Get drunk in Point Beach,,,,, Then drive to a town of 2a.m closing. Sounds like a great idea.

LOL .... Any sane person would understand that reducing a business' operating hours would impact business, jobs and current contracts would cause "irreparable harm" ... Except for the dim bulbs on the Beach council, and their overpaid attorney.

A 1a.m. closing would have been a better compromise. I'm with tellitlikeitis, and I can picture it.

""We cannot afford to devolve into Seaside Heights or Keansburg," Barrella writes. "We have a very small window to prevent this from happening."

Wow, way to bash other towns publicly there Mayor.

ONLY A RESIDENT,
Need more of you on here, Love the Post

The residents of point beach do not want any of these patrons coming around. Thank God something is being done! Great job council for listening to the majority! Lets keep these people away from our boardwalk!

Basically what the other Mayors are saying is, as long as you keep the $%!^ in your town that is fine.
Meanwhile, mayors in Manasquan, Belmar and Point Borough have expressed concerns that Point Beach bar patrons, eager to get to bars that stay open past midnight, will take midnight joy rides into their towns, possibly drunk or just plain careless.

LOL..."Only a resident...Tired of paying for extra police...you hired 80 extra police this year just so you could pull this mess off. Have you been on the boardwalk yet this summer? a one mile boardwalk I passed 4 sets of uniform police walking the boardwalk at 12 in the afternoon...are you kidding me. I'd love to know how officers you had to add to the day shifts to justify this. Passed another 4 bike cops and then two more cops walking in tandem through town before I got home. keep adding unecessary police and you have to pay for them...duh... Here's a fun fact
Point beach tax rate 1.044, squan 1.565, PT B 1.705, Brick 1.946....you may one of the losest tax rates in Ocean and monmouth counties and you still whine about paying for your services. Stop trying to pay for everything with fines, tickets, parking, etc....too funny can't wait till you have to pay to undue this...Belmar didn't even last one year when they tried it...anyone from the Beach Council talk to them for some lessons learned before backing themselves into a corner

This really makes me sad. Does the state close the Parkway because there's people driving over the speed limit!? The town needs to figure out how to enforce the existing laws and ordinances without destroying the current business, revenue streams, jobs, and tourism. Here's an idea or two; a) install 24 hour public bathrooms on and around the boardwalk and beaches to be rid of the peeing in public claims b) restructure the police schedule to post cops on the boardwalk when they are needed like late Fri/Sat/Sun nights.

sandy beach
0nly 3 months out of the year... thinking that you are not problemed by the Bar crowd, what district do you live in...

I am a resident, I live in District 4 and I am against this change. When our taxes go through the roof next year, you will understand why.

The GB has the right to set the jours that are allowed to serve alcohol for as long as I know. That is why some towns allow 24/7 and some till 3am and all differant hours. When I tended bar in Monmouth County you had to wait untill noon on Sunday to serve.

But you never know what will happen at the ABC. Follow the $$$$KA-Ching.

When Seafood Fest happens in Sept, there will be cars parked everywhere in D1 and D2 within a few blocks of Arnold Ave. Right now there is plenty of parking for everyone. On SeaFood Fest day should we put up no parking signs all over D1 and D2 so we can be like D4? It's a quality of life thing, right? Whether it's one day or three months, why should I (me, me ,me, hey, over here, look at me!) be inconvenienced? Also I can hear the train at night. Can someone stop the train after 10 pm? And don't get me started on those loud banner towing planes flying over my house or the noisy cars on the rt 35 bridge. Bring back the horse and carriages era. Ban good times! Fix everything!

Mayor Barrella - reading your diatribe. . .may I remind you that the law said: Council by consensus of the residents has the authority to restrict closing time. . .so just where is your consensus. . .the split Council vote. . .or is it your vote...with you being elected by a minority. . .comprising about 21% of the registered voters(812 vs,3800+) Mayor you have no political mandate to be voting on such a critical issue...as bar closings. . .and I'll say it again. . .if it wasn't for Corbally and the minions on Parkway and I guess Harbor Head pushing for the bar closing referendum, the town could have had a better gauge of support other than the Barrella/Corbally/Tooker gang with their 245 votes for the parking restriction referendum...that was defeated?

