Point Boro GOP Blocks Bond Ordinance to Fund Robo-Cans
Democrats claim move prevents council from getting new cans in place Dec. 31 when current system expires
The Point Borough Council at its meeting Tuesday could not take the first step toward possibly funding a new trash pickup system that might be part of a cost-savings plan after GOP members blocked the introduction of an $840,000 bond ordinance.
Council Member Mitch Remig led the Republican charge to block the introduction of the bond ordinance until the council had time to review the private trash pickup contract bids scheduled to come in Nov. 22.
But the Democratic members, including Mayor William Schroeder, said the first reading of the ordinance would have only put the council in the position to fund the potential “robo-can” system if it chose to go that direction in November.
The bond ordinance was struck down along party lines in a 3-2 vote. Republican council members Remig, Robert Sabosik and Antoinette DePaolo voted against, while Democratic Council members Christopher Leitner and Christopher Goss voted for it.
Democratic Council President John J. McHugh was absent.
The borough’s current contract with a private trash hauler is scheduled to expire Dec. 31, so the council has been considering either a shared-services agreement with Brick Township or hiring a private contractor to do the job in-house.
Having Brick pick up trash in the borough would require a new automated arm or "robo-can" system, requiring new cans for all households. Hiring a private contractor might also require the new system.
With a little more than two months until Dec. 31, Tuesday’s delay could leave the borough with insufficient time to get the new trash cans ordered and shipped to residents, a process that could take at least 30 days, according to council Democrats. A bond ordinance takes effect 20 days after its final passage, according to local bond law.
“We’re going to be in a position in January with no collection,” Goss said. “Where is there a warehouse full of these cans?”
Remig disagreed.
“If we’re going to be paying someone $883,000 for garbage cans, I’m sure they’re going to have them for us,” Remig said referring to the total appropriation listed in the bond ordinance, which includes a $43,000 down payment.
The total includes the possibility of also changing the borough's recycling pickup to the robo-can system, but neither trash nor recycling are definitely switching to the automated-arm pickup, council members have said.
Prior to the vote, Schroeder urged Remig and the GOP to rethink their position.
“The thing I would like you to understand is if we don’t have this mechanism in place to get these cans ordered, with enough time to be delivered to every household, by Jan. 1, you will be picking a traditional private trash contractor to pick up your trash with a multi-year contract,” Schroeder said.
Passing the bond ordinance would only allow the council to use the money if and when it's needed in the future, when another vote would require actually spending the money, Schroeder said.
“The point you’re all missing is that this isn’t an ordinance to spend any money. But it’s step one in many steps that we’re going to have to take if we’re going to appreciate any cut in the cost of our trash pickup," Schroeder said.
Hiring Brick to pick up trash in the borough, which would require the robo-can system, since Brick already uses it, could save the borough roughly $320,000, Schroeder has said.
But Remig insisted on seeing the contract bids before voting on anything.
“To be honest with you, I can’t spend $840,000 on garbage cans before we get our RFPs (requests for proposals) back,” Remig said.
But passing the first reading of the bond ordinance would not require the borough to spend any money, Leitner said.
“This is not spending one cent. This is not spending anything,” Leitner said. “Now if we actually need one cent of any of this, we have to then have a purchase order made up, we have to vote on that purchase order and approve it, and then we actually have to go out to bid. So it’s two more votes.”
Remig said that he understood, but still wanted to wait for the bids to come in before even beginning to authorize any kind of spending.
“I understand the process, and thank you for educating the public, but I cannot say yes right now to spending. I know it’s not actually spending until we spend it, but it’s still authorizing to spend. It puts a bad taste in people’s mouths until we find out these RFPs that come back,” Remig said.
Letiner said the borough did not have time to wait for the bids to come in Nov. 22.
“We have to set this up in advance. And on Nov. 22 we have to be ready to move,” Leitner said.
Sabosik chimed in that the borough had a 30-day extension option in its current trash pickup contract that could buy the council some more time.
Schroeder fired back that the Republicans were not planning ahead.
“As a municipal government and a representative of the people your job is to plan ahead,” Schroeder said. “It’s not putting the mechanism in place to carelessly or irresponsibly spend any money, but you’re putting the mechanism in place to possibly save the borough a significant amount of money in the budget of 2012 and from then on. That’s clearly the point.”
Remig replied that the council had not adequately planned ahead by waiting for Nov. 22 for the bids to come in. Schroeder said the council must deal with the situation as is and not dwell on how things played out.
“See, there’s two ways to handle it; as an adult and suggest that this is the way it’s playing out, or as a juvenile and say they didn’t do it right so I’m going to do it wrong, too,” Schroeder said.
