And of course,this opinion is solely based on the fact that this was not done to your child right?
I have a feeling you would have a different sentence in mind if it had,What he did was really disgusting and worthy of more than 30 days in jail.

Agreed! We must never allow our emotions to block out the facts/truths; did Ravi push Clementi over the bridge? NO! Why did Clementi kill himself, perhaps out of embarrassment? Or perhaps his parents and friends were not aware of his sexual preference? How many children/girls are raped/sexually exploited- then viewed over -the Internet, this filth is labeled Pornography, not Hate Crime. The offenders are adults destroying our children in the worst possible manner, robbing them of their innocence, yet our children have to live with the shame, humiliation and guilt for the rest of their lives. It would behoove our media to expose these demons and then for our judicial system to bring justice to our beloved children who have been traumatized…
Some college students make unwise decisions and in the case of Clementi vs. Ravi—they both made imprudent choices. Ravi was wrong in taken the pictures and Clementi was wrong for taken his life; from a legal perspective, it would be erroneous for our judicial system to replicate an unjust decision by sending Ravi to jail for committing murder—for which he is not guilty of.
No one is condoning Ravi's behavior, but the action taken against him is that of a criminal’s--and he is not. In closing, I would like to express my deepest condolences to Clementi's parents and loved ones-let us get to know our kids and truly assess what makes them tick before another child destroys his/her life!
John 14:27

I agree. Too many polls here and elsewhere force one to choose between black or white, right or wrong, yes or no answers with no grey areas or nuance at all.

We also know that when people test boundries their behavior can become criminal as they did in this case. Anything else?

If Clementi was your son would you feel the same way?

Would Marc feel the same way if it were his kid who was so upset by the "stupidity" and "insensitivity" of his tormentor that he committed suicide. I doubt it,unless of course, Marc is not yet a parent. Tyler was not the first, nor will he be the last kid who was driven to suicide by a bully. Look at the record over just the past few years of kids nationwide who suffered similar humiliation from their peers and ALSO committed suicide. Wake up, society, we are in a downward spiral, unless we teach our kids right from wrong. And, by the way, Ravi deserves a longer sentence, not only b/c he tormented Tyler, but b/c he showed absolutely no remorse for it. Lock him up and throw away the key.

I understand about bullying & Gay Bashing, in these times when so many people & instutations, are so hyper-sensitive about these subjects I would ask...If it had been the other way around, If a Gay student surveiled his hetero room mate & put it on the internet, & for whatever reason that hetero student took a dive off of a bridge, would that Gay student even have been charged?
I think we all know the answer he wouldn't have been.

The fact is he did not cause that student's death, the young man took his own life, obviously he was mentally instable, I doubt anyone can say that this young person would not have found some other rational to end his life had this not happened, not saying what Mr. Ravi did was right, just that I believe it was not criminal.

I can't believe he got any jail time at all. shame on that judge

@tomas, that's because you have a issue with who the crime was commited against.

Que? are you implying that I do not like homosexuals? Kind of a wierd thing to assume since you don't anything about me, my family or any of our sexual orientations? Have fine being blind and ignorant

*fun

Suppose Tyler took a baseball bat and smashed in Ravi's skull. Or something less but left him seriously injured. Would if be fair to say Tyler was just responding appropriately to being bullied? Standing up for himself? Ravi started it? Or would that be assault that the police should handle instead of the school giving Ravi a new roommate? You can play the what if forever. If nothing else, Ravi was the final straw. I think a big problem also was the lack of the school community to stop Ravi or say to him that what he was doing to Tyler was seriously wrong. But, suppose Tyler did beat up Ravi, would that be justice for what Ravi had done? Answer that

It's racist to think two days per guilty verdict is not enough? In your world perhaps, not mine. What a childish comment.

You know- After some further thought on this, I think a minimum of 90 days would have been better. 30 days is LESS time than Survivors (reality show) spend on the island.