...oh Mayor: at your [15]. . . you wrote that BW portrayed to public that they were being coerced by Borough trying to contract around the legislative process. . .Wasn't it you, Corbally and Dikun at the April 19, 2011 meeting; how should I say it, intimated that the BW attorney was "shaking down" the town. . .offering $40,000 in lieu of having to fill out special event application fees?

http://www.pointpleasantbeach.org/news.php?action=fullnews&id=1207

Easy solution: Emergency binding referendum..let the residents decide

All this means for me is higher taxes for a lower quality of life.
Unlike Barrella, Tooker and Corbally I have six group rentals within a block of my home. In the past they started partying 2 AM or later when I'm asleep. Now they'll start at Midnight when I go to bed.
And the people getting tickets for parking on my block will be yelling and screaming then too. There are no less cars parked on my block even thought the signs are up. the parking plan is already a failure.
Voodoo economics- free parking in Silver Lake after 11 PM, no more parking meter revenue after 12 on the roads close to the boardwalk . . . but more tax dollars being spent on police. Lower revenues, higher spending!
For a decade Barrella has been complaining that the residents shouldn't have to pay for the tourists, but now we are facing tax increases due to these two ordinances.
And no, I'm not saying we should have less police- the midnight closing won't stop the problems, just move them to my block.
Wonder why the Barrella block was so gung-ho to institute the parking plan even though it was voted down and the county said no? Here's my prediction- after the summer the budget will have a big hole from reduced revenue. Now that they have softened everyone up with the passes, they will put in paid parking in residential neighborhoods- the thing that Barrella has been advocating for for years.

Barella is partially correct..
The town CAN dictate closing time for bars and restaurants.....
But it has to be for ALL bars and restaurants in town... not a select few.
That is a violation of fed and state law....

I can't wait to hear everyone bitch about how their taxes go up. They aren't just hurting the boardwalk bars, there are 15 other places that are effected by this. That's a lot for a small town.

special restrictions can be placed on certain bars - it's been done in other towns. Taxes can only go up a certain amount, thanks to the Governor. What will happen to cut costs in town are cut services, furlough days and layoffs...get ready.
It's ridiculous that something couldn't be worked out to take the money that was offered for police patrol. selfish.

And the pissing contest between Barrella and Storino continues. It's like the old days between the Gambinos and Genoveses and just as entertaining.

I am so sick of [some] PPB residents saying that other towns have no right to comment on the issue! Get ready to close the page, because I am going speak.... I live in Brick, with my backyard ON Mantoloking Road. In the past 10 summers we have already 3 cars drive THROUGH are fence INTO our backyard! The yard that my dogs run in. The yard the my 5 YO niece plays in (though now rarely). So YES. I, as a "non-resident" have an opinion about these early closings.... At least at 2am, the majority of patrons would gather up and head home... Now they will be racing down these roads to get to other bars to finish off the night. Like @ the new Buffalo Wild Wings for example. So, to people like PART TIMER, yes, our opinions will be voiced and we will NOT apologize for it or cower down to wealthy, rental owning, blow hards!

Too bad Point Pleasant can't become a "dry" town, like Ocean City. It would rake in business from families who are looking for a vacation oasis in south-central Jersey that is free from the bar scene and "Jersey Shore" element. Let the drunks and self-proclaimed "Guidos" swarm to Seaside Heights for that. Seaside Heights courted that atmosphere, let them deal with it.

Additionally: Being a "dry" town has not kept Ocean City from being a popular vacation destination. Try booking a rental less than a year in advance. Liquor is allowed in your rental / residence. The town simply has stayed away from allowing bars.

Guaranteed this early closing rule will be reversed within a year when the policymakers realize what negative effects it has on business, car accidents, etc.

A resident- "the parking plan hasn't gone into effect yet. The signs are up and warning notices have been issued."
I have gone out every night and I find cars with no tags parked after midnight. Again my point is that it's not going to work becuase no one sees the signs. In case you haven't read them they state from May 15 to September 15. The average person not from Pont Beach would think it's in effect now. So it is a failure- no one sees the sings and they park there anyway. And I have seen ZERO warnings on cars on my block.
Not only that I have to remind my wife and children every night to go back out and put on thier tags. Again- lower quality of life and higher taxes.

Mr Happy...are you out there on 35 & Broadway directing traffic...with cars pouring off the bridge from West and North. . .Looks like the weekend already started. . . and Mike: I know your a late night walker. . .but maybe you could lend a hand...telling people to behave themselves or go home?

The big question is.... when does ABC come back with an answer???

And if the answer is to let them stay open till 2am, then there is reason for question #2.
Will the BW owners still offer to help with funding for the extra police?