With a supermajority, or a 4-2 vote, needed to pass a bond ordinance, the council could have voted to approve the first reading Tuesday and the three Republicans could have voted no on its second reading if they were still not happy once the bids came in, Schroeder said.
“You need a super majority to pass a bond ordinance. So you have the safety valve,” Schroeder said.
After the meeting adjourned, the argument continued for several minutes between mostly Schroeder and Remig, but Goss, Leitner and Sabosik also contributed until each member trickled one-by-one out of borough hall.
JHill
10:38 am on Wednesday, October 19, 2011
How come the Republicans in this town keep the costs down while the Republicans in Brick are pro tax, pro bigger gov't, and pro spending.
Jerry Belle
1:25 pm on Wednesday, October 19, 2011
You answered your own question....In Point Boro they're mere amateurs and in Brick they're Professionals ;-)
Quaghogdigger
2:00 pm on Wednesday, October 19, 2011
How can an elected official miss a council meeting?.....in this time in which we live, video or tele-communicating is a normal practice if away or ill on such an important topic that will effect EVERY household in town....done all the time in the Beach....Bunch of sniveling babies
A Resident
4:22 pm on Wednesday, October 19, 2011
and yet the Beach wants to do away with telecommunicating...
Jerseyclone
4:47 pm on Wednesday, October 19, 2011
The republicans in Pt Boro kicked the Acrapolis boys where it hurts. Now how do the puppets get out of there lies?
morrissey
5:15 pm on Wednesday, October 19, 2011
its not hard to kick a lying RINO
Nicholas Monaco
6:51 am on Thursday, October 20, 2011
What lies ?
JHill
7:56 am on Thursday, October 20, 2011
Nick-that the council were Republicans.
They raised taxes 24%, spent millions buying private land, hired more government employees.
The list goes on and on.
re-tired
8:24 pm on Wednesday, October 19, 2011
How about going to homeowner pays for his own trash collection and the thieves at town hall lower the taxes! Someone is looking to make money on this, it stinks worst than the trash!!!
Laura
8:41 pm on Wednesday, October 19, 2011
Paying privately is not tax deductible. Plus the taxes will never be lowered accordingly.
Jerry Belle
8:47 pm on Wednesday, October 19, 2011
Do you really want your neighbors choosing their own trash collectors? What happens when Frugal Frankie, your neighbor, picks the cheapest company around and it leaves leaking, rotting garbage waste on your street as it collects trash.
clamdigger
7:28 am on Thursday, October 20, 2011
Hello Laura and Jerry Belle; Having been through this process living in Brick,First of all,re:not being tax deductable, ask yourself the question, is this something you want your town council to be able to hold over your heads in the future as they did to us here in Brick. As far as the haulers who will pick up there are only a few choices in the area, do your research and see which town here in Ocean Cty that use private haulers and go to those Patch home pages and ask the residents their opinions of how the trash removal is done.
I'm a Brick resident and I'm against our public works picking up your garbage. Our Town Council lied,threatened and mislead the residents here in Brick. Brick had this planned for over a year yet used scare tactics to intimidate the residents into voting to approve exceeding the 2% CAP referendum because we would lose trash pick up and jobs would be lost, only later to find out they had the robo-trucks for recycling lined up and the plans to deal with Point Boro. Do yourselves a favor and go private. Good Luck
Tarkus
12:54 pm on Thursday, October 20, 2011
@clamdigger, we already are private here in the boro. Speaking for myself, I'm happy with our current hauler and have no desire to have Brick pick up my garbage and recycling. No disrespect to you and your fellow townspeople is intended, but , you folks have enough problems on your plate now without dealing with our trash.
Charles Clark
3:42 pm on Saturday, October 22, 2011
That is the problem in many of the towns. Many of the council members, all have the habits of lying,causing trouble, have threatened, mislead and cheated the tax paying residents of their towns. I don't understand how they would think the residents are not going to find out, Sooner or "later" it will come out. To many only have their self serving interest at heart.
Quaghogdigger
8:46 am on Thursday, October 20, 2011
I know a decision has not been made yet, but if Pt. Boro goes with Brick and the Robo cans, will Boro residents have access now to the bulk waste drop-off on Ridge road in Brick, as the Brick residents Have?...Think about it, ONE can for each household, no more bags on the ground, no more putting out that old thing that you replaced, ect....Just ONE can, that I'm sure must have the lid closed for the truck to work correctly...Maybe they will allow you to buy a second can, at full price of course, but still, the only thing really going into these cans will be the every day trash bags from under the sink....All the rest, and think about what you put to the curb now each week, will no longer be accepted.....Just going to AGAIN, be less service for your tax dollar.
