I agree, that was my point, there is a few businesses that are under assessed at that was my point.

Smoke and mirrors, Is that before or after all the tax write offs? I am not that impressed with the Governor for many different reason. He is only giving you a little piece and side to the entire picture just like here in Point Pleasant Beach.

Although it would never happen, I would rather have the 100 or so homes along that mile of beach. Their could still be Beach access just do like they do in the next two towns south. That would be the best option of all. Each of those house could exceed $2 Mill with a total assesment value of 200,000,000. That would be more around $2 in taxes realized as opposed to what we get now. Also the entire towns properties would increase drastically. It would also incease values west of the canal. BYE BYE tax problem. Manto and BH might even want to merge?

@Sand, I am aware we have F/T police, I was under the impression it was 22 police, not 23, I could be wrong. According to the DCA we need 24 F/T police even though many disagree. I know the extra specials are only paid hrly. and receive no benefits, only the cost to train the specials. Then we have the ticket police, is what I am calling them. I have no idea the cost of training. I disagree when many will claim we don't need all our F/T police all year. Everyone thinks we only need 6 police during the "Winter" and that we only have tourists in our town during a few months. We are not a tourist town of just a few months like many seem to believe. We are not as deserted as some believe. We have tourist coming for at least 10 months out the year with different events. From March through December is more like it with July thru September being the most busiest. January,February being the least. A one mile town that has as many bar businesses as we do including the BW is the reason we need 24 F/T police. What are you trying to tell me? If we didn't have the BW bars, I personally don't think a BW family fun center and bars mix, I never did. You would still think we would need 22 police? I disagree. We would get rid of a lot less partier's, drinkers here in our town. Where there is bars or clubs there is trouble? We would go back to a truly BW family town it once was. Do you know a town up in North Jersey that is a 1 mile town that has 22 police?

Sand, No, I don't think this town could purchase,afford or would be capable of maintaining beach front property. Unless of corse they sell it for the value of $600,000 that Spooner claims they are assessed at. Which is a joke, it that is true.

Sand, error......" of course" Personally I like the idea of the private homes, I can't afford to go on the beach anyway and I live here. I am sure we would collect a lot more taxes then we are getting now.

Leo,did you graduate this year or last year. Tip#1 is when someone is feeding you information,you should always check it out for yourself. I have seen numerous posts of yours and they just keep getting more embarassing for you...Check your facts..I know your young but you will learn....

Even more embarassing for you that you are older and are been fed information that you are not checking up on. Maybe you should realize that you are being used to post things that have no truth to them but it seems that you are ok with being a mule with no validity...I hope you are getting paid well...at least it would make it worth it...

My neighbor are a resounding yes. I doubt that CAFRA would approve of it.The ocean view bungalow would not like it.

Built a road where the boardwalk is Broadway down to Parkway or Central with homes on the east side. South of that the lots would have to extend from Ocean Ave. It would be required to have access lanes as off of East Ave in the Two towns South.
Property values in PPB and PP would increase. The property values have inreased at a higher % in the towns without BW to our south. The impact to schools would be minimal as it would be mostly purchased as summer homes.

Blindbert, didn't the town (Open Space Committee fund) buy Risden's parking lot partly to avoid the construction of several McMansions on that property? The Risden's property was purchased in 2008, I believe. I know Barrella was Mayor because there was some big to-do about him being unavailable to sign the purchase contract. It just seems to me that not only does your idea have logistical problems, it seems contrary to some of our town's decisions in the past few years.

Some one just ask if people would rather see homes instead of the boardwalk. It is physically possible to do it. Wouldn't be approved by CAFRA, but it would be a whole lot nicer!