How would you go about compensating a business for a liquor license if the town went dry.
just asking, I really don't know

A Resident- I understand your thought process and I myself have pondered the same... But, it wasn't many years ago that I was in that age bracket and the majority mindset @ 12 will quite possibly be "Ok, we got 2 hours left to rock our faces off... Quick! Where to next???" while in that mindset, they're less likely to Bo winding down as to gear up for round 2...
And as for people asking where the extra police funding come from--- When I used to attend Jenks, at closing, you could easily spot 5 or 6 cops right outside the door on the BW w/ another 3 or 4 at the bottom of the ramp. While walking to my car or my ride (I had 1 of those good moms that found it entertaining to pick up her less than sober daughter) I don't recall ever seeing an officer out on the neighborhoods 'patrolling'... Why pay for so much extra when maybe they can actually get some of those officers to drive or walk around for an hour OFF the BW instead of standing there "shooting the breeze" @ the door???

The more I hear about the actions of the PPB "leaders", the more I read the comments and attitudes of some PPB residents on this and other sites, the more I think PPB is sounding like Lakewood every day. I am finding myself more and more repulsed at the thought of even going to PPB. I realize some of you will say,"good riddance". My response is, "OK, stay in your town and enjoy what you have created". Don't forget you don't own your beach. Maybe the owners can raise your fees to make up for your decisions!

Now now everyone just relax. The ABC will issue a stay and that will mean bars open until 2am. The governing body will lose the lawsuit and cost the taxpayers hundreds of thousands when they could have taken in 800k. The parking plan will also dissolve, further leaving the taxpayers drowning in lawsuits.

I know people seem to be worried about people racing to other bars at 12 but I don't think that's going to happen as much as people are saying it will. I think with last call now being 11:15-11:30ish that most people won't even bother to come at all which is a far worse fate for a lot of these business. I would assume once this goes into effect a lot of these bars will start to lay off people pretty quickly.

Hey Clam Digger! In your example of tax rates showing Point Beach as being one of the lowest is fuzzy math! It gives the appearance that Point Beach property owners pay the lowest Real Estate taxes. Not so! The tax rate doesn't mean anything when you compare town to town. Manasquan has an " equalization ratio" of 73.78. Brick 88.97. Point Beach 107.14. What this means is that every town assesses at a different percentage of what they see as true value. Example: In Point Beach the tax rate is $1.044 per 100 dollars of assessed value. You take the assessment of (let's say), $600,000 and multiply it by the equalization ratio of 107.14% and you get the true assessment. In this case $642,840, so it doesn't matter what the tax rate is. So stop spreading misinformation. Know the facts before you start talking about " Fun Facts" And let me ask you to stand in the middle of the Boardwalk at 1:30 a.m. and tell me how many cops you see. I can tell you from experience, NONE.This is supposed to change. I hope to see many more and glad to pay for it. The trashy crowd can go further South on the Parkway and hook up with Snooky and Company. Have a nice summer!

ABC Decision - Mr. Happy prediction. This has become a political football. Director Halfacre, former Rep. Mayor of Fair Haven- appt. by Gov. Christie- The BW- Huge GOP supporters in Ocean County- Not too hard to connect the dots. But, Halfacre knows that towns have always had the right to set bar closing hours. What to do with this this political football? ---He punts. He knows the Borough is right in their assertion to set hours, but he doesn't want to alienate a major contributor. The solution? Send the parties back to the bargaining table and avoid making a decision.
You don't need a crystal ball for this one.

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There is a lot of drama in point pleasant beach. Most of the comments that are left sound like a bunch of whinny gossiping girls that keep on assuming what is going to happen. Stop assuming what some of you think is going to happen.

Just close all business on the boardwalk. Better yet, remove the boardwalk.
That will solve all the problems. No people, no problems.
AND locals wont have to worry about parking either :)

Happy---Since the hearing was yesterday you are not making a predication, you are reporting what you have been told by your boy Barrella. So tell us Happy, which one of the gang of four is going to vote to take the BW deal as is, or is Barrella going to get all of them (Gordon, Corbally, and Tooker) to flip-flop? Or maybe Barrella is going to pander to the squeaky wheels and pretend the ABC is corrupt when they stop the bar closing ordinance? Now answering those questions would be a predication---how about it Happy? My prediction is Barrella panders and ends up with no money and no bar closing ordinance

Hi Residents First-
First of all, I don't know Barrella.
Secondly, the name is not Happy. It's Mr. Happy.
Finally, the math here is pretty simple, I just added it up.