Agreed, this kid did not kill anyone. He's a moron, definitely a homophobic bully, he and his parents should be ashamed. The big issue now is...is this Ravi kid a citizen, or is he here on an Education Visa, getting a top-notch education for free {check into it, have met many on Ed. Visas, all on our dime}. If he's here as a "Guest" in our Country, ANY and ALL infractions of our law must demand immediate deportation. For that matter, no non-citizen should get anything free here, especially education. Why are we paying through the nose to send our own to college & they get it free? We have plenty of smart, disadvantaged kids who deserve these spots, and will use their education and their future earnings in this country. The kids here on Visas go home upon graduation~we get no benefit educating them with our tax dollars. I know if I were overseas, Id have enough sense to obey the law of the land. He's smart enough for a US college, but a basic grasp of our laws is too much for him? As for the boy that committed suicide, my heart breaks for him and his loved ones. Extremely permanent solution to an albeit humiliating, but temporary problem. Suicide is the cruelest act anyone can inflict on those who love them. His pain had to have been immense.... such a waste of a gifted, loved, intelligent young man....such a promising future thrown away. Sad very sad.

"Ummmm," yeah, Pam. Exactly. Thanks for proving my point.

Pam - what you are describing is video surveillance in public. No one has an expectation of privacy in public.However, in one's home, there is most definitely an expectation of privacy. Certainly you would be perturbed if your neighbor put a webcam in your bedroom or bathroom, no?

@ Pam perhaps you should grasp the concept of private and public spaces. Correct me if i'm wrong did you just justify someone setting a camera up in someones bedroom and recording their activity as no big deal? Seek help.

Actually Pam, those hidden camera shows get consent from the people that they are filming before the programs are aired. Tyler Clementi received no such courtesy so your example is not the same. Ravi deserves to be punished for invading privacy and bias intimidation plain and simple.

@Pam once again it is criminal to video people in private spaces without their consent. Come on now this is not such a hard concept to grasp.

"It wasn't his own private space. Dorm rooms are shared by 2, sometimes 3 students at a time. They are very public spaces."

Why? Because you say so? I guess the defense attorney missed this legal fact of yours, since he didn't bring it up in his client's defense. Maybe you can call him and suggest it.

^ nonsensical stupid comment.

Excellent comment.

"I'm fat because they made forks"

haha brilliant!

Food eaten with a fork is probably not what makes us fat. It's the food we eat with only our hands that does that!! Yes, I'll take my pancakes rolled and wrapped in paper. This way I don't need a fork and can eat while I drive to work. Did you know coffee is hot and shouldn't be kept between your legs while driving either? Who knew.

@Dentss, Considering his parents are well off I doubt they are liberals. Perhaps you should remember which banal rhetoric goes with which political party.

Actually Ravi wasn't charged with Tyler's death. He was charged with invasion of privacy, tampering with evidence and a witness. Sometimes I think people seem to have a problem with that fact.

This stupid, non- citizen kid was convicted of multiple FELONIES, not misdeamenors in municipal court. Some people get more than 30 days for shoplifting or disorderly conduct. This case just shows if you had his parents money $$$$$ you can buy freedom or at least a very light sentence. Not only did he have 2 lawyers, but private investigators and 2 jury consultants when they were picking the jury. The average folks just don't get that kind of defense. He should have been given 3 to 5 years of hard time to teach him a lesson and send a message. That judge stinks!!!!!

I agree completely with you A Simon. He showed no remorse for what he did & never apologized for what he did. What was upsetting for me as a mother, he never tried to comfort his own mother will she was asking the judge to not send her son to jail. She was crying & sobbing while trying to speak & he sat there like he didn't care about all the pain he caused, to the Celementi family & his own. He sat there like he didn't care & showed no repsect to the judge or his mother. What he did deserves "prison" time not 30 days in county jail, he should also be charged as a sex offender & made to register as a sex offender for life. Should have gotten alot more time in "prison", not jail & then been deported for life. The sentence he received was a slap on the wrist, not appropriate for what he did.

Awesome.

Actually we should all care it's our privacy being treated like it's a option.

Apparently you care enough to read and comment. So what's your point?

Big difference between calling someone fat or gay and broadcasting a young person having sex and sharing it with other students. If your neighbor managed to rig a camera and broadcast your private sexual activity to your neighbors, you might find it rather difficult to continue living in your neighborhood. Add to it that this was a college atmosphere where acceptance is important, and you can imagine how this young man felt at that moment. Ravi's family can return the family to India and ultimately put this behind them if they choose- Tyler's family will grieve forever.