Laura
10:52 am on Thursday, October 20, 2011
Not what sure you throw out each week but the cans are 95lb cans. You would fit in the can. I could actually fit my kitchen sink in the can.
Benefit: The streets will no longer be littered with garbage and it won't look like a slum area.
Christopher Goss
9:46 am on Thursday, October 20, 2011
Bulk pick up would be handled by our own PW
Quaghogdigger
11:01 am on Thursday, October 20, 2011
Chris, as it is today, with a phone call and appointment...I'm talking about everyday items that would not fit in a can....a six foot broom handle cannot go in a can. an old vacuum cannot go in a can....I'm not talking about a refrig or couch.....The DPW boys will be running every day making pickups around town...
Christopher Goss
2:23 pm on Thursday, October 20, 2011
They would schedule everyone for common days instead of going out everyday. There are very few towns using rear compactors unless they're sharing with multiple other towns, and Brick is the only neighboring town that wants to share with us. Google any town and "garbage contract" and the majority of them have moved to robo-cans whether a private hauler is collecting, their own PW collects, or they belong to a shared service. No option is perfect, they all have pluses and minuses in terms of their operation. The primary issue is price. At the end of November we'll be able to say with little debate who came in with the best price. The problem now is that if we wait until the first meeting of December to introduce a bond ordinance, advertise the introduction, vote on second read, wait 20 days for the ordinance to become law, advertise the bid, recieve the bids, award the contract, order the cans, and wait for them to come in, they won't be delivered until sometime in Febuary, if everything goes off without a hitch. So without the bond approval already in place we'll have a month or two or more with no collection or a potentially very expensive extension of our current contract.
Concerned Citizen
11:01 am on Thursday, October 20, 2011
OMG! Thanks, again council members (Republicans) for making the Boro look like a bunch of babies! Instead of looking out for the residents of this town, you are EMBARASSING US! My SEVEN YEAR OLD could understand that voting to move forward was not going to allow any money to be spent. It would have gone a long way to show that you are trying to WORK TOGETHER FOR THE GOOD OF THE RESIDENTS! What would it have hurt you, your pride?! Get serious and grow up!
Quaghogdigger
11:43 am on Thursday, October 20, 2011
Laura, for a single person, yes one can would be plenty....What ya gonna do when you need a new computer chair?....leave the old one laying around?...bust it into little pieces?...call for bulk pickup for a chair?....how about the family of 6, 7 ,8 people, generating 8 to 12 bags of house trash a week?....The cans are 95 Gallon, while bigger than the average can, cannot be over filled....I have a family of 4, and put out 2 to 3 cans a week, and sometimes the occasional bigger item or two... I know I cannot put a kitchen sink in one, and 5 or 6 bags also.....I'm not against them, but the trash you say will be off the streets, now will be collecting on peoples properties, as they will not be able to get rid of it....
Laura
3:53 pm on Thursday, October 20, 2011
A kitchen sink will fit in the 95lb can and, yes, you would still have room for garbage. Buy a second can if you need one. That will solve your problem. My dyson vacuum would easily fit in the can and still allow garbage.
Go look at the actual can size and tell me you would fill that in a week. I don't think you throw out a vacuum or computer chair every week. Maybe you should be recycling more, or consider picking up the phone to call for a pickup.
BTW, I put out at least 2 cans a week. Sometimes more when I'm tearing a room apart. Do you want to pay more in taxes or try to spend less?
disgusted homeowner
6:31 am on Saturday, October 22, 2011
Seems point boro is having second thoughts about dealing with Brick. I wonder why??????????????
Spooner
11:57 am on Saturday, October 22, 2011
@disgusted homeowner: when you see the Brick Mayor using intimidation, fear, and threats to residents to fend for their own garbage. . .getting his "over tax cap" referendum passed. . .you have to raise questions about the town's accruement to run an "in house" business. . .Then there's the unions behind Schroeder, Leitner, and Goss. . . this year pushing for shared services. . .raising even more questions. . .
...if Brick ran their garbage business profitability. . .self sustaining. . .you wouldn't need to raise questions of "sharing services". . .but obviously that's not the case?
When you enter into an agreement for services, you need to have long term reliability . . . and considering that the Boro is bonding almost $900,000 to purchase robo-cans. . .nothing short of a three year contract with kick-out clauses and penalties should be warranted to recover part of that expense. . .
If the unions and government want to be in the garbage business, then they should be competitive with the private sector. . .Hanging the Brick residents out to dry. . .isn't the answer. . .
Laura
5:49 pm on Sunday, October 23, 2011
Possibly because one of the Republican candidates works for River Road Waste Solutions. What a coincidence.
They act as the contractor and use subcontractors. They could actually be bidding on Point's garbage through another company. Would that be a conflict?