Happy---Since the hearing was yesterday you are not making a predication, you are reporting what you have been told by your boy Barrella. So tell us Happy, which one of the gang of four is going to vote to take the BW deal as is, or is Barrella going to get all of them (Gordon, Corbally, and Tooker) to flip-flop? Or maybe Barrella is going to pander to the squeaky wheels and pretend the ABC is corrupt when they stop the bar closing ordinance? Now answering those questions would be a predication---how about it Happy?

Happy---still not a prediction, just telling us what must have happened yesterday. So how about that promised prediction Happy, what next? Barrella panders?

PS you should introduce yourself to Barrella---he would probably put you on the planning board

Hi Spooner- I believe Corbally worked for Monmouth Beach in some capacity, not Fair Haven. Could this be yet another Spoonergaffe??

While ppb thrives on tourists it is also quite residential, especially considering point boro residents. I think the issue here is the type of tourists we are aiming to attract. This has changed over the years as the drink specials, test tube shots, etc have increased targeting the harder partiers. There is a place for them and we don't want it to be here.

There are towns where there are no bars. There are even dry towns---but PPB has never been one. No one likes drunks, but unless this is an overwhelming problem that the restored number of specials can’t turn around, what PPB’s government is doing is: pandering to squeaky wheels and personal vendettas by trying to control how a private enterprise runs its business. We out to take this out of these clowns hands by starting a petition to have a binding referendum in November

This article says that both parties argued their cases before the ABC at a hearing held today. Does anyone know who was at this hearing? Was it opened to the public? Was Mayor Barrella permitted to attend the hearing, or was it just the lawyers? I'd like to know what was actually said, if anything, by the representative from the ABC. As for those of you who are suggesting some type of financial incentive for the ABC to render a certain decision, you should be ashamed of yourselves. Are we really supposed to believe that every governmental entitty is "on the take" if it doesn't agree with the Barrella bloc's decisions?

Shelly, Ocean City has always been a dry town, from its very beginning. You mention the self proclaimed "Guidos" being encouraged to go to Seaside if PPB were to become a dry town. Well, what about the full-time residents here? Why shouldn't we be trusted to go out to our favorite restaurant, a restaurant that we may have been going to for years, and have a drink? Why should we suddenly have to give up those rights? And what about the bars who have already paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to purchase a liquor license? Is the town going to reimburse them for their investment if it were to decide to become a dry town?

Early bar closing is not becoming a dry town. Most residents will still go enjoy their drinks, most arent in the 12-2 crowd. Yes ppb has always served alcohol. Problems have increased. What is the reason? An increase in the "seaside" type crowd has to be at least partly to blame

Let's get something straight. You guys bash the police about this and that. Well first off, forget the number when you need something. Second at 130am there are cops everywhere so that's false information. Also people are sick of paying EXTRA POLICE, well you people have no clue what you are talking about. These extra police make between 8-10 dollars an hour to serve you when you need help. Let's also add all the tickets they write. If one EXTRA POLICE OFFICER writes at least 1 borough ordinance violation that cost around 250-300 dollars a pop, are the towns people really paying for the extra service. THE ANSWER IS NO. Between all the tickets these EXTRA POLICE write they pretty much make there salaries plus make money for the town. Let's also add to this that ppb has one of the highest revenues of the state because of the pay machines, meters, parking tickets, and borough ordinance tickets. So paying for extra services IS coming from the outside NOT YOU TAXES. Give me break!

Yes salty, the correlation between the small number of abusive visitors is also directly in line with the local government's cut back in police personnel as well. Proponents of the new ordinances do not hesitate to say "hey give it a shot". Meanwhile, the same group is not willing to give the return of adequate police a shot. Why? Because the entire tourist industry in this town has been seen as a nuisance by the minority, period. There is no need to have an abundance of police, midnight bar closings as well as restricted parking after midnight. What we are seeing locally is the same as when Nancy Palosi and her dem senate, house and white house pushed every law possible through the process. Little was understood, no one knew how it would impact the people and no one in office cared. It was merely an opportunity, as this is for the local independents. Unfortunately for them however, the majority of residents will not let us suffer the consequences so that we all can pick up the pieces and make wrong into right once the damage has been done.

Mayor...a case on the effects of changing hours of operation on other towns. . .

http://lawlibrary.rutgers.edu/collections/oal/html/initial/abc1261-96.html

Scunion, please reread what I wrote a little slower and understand that I support the "return of adequate police" as the proper solution.