I have a few questions for you. Do you think it's just bullying to try and spy on someones private intimate moments? Do you think criminals should be able to tamper with witnesses? Do you think criminals should be able to destroy evidence? Do you think your privacy should be optional? Do you think you would feel the same if someone tried to view your sexual activity?

@Debra, you are slighly incoorect when you stated Ravi "didn't know tyler". It came out during the trial when Ravi was assigned by computer to be tyler's roomate before moving in day at Rutgers, Ravi did numerous search engine inquiries of Tyler Clementi and what websites Tyler visited and was active on. He knew Tyler's sexual orientation before they ever met. This activity led to his motivation for doing what he did with the webcam. What;s really sad is most colleges have a procedure to easily request a new roomate. Ravi didn't have to resort to doing the things he did.

@ Chief, this may be the only time I agree with you.

What conscience?

3-5 for what?

@tomas, I'm sorry but didn't you grasp the fact that he was found guilty of 15 counts? When you say "for what" you sound like you are not informed.

Ravi was found guilty on 15 counts, so he got 2 days in county jail for each guilty verdict. That's insane !!! outofthebeach4now, you are so correct with 3 to 5 years in federal "prison" & then deport him !!! He is a sex offender & should have to register as one for life. Yes, he is a bully & will continue to bully people for the rest of his life, he sat in court with the additude that all this was beneath him, he has no respect for anyone's life, their privacy or the laws of the United States. Every court I have ever attended, the defendant had to stand while the judge read the sentencing decree, Ravi sat there like he was bored & felt this was all a waste of his time.

but he was gulity of I believe, 15 counts of diffrent crimes. If he was facing Murder charges it would have been a much longer max then 10 years. He needed to serve a few years to get the point. There was NO remorse at all. ( he should get deported). He'll be in May 31 & will be out by July 4th PPL take vacations longer then that... Like I said, I know PPL that have served time ( years) for less of crimes

THIS ^^^ more people have died because of religion that any other disease, weapon, or natural disaster combined in the history of human beings

So because you read something on Wikipedia you claim "I'm sure her opinion is based on her religion, not common sense." but you state no facts you just have a hunch because you are a self proclaimed Militant Anti-Theist. You really should not attack someone you have never met and make assumptions about their personal feelings without any facts to support your statements.

Tomas can you share some facts that support your statements?

Ryan, 99.999999999999999 percent of people that have an issue with homosexuality is from their religious brainwashing.

So again I have to ask where do you get your facts from?

Ryan, these are posts. In case you are unaware, the section is solely here to voice your opinion. My post is based on almost 40 years of verbal interaction with narrow minded indoctrinated jackasses that are unable to rationalize because of a comic book called the BIBLE. This isn't a court and you are not the judge.
bye bye jackass !!!

Since when is Wikipedia a reliable source for information regarding how someone felt? That aside 2 days per guitly verdict seems less than aprropriate for felony charges. Personally my privacy during intimate encounters is worth more than 30 days in jail but I'm funny about my Constitutional protections.

I love it you are so typical you have no facts but you spew your hate about other people. I bet you have a Che Guevara shirt right bud and you love to protest against the man in between smoking doobies . Also I am sorry that your mommy and daddy didn't give you love you needed. Take care!

I slightly remember him being a much older man...

It's mentioned in the story above:
The person Clementi was involved with is known as "MB" in all print articles and court papers. He WAS in court throughout the proceedings and I believe he did take the witness stand as well.

MB is a man that Clementi met on a gay website. MB is 12 years older than Clementi. He refused to come out public after Tyler's suicide and appeared in court only once to testify. His identity is still a secret, but I believe he finally came out and told his family after he had to testify in court. Not much more is known about him and unless some media creep decides to exploit him, nothing more will be known.

No it's not enough.

Not nearly enough time. He can continue his voyuer career in India.

@ Ryan, perhaps you should be more concerned that our privacy is slowly disappearing and the courts could care less. This sentencing is basically saying anyone who invades you privacy during intimate encounters will get a slap on the wrist. Considering the light sentence your argument that gays get special treatment is less than convincing.