BB - What world are you living in? How many people can afford to have a $2 million second home in this economy?? And if that happened, how easy would it be to access the beach? I like having a season badge with bathrooms, showers and changing areas for the kids. . Who would own the beach? Who would pay the tax and run it? Even a bigger question, what about the other businesses in town that rely on tourism especially the hotels and motels? That would impact the schools. You need to think about the long term ramifications. But lastly and most importantly - I like having the boardwalk here and I think most of the other residents do too. I think the quality of life issues can be resolved with the right mayor and council. Problems can be solved but only if they truly want to solve them!

If you really care about the numbers get copies of the budgets and get educated. You or anyone else who isn't familiar with municipal budgeting should not be expected to understand exactly how they are formulated or work. Some of us have gone to classes in Trenton, and some of us have experience of studying the process both as residents and elected officials. I would be happy to spend time answering your questions if you are a taxpayer, and willing to spend time with the evil Councilman. E-mail or call me for an appointment.

Interesting,who will be taken care of if the Mayor and his crew win. Well you know Mr Gertner ( Tooker tried to get him a job earlier this year as JIF attorney) will be back, doesnt the Mayor have a outstanding bill with him? I'm sure that will be worked out. And good old Max ,didnt the Mayor put Maxes son in law on the commitee to work things out with the Boardwalk,good choice there considering Max hates them and sued the boardwalk in the past. Nothing like putting people with an open mind on a commitee. Wasnt Dave on that too ,you know Dave ( his beautifulcation comm got a $1000 raise in the budget ,the only commitee to get one ) the guy who for the last year has been writing non stop against the boardwalk and supporting Barrella this year after 3 1/2 years of talking how bad the Mayor was for the town. So when the Barrella team writes that unlike the DEMS and REP they wont be beholding to anyone ,if you believe that I got a bridge to sell you.

Dave I dont see any insulting in my post,I just said your commitee got $1000 raise. I wish you got $10,000 raise ,your group does a beautiful job mantaining and running things. Sorry you got upset , but you like to investigate things,wouldnt you think it strange that the beautifulcation was the "ONLY" committee in the Barrella/corbally designed budget to get extra money when all the others were just as needy ?and now that person who runs it does a complete about face and is overlly supporting a guy ( Mayor) he wanted to recall dispised for 3 1/2 years. I'm not saying you sold out for $1000 bucks but isnt it ironic . Again look at my post and look at yours ,who did the insulting. Keep up the good work the gardens and planters look wonderful

At least he doesn't have most of his family, and brothers and/or cousins on the dole!

@ Blindbert, I don't think it's wise to bring up Councilman Corbally's family. I've seen a lot of interesting information posted about Councilman Corbally's family over the past few months, and I wouldn't recommend opening that door, especially if you are trying to be supportive of Councilman Corbally. There are many families in town where several members are police officers or teachers or other types of government employees. Children often follow in the footsteps of their parents in terms of types of employment. Plumbers' children often become plumbers. Electricians' children often become electricians., etc. So, I don't find it as offensive as apparently you do.

Pointman. as the election draws closer, you courageous blogers continue to abuse and attack people from the safety of your anonymity. For your information, the Beautification Committee maintains 16 gardens around town, 102 barrels and planters, We're responsible for the 56 large American flags on Arnold, Broadway and Ocean Avenues, and 63 small American flags in town throughout the Summer. We sponsor the Scarecrow Contest for the children of the Beach as well as for the businesses in town in the Fall. We decorate the 63 lamp poles in town, 87 barrels , 4 gardens, the Gazebo, and Borough Hall for Christmas. We also judge the Holiday House lighting Contest. It’s not my committee. I’m just lucky to be working with such wonderful people. There are 18 members of the Committee who are out all year in all types of weather to make our town look great. Many of those people spend their own money to supplement our budget to get all our projects done. Do you think all that is worth an extra $1,000? Any chance that the Council may actually appreciate all the work that we do even if you don’t? I realize for small minded cowards hiding behind their computer screens, it’s easier to abuse and insult rather than say THANK YOU! You’re worse than anyone you criticize.