Gotcha lol, contacts are out and on my phone. Dumby......lol

I can not believe that one of the biggest complaints: "People will be driving drunk at 12 mid!"
What ever happened to responsible drinking? Do we really want to attract clientele that are going to race out of PPB, hurry to another town to drink some more?...sounds like these people have a drinking problem.
Do you really think that the "clientele" will sober up between 12 and 2? Or
Will they be more intoxicated at 2?
And if that is the case...sorry, but these people need to respect the law and be cited for DUI regardless if it is 12 or 2!

If this is the main reason, for those complaining about none other than drunk drivers racing out of our town at 12mid...
...than to me, this would indicate that we (PPB), would be an enabler IF we were to rescind the 12mid closing back to 2.... much like a spouse enabling their alcoholic husband or wife to keep drinking "for just a little while longer".

I'm sorry that the lifestyle of the residents who get out of work at 11:30 and have a late dinner and drink(s) at Frankies will be affected, but i do believe those working that late are in the minority. This is about the overall image and safety of the town. Keep ppb a family oriented town. Or even if not families, MOST (not all) adults past 30 have settled a bit and welcome the great atmosphere that jenks and martells provide yet arent partying until 2 am anymore. I know first hand many who have not rented or bought in ppb due to the rowdiness. Those with the gloom and doom viewpoint need to consider that the tourists won't go away but just not be those who drink until 2am.

A couple of things:
Residents First-I know you want Mr. Happy to make a prediction as to what will happen if the ABC punts. Sorry, I can't. Personally, I would hope the ABC would do what they are duty bound to do and affirm the rights of the town to govern it's self.
Also, you and Spooner are interjecting this subject with ramblings about the Planning Board. Focus people, please. As Spooner might say, the Planning Board is not german to this issue.

Salty, do you believe that pulling a large percentage of the cops from the streets and bw over the past couple years had absolutely nothing to do with the increase in offensive behavior that residents have been complaining about during the same exact time period? As far as doom and gloom, PPB is not going to fall into the Atlantic, but do the math: more cops than ever to pay for for a few yrs to come according to council (which is ok), partial free parking in previously paid lots, according to corbally a forfeiture of up to 42% in court revenues that would occur after 12am, a nice big fat court bill, loss pf $160k fromwould the bwpeople for cops, etc. Taxes can only go up around $120k to cover any shortfall next year due to the state 2% cap. Who's paying for the cops next year, you? Mayor Barrella or Corbally? I think setting up a plan to have the bw pay for the cops is not such a bad idea. Think about it.

Happy---just one thing. The issue before the ABC is not: do municipalities have the right to govern themselves? The answer to that was given over 60 years ago: municipalities have the right to exercise only those powers given by the state legislature, and those powers are very few.

Imposing local option taxes is not a power granted to PPB. So, in this case, no matter how laudable you may believe the window dressing of a hunt for quality of life may appear, the Borough tried to get the BW bars to pay to stay open later. That is the Borough taking for itself the power to impose local option taxes, after the state legislature refused to give PPB that taxing power. And for those like you Happy (and like Barrella, Councilmen Corbally in another forum, and Paul Mulshine) who want to believe a decision by the ABC voiding the ordinance (and I bet it is coming) is a sign of corruption, the above facts need to be explained away. But you can’t do that Happy, can you?

PS---Planning Board just a way of highlighting your ridiculous claim that you do not know Barrella

Ray, can you tell me how this reads,
ABC will issue a decision based on the appeal, the response and the arguments made in Trenton on Tuesday.

Part Timer--thanks so much for demonstrating just how much like Barrella you truly are: rules say you can't refer to people by who you think they are, you do not like the rule, so, as Barrella does with rules he does not like, you ignore the rule---let's see if Ms. D is consistent in enforcing the rules here

And that reads that unless Barrella gets a fourth vote and takes the money by Tuesday ABC is going to stay enforcement and take testimony---you know, get facts under oath---lots of it---before determining that the process the gang of four utilized robbed we residents of the power to close the bars

I feel bad for Councilman Gordon. He is facing personal liability foe the words Barrella put in his mouth

The one from 12:39 AM? Then why aren't you posting a reply to Ray's message? The way you poster it sure looked like a response to me. Don’t see how your post relates to Ray’s, but whatever, if I was misled, and your post was not to me, I apologize

Goodman Brown said: "there may be a devilish Indian behind every tree."
Seems Resident First has his contemporary version with Barrell and I quote: "how much like Barrella you truly are"--"your boy Barrella"--"introduce yourself to Barrella"--"the words Barrella put in his mouth"- "Barrella is going to pander"-- hey, I could do this all day. I suppose in today's parlance it would be called a vendetta.
And my man Spooner-Twice you have mentioned Corbally was an administrator in Fair Haven and you make an allegation of conflict of interest with Halfacre. Sorry, but I will have to send a note to Ms. D. to sanction you.......again. Corbally worked for Mon. Beach. Opinions are one thing, but you cannot continue to float damaging theories based on pure falsehoods. Gonna miss you......