If Ravi had done this to a FEMALE student... he would be tossed into a 'sex offender' category and there would be many extremely pissed off people _nearly_ equating it with "rape", whether you and I would agree with that or not.
If Ravi was the homosexual and he was secretly filming another male student - same thing- the whole "he's a pervert" and "How dare he!" shock and indignity would be assumed without a second thought.
But because the victim in this case - Clementi - is/was GAY, it's so interesting how many people want to gloss over the invasion of privacy, the shock, and all the other crimes Ravi committed against him and call them "just a college prank"... "not a big deal"..... "just an embarrassment" etc.

@seriously, It's not pandering to the gay community to charge someone with invasion of privacy, tampering with a witness, and destroying evidence. I've noticed that in almost every case whenever a gay person is involved we hear the same "pandering to the gay community" claims. How convenient that way gay people never deserve justice. I don't know what hole you have had you head buried in but Ravi was offered probation and community service and he demurred. It's not your country unless you are a citizen. Ravi although he has been here since childhood is not a citizen. It is common for people who are not citizens to be deported when the commit a felony. So when people call for his deportation it's because we don't need another felony criminal hanging around.

The Judge just gave a sentence that tells the jury they were wrong.Although I might agree with the judge ,I don't think he should have done so publicly ..But in NJ we have activist judges

If you consider someone invading your privacy during intimate moments politically correct theater. Personally I'm tired of hearing people thinking that we should allow our privacy to be infringed upon without severe punishment. Even more tired of hearing people with the same banal politically correct argument for every subject under the sun.

soul-less ? find me a doctor that specializes in soul care.
we are all soul-less...

Well, that's a bit over the top....

And yet a mother in Florida just got handed TWENTY YEARS in prison for firing a warning shot - not AT someone- but into a wall in order to scare her known-to-be abusive husband away from her. 20 YEARS in prison and no one was even scratched; and she had no prior record of violence or criminal activity. Our justice system is very very broken... Ravi is just another example. I'm not looking for 2-5 years in prison, but really? 30 days is way too lenient. I hope he's deported at least.

I guess his mother rejecting him had nothing to do with it?

Sorry Joe, if he were a white, straight student NOTHING would have been done. PC and its followers would have just said, "oh well, too bad". They would have said he should have got some help and use the term "personal responsibility". Don't forget what was done to that 12 year old girl in Texas. After her suicide it was said that it was NOT a crime and nothing was done. Please don't try and defend Political Correctness. It just encourages different treatment for different people. It separates rather than unite. Segregation should have died a long time ago and does not need to return.

@ Winston, no the charges against Ravi had nothing to do with Tyler's mother. Stay focused I know when the gay subject is mentioned that becomes hard for you.

I believe there was more than one letter that was written by Tyler Clementi and not presented to the defense. The prosecution wanted to withhold it from the judge also, but that didn't happen. They kept the information to themselves but stated over and over again that Ravi was NOT on trial for Clementi's suicide. No matter how much they stressed this, the media was still implying that Ravi had all to do with the suicide....media mop lynching. Perhaps if the letters had come into evidence it would have cast more light on the state of mind Clementi was in at the time of his suicide. But since Ravi was not being charged with his death, the letters remained private. Clementi had a lot going on even before he entered Rutgers....yes, his mother did reject him when he came out to her a few days before he left home. She even admitted it in the beginning and then it became hush hush. She told him she was glad he was going away because she needed time away from him to process what he told her. She also said she was disappointed as she had great plans for her son. His father even told him to be careful of what he does when he gets to college because people will be watching him because he's gay. Nice way for this already disturbed boy to leave home with his parents blessing? I think not.

How is the suicide note relevant to Ravi's charges? I think that's the fact people are overlooking.

The day that 101.5 broadcast anything true will also be the day of the second coming, as well as third, fourth, fifth etc. Those guys are more dishonest than the very best of New Jersey politicians!

LOL 101.5... The Foxnews of Radio.

I only want Ravi's to pay an appropriate price for the 15 charges he was found guilty of, not his perceived guilt in Tyler's suicide. Our privacy during sexual encounters should be worth more than 30 days. How anyone can argue for less is beyond me.

To Ric and Mattie, please look five spots up. It seems there are some notes/letters involved. Please don't preach about how honest the national media is here. We're better than that. And stay away from TMZ.