Mr. Cavagnaro, the Beautification Committee certainly does a lot of great things for our town. But, are you trying to suggest that the work of that committee is somehow more important to the town than the work of the other municipal committees? I think the comments Pointman has made are the types of comments you would've made, at least up until your baptism into the Barrella camp. Aren't you the chairman of the Beautification Committee? Hasn't it also been your custom to have the committee meet at your house, where you host wonderful dinners and serve wine to them during the meeting? I think that's a lovely service to your volunteers. It is a pity that so many of us are so afraid to post under our real names. You have an advantage in that regard. You live alone, and of course, you are one of Ms. Kelly's allies.

Sand,do any of your friends try to give you advice and tell you that you always make accusations and in the end everyone on the blog sees that you don't back them up....I know your friends read these blogs,do they tell you that you can only get away with it to a certain point but when push comes to shove,your accuasations go unfounded....

Sand, what I believe you’re doing is reinforcing Pointman and other anonymous bloger’s attempts to intimidate people who stand up for what they believe is right. By now, many people have seen the pattern. Your targets all have one thing in common. They all have the courage to stand up to the Boardwalk for the residents. Since they don’t hide behind
fake names, they’re easy targets. Tell your bosses the attacks won’t work. People can see what you’re doing. It lacks integrity and courage.

Sand,let me start by saying,since you brought my husband into this,you couldn't even shine his shoes..He constantly tells me to not waste my time with simple minded people as yourself because you have an agenda and you will not let the facts stand in your way..My mistake is that I believe people listen to facts.....My husband is in the elevator business. He was just recognized for his work in Madison Square Garden. There is an upcoming documentary on MSG that he will be featured on,I will let you know the date if your interested.....He was in the Fire Dept.in town and I believe if you ask around,,you won't find one person that has a bad thing to say about him....He has nothing and wants nothing to do with the Politics in this town. With that being said,You have been the most outspoken,You have been the one making the accusations,you have stated the most lies on this blog. I agree with Mr.Corbally when he asked "how do you sleep at night?" Every time you make an accusation and people ask you to give facts on that accusation,you cannot answer.Your replys are getting old and people are seeing through your empty comments....Children learn from example and I am wondering if it makes you proud to teach the younger generation that its ok to accuse anyone of anything as long as you can hide behind an alias..How honorable does that make you feel... but at least I can stand up for what I believe in and I don't have to lie and hide to do it...You truly should be ashamed of yourself!!!!

Sand,you can direct it at me,as a matter of fact,I would prefer that because,at least the lies you are making up will not affect our whole town..and quite frankly it won't even affect me because your opinion is right up there with Kristin and Seans but at least the town would be spared from your baseless allegations.......

So instead of annoying your wife, you’re annoying everyone else?

Joan, Sad to say...... I did. But I thought you were not going to worry about my grammar. Obviously you understand my post. By the way,,,,,,, not everyone that went to Point Beach was a scholar...... Hopefully you are not a teacher....... It is quite evident that you did not attend school in PPB either.

Joan...... Do you work for the Boardwalk? Are you a retired Teacher? Where are you originally from?

Sand, Ms. Kelly's husband is a great guy as well as mine. Neither one of our husband's want to get involved with the politics in this town. One of the two has to keep sane. I am becoming less involved because of the nonsense that goes on. Just look at these post.

Sand, there’s a big difference between asking questions at an open Council meeting and anonymously criticizing people on the internet. I can be and have been accountable for my public comments. Agree with me or not, I don’t hide anonymously behind a computer screen. I’m always willing to discuss my comments and views with anyone who has a valid question. Up to now it has always been an honest face to face with people.

The Patch article on the Beach Council’s vote on legal action against Jenkinsons is not the forum for Beautification Committee questions. You can get some of your answers on the town web site or call Borough Hall. Feel free to contact me directly or just come to a meeting if you want to really want to learn more about the Committee and what it does. Otherwise, enjoy your “hobby“, but please don’t drag a hard working Committee into the mud pit.