Mr. Happy, I can understand you want to report Spooner.. Why bother? She or He will just come back as someone else who spreads misinformed information.

Maybe the RESIDENTS should slam the door in all the local politicians face! At least the ones who are putting us last in the equation.

The resident have been considered last for most of the thirty years. This was done on the watch of the regular republicans. During that time the capacity of the Bars in D4 exploded. They did not care and looked the other way on many occassions. They and families and friends got there govt. jobs appointment and contracts as long as they voted the Gilmore way.

Many residents of this town are fed up. Last year me and a few of our neighbors started talking to get support for a parking plan.

I would mind if it was 24/7. Put the tourons into parking lots. The increase in revenue and peace on the streets would be ok with me. Rather have a parking meter than a drunk doing vile things on my front lawn.

So Residents first what special interests are supporting the independents. Do you think that they are on the dole and getting payoff????? Who is giving them graft?????

Blindbert, you and your neighbors discussed a parking plan, council voted to put it to a non binding referendum and then the townwide popular vote voted against it. You and your neighbors are the minority, and when it comes to a fair and open democracy, the majority should win.

Typo on that last one so sorry!

I meant that I would not mind a parking plan being 24/7 for the season.

Who do you think is funding the boat owners suit. They have become the tools for the BW. Most of them provide parking to their patrons. Which is the total opposite of the BW. On a busy day i have seen parking as much as $40 up there @ the BW lots.

Only one of the Majority has a job and that is Tooker working for the Board of Ed who had the job long before she threw her hat into the ring. That is a whloe lot differant for those that are on the oppsing side

Why don't the whiners get this. We have plenty of cops, Last I heard, over a 100 with specials combined. They just aren't deployed properly. Sure they all want to work 9-5, but it's not feasible. Maybe Corbally or one of the many cops who secretly post here can tell us how many of the 100 are used at 2 AM?

And blindbert, the capacity of Jenks and martells has not changes in 22 years, and the volume and hours of peak business have been decline for about 15 years, particularly at Jenkinsons. There is no foot traffic from these places where you live and you are just fed up with people parking in front of your house and tourists in general, as are others in your minority group.

Jenks was rebuilt in 1990 and underwent a renovation in 2000-2001 which included the installation of additional bars that reduced the floor space. Marterlls has clearly not added to the pier in anyway and the only arguable expansion would be the beach bar which is used in the daytime and typically closes by 12am, thereby receiving no additional constraints by either the parking or early bar closing ordinances.

But before 22 years ago the capacity of Jenks was about 500 now it is 2200 and back in the 7O's there was no tiki bar. Also the wharside had a capacity that about 10% of what it now is and did not cater to the meat market. Those three bars have a legal capacity of almost 4000 people. That number is greater than the huge clubs in NYC!!!!!

Those bars are marketing themselves to the drink till you puke set! Did you ever see the back of NJTRANSIT bus' where many had The "Jenkinsons has it all" Nightclubs included displayed. It is the crowd they market to. It is no longer the "nice place for nice people"

Bring the family crowd. That is what D4 wants. not the party animal snooki wannabees.

The D4 opinion is in excess of 80%in favor of the restrictions. That is the percentage of the more than 100 D4er's I have spoken to!!!

Do you realize how much the BW gives to the politician. Those politicians are bought sold and paid for. It is the gilmore plan that tell them how to vote. Who knows how much the influence goes up the gravy train. Christie owes Gilmore quite a bit of favors for getting the vote out in a huge way, when Gov. Krispy Kreme got elected

But D4 has the largest voter base, # of homes. D4 also is the largest tax base of the four districts.

It also probably produces the least amount of children in our education system. Education is PPB largest expense so i do not want to hear the squeaky wheel arguement!! D4 pays for lot or your little darlings education. The old saying in this town is that you can not win election without winning in D4.
The old guard does not want voters in D4 just taxpayers!!

If those bars do that fraction of business as you claim then what is the big deal??

The parking plan of opening up LLS lot free from 11pm to 6am more than makes up for the loss of spaces in D4

BTW who won the last election in D4, the independent republican or the regular republicans? If the regular republicans have "been looking the other way" how is it their candidates beat