Opinionated;
Notes and letters are all well and good. HOWEVER the trial is over. Apparently those notes and letters A; were not admissible in court, or B; did not play any role in proving anything either way if they were, because C. a conviction was determined and given to Ravi.
As for 101.5 -- sorry to burst your bubble, I mean maybe you really didn't realize it, but they are a *very* right-leaning talk radio station. They have been for YEARS and they really don't try to hide that fact- especially around election times.
They also like to employ what some people might call "Shock Jocks" to stir up "controversial" conversation for their talk shows.
They truly are the Foxnews of NJ radio. Honest. I listened to them every day for several years, but they just got worse and worse as time went on and I just couldn't take it anymore.

And I've never watched TMZ or MSNBC (that's your next accusation, I bet) for any reason at all, ever. Peace.

Whoaaaaaa, how did suicide turn into murder?

Michelle -- You said:
"The 30 day sentence had nothing to do with Tyler's murder per se."
If you switched out the word "murder" with "suicide".... I'd agree with your entire post, 100%. I really believe the judge went a little too easy on Ravi for the crimes he was actually found guilty of in court.

I disagree, but not because I have any faith in people's ability to remember this. As long as Google works, he'll have to live with it. And he has a distinctive name not easily forgotten. And every hire is vetted via the internet today.

He may get a job, but it won't be at a top firm, it won't be in a high-profile position. If he's amazingly talented, a book-room job where he's regarded as a slightly embarrassing oddity is the best he can hope for.

His name is forever linked to an infamous hate crime. That's why he rejected he plea deal, he knew he had to roll the dice and hope for an acquittal.

PS - I think this has a lot to do with the lack of an apology. He can't be seen as owning up to something he considers himself innocent of. To do so would validate the shame.

Pam its completely obvious you have issues with Clementi being gay, and insist on defending and minimizing Ravi's wrong doing. Ok, we get it. Stop already. You're not convincing anyone else.

@Pam, do we get to look into your bedroom to judge if the guy you are with is creepy? Didn't think so. Enough said.

@ Pam
With every new post you write you dig yourself deeper and deeper.
The facts have already been established in court. Ravi was convicted on 15 counts of law breaking actions. Let me repeat that for you- 15 factual, proven instances of breaking the LAW.
Now that we agree on "the facts" you claim no one but you know of; this article is asking us all how we feel about the punishment given to Ravi for breaking those laws.
When you get down to it, we can ALL forget that Clementi was gay, that Ravi 'didn't mean it', that he only posted the video to a small group of people as opposed to a large crowd or on the internet (By the way- the chances of someone who DID watch the video then putting it on the internet were very very high. Once someone posts it to anyone else in any manner- it's "out there" for everyone eventually). We can all forget that Clementi committed suicide, that his mother still wasn't 100% accepting of his being gay, that his dad told him to watch his back at college.
We can even forget the idea that Ravi doesn't seem to be or never said "Sorry for what I did". Doesn't matter. That's ALL beside the point.
The point is, Ravi broke the law, and he was *convicted* -- in a fair trial with damn good expensive lawyers pleading his case. In my opinion he didn't get enough jail time. I believe he should have gotten at least 4-6 months. Just my Opinion.
You on the other hand still want to argue he's just a harmless prankster. Why is that?

Flounce Alert!

(You missed one, Pam).

Huh?

@Dan, Holy Yogi Berra comment.

I'm not sure 2 days per charge some of which are felonies as standard sentencing guidelines. Last time I checked felonies were serious crimes. Guess that depends who they are against and who does them now a days.

@Flying, best to read up on the facts of the trial before comment. You're lost.

@david..that's why I asked the question bro. My guess is you need to read up too since you couldn't answer the question

@ Lisa, you may be wasting your time Pam doesn't seem to draw a line between public and private spaces or criminal and non criminal behavior. Oddly enough if that camera was in her bedroom she would probably be screaming for the death penalty.

Pam is apparently off the deep end and on a mission of justification- in her own mind. I'm ignoring her rantings and illogical BS from now on.

Much of what you say is true, Sanriobaby. It is unfortunate he can't be held accountable for Tyler's suicide, but that's the way it is. However, like you pointed out, many of us know he was responsible. I believe 30 days isn't enough even for what he did do (15 count conviction). The Judge was too lenient.

This is for PAM, AKA- Tellmewhattodo. :-)
Maybe this will help explain the logical side to her (now deleted) arguments.

Even public bathrooms or changing rooms (note the word "public") are for public use, right? But once you enter and close the door on the stall or changing room, no one is allowed to kneel down and peep under the door to watch you, are they? No one is allowed to sneak into the stall next to you, stand on the toilet and peek over the wall to see you, are they?
Men are not allowed to stand outside a ladies' room / changing room and peek into the windows to see what's going on in there, are they? They would be arrested as soon as someone screamed and told a cop what happened.
There's a whole world of "implied privacy" and "expectation of privacy" going on there, even in a PUBLIC place. Your "dorm room is not private" logic is seriously flawed.

Hmmmmmmm ... I think you have the makings of a really cool sci-fi book. Seriously; if Stephen King or another famed "out there" author can read your post, you gave him/her a great blueprint for fiction!

Or ... you can write it yourself, ya know.

@Tellme, Will privacy still be a Constitutional right? Why in this case do people seem to support the actions of the criminal over the victim of the privacy invasion? I guess that's their way of hiding behind their homophobia.

You have that right....there is way too much venom and hate here... knocking down people that don't agree with the majority here...I would say there is a lot of bullying going on right here. Posters look at your postings, some of you sound like a vigilante group. Whether you agree with Pam or not, why are some of your postings so mean to her? She has a right to her opinion whethe you like it or not. That's what this Patch is all about. I see a lot of this bully tactics here. Someone posts something that others see as "wrong" and they jump all over it in a very negative way and they bully with their own protests. So why are we on here anyway? This entire trial was about cyberbulling not suicide. I see so much bullying here.......so who can judge when you are guilty of the same bully tactics via this site !!! Whether you agree with Pam or not, she is not the go get her person of the day.....she is entitled to her opinion just as you are !!! If you don't agree with her, you can either ignore her posting or just tell her in a "positive" way that you don't agree with her. You don't have to shove your degree in her face as you are more educated than she is as one person has already done....and that's not bullying????? Some people on here should be ashamed of themselves.....really !!! This is not about Ravi vs Clementi any more, it's about a gang bang and having fun with any one here does not agree......and this has been going on for a lot of Patch articles.

Diana,
Pam held her own for most of the day just fine, until she ran off (taking all her posts with her). I don't think she needs anyone to be her champion.
That being said, she was no less "challenging" toward everyone else's opinion, as we were about her opinion. She was pretty feisty actually. Wrong, but feisty.

Thank you, Diana. To Eggs, just because someone "held their own" does not justify others to become so-called "cyber-bullies". But then the Constitution allows us be jerks and say nasty, hurtful, and stupid things. Unless of course, we allow political correctness to eliminate free speech. Be careful though, you may be the next one to be silenced.

Opinionated:
Discussing or even Debating an issue, with logic, patience, and respectful language (no names or outlandish generalizations) is not "cyber-bullying". As far as I recall, I held myself to that standard. Pam however, didn't always do the same.
She was not bullied by me, and I really don't think by anyone else either. Just because she was outnumbered and her arguments didn't "win" (because she was wrong, overall) doesn't mean she was bullied. She wasn't tied to a chair and forced to reply, either. Why create a 'bullying issue' where there was none?

So you think Ravi is lying? He said it was a prank gone bad, yet you seem to think he had purer motives. I guess he forgot to mention that when he was on trial facing decades in jail and deportation.

People - stop watching stupid legal dramas.

LOL wow. Just wow.

If only Ravi had hired some of the people posting on Patch instead of his skilled, experienced attorney he'd have been acquitted!

"Your Honor, I move for a bad court thingy".

You reap what you sow. He should be deported after he spends 6 months behind bars. He should not be allowed to return.

Great point, Laura! It is the same thing -- film/tape of an individual in private, who is both unaware and who did NOT give consent. Thank you for bringing this back up.

To me, it is the same. Others may not agree and that's fine as this is purely a matter of opinion and discussion.

You forgot different charges.

Eleanor, Eleanor, Eleanor, I do not understand your issue with Tyler's date being a stranger to Ravi - Ravi did not have the right to screen Tyler's dates. Being asked to leave the room so your roomie could spend some "quality time" with a date is standard operating procedure in dorms. That rule holds true for straight as well as non-straight dates. What kind of roomie wants to watch their roomie and a date do what couples do these days?

@Eleanor, Ravi didn't take the stand at his trial. Your facts are wrong. Moreover, it's well past time that people stop making excuses for his behavior. Invasion of privacy is a crime, so is tampering with a witness and evidence. Perhaps you would sell your privacy for 30 days in jail but mine comes at a much higher price. After all it is in the Constitution and everything. I think it's there for a reason. So please no more speculation on what Ravi thought and excuses for him being young and in college. If you don't know by 18 it's illegal to spy on people when they are in an intimate encounter your way to stupid to be in college in the first place.

@Ric & David - I should have said 'at the time of the trial. Ravi's story was always that Tyler came to his room with an older man who was a stranger to him (ravi) and asked Ravi to leave. I don't know what the rules in Rutgers dorms are but if my roommate of only a few weeks came in with a total stranger and asked me to vacate my room with all of my possessions for a 'date' (and not knowing if they were going to do anything illegal like drugs, etc) I would be suspicious too. Sorry if i am not 'enlightened' enough to think that its okay for a relative stranger (Clementi) to bring a total stranger into a roommates shared room and ask the roommate to leave. I think Ravis first motive was to check out the safety of his stuff and i think the idea to circulate what he taped was dumb. And if this is 'standing operating procedure' in dorms, why does it not appear on the dormitory contracts that incoming students get? I'm sure the moms and dads of those 18 year olds would like to know what the college standards are.

And as long as you ignore everything Ravi wrote or said to friends (who testified) leading up to the event, then I guess that's believable.

That was a sloppy, last-ditch excuse...and it failed to persuade anyone. And when you tamper with witnesses, people tend to doubt your credibility.

Eleanor, is your take he should have been acquitted? Or merely that the sentence was acceptable? Just checking.

PS - Ravi could have said "no". He chose not to, and then he chose to act in the manner he did. Which, I think we can all agree, was a poor decision.

Sociopath???? Sicko??? This will happen again??? where do you get your information from??? I'd be more in fear of you with your mind of thinking than I would of him !! Now if only your comments could come into play with a court, maybe you would be convicted of a hate crime also !!! Not only think about what you are saying, but do some research.....you are dangerous !

so·ci·o·path:

noun; Psychiatry .
1. a person with a psychopathic personality whose behavior is antisocial, often criminal, and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience.

Possible. Who knows?

@ Mattie, thanks for that bio of Ravi.

@Winston, I don't think expecting more than 30 days for 15 charges is asking to much. Considering your ongoing character assassination of anyone gay or anything doing with gay rights you should not speak to lynching. As usual you just start making things up. Ravi never asked for a new room nor did he ever complain. Your going to have to try harder than your usual diatribe on political correctness.

Coeds hooking up with strangers!!?!? Even if they don't know who they are, or maybe even their names!?!? ON A COLLEGE CAMPUS!?!?!

Well, I just don't believe it. I won't believe it.

Next you'll be telling me that these kids are having a second (perhaps, gasp, a THIRD) Captain Morgan or SoCo before calling it a night.

Before we know it they'll be listening to the rocking and roll musical programs at high decibel levels! And dancing! Dancing! In public! I blame the Betty Grable posters and Vatican II.

@ Neil, As you say it is debated. What isn't debated is the fact that states have laws protecting your privacy and Ravi broke those laws. However, cudos for knowing your SCOTUS rulings.

I bet his parents are prouder of him than Ravi's are of Ravi.

Or you can just keep making up stuff, as usual.

@Winston,Actually it's the GOP hooking up in restrooms. You could at least get your rhetoric correct. Moreover, and as usual your homophobic behavior is becoming obvious. Perhaps coming out of the closet would help with that self loathing. You are way too concerned with the gay aspect of this case and not the criminal behavior of Ravi.

It's the normal behavior of the closeted hypocrites. Moreover, it's irrelevant to this case. The "oh look a chicken" argument isn't going to cut it.

@Winston, Funny how you seem to be so familiar with the worst stereotypes of the homosexual community. Lots of intimate personal research I'm sure.

That's a very reasonable way to put it, Dan.

Stop it, @Michelle, you're scaring me...and that takes a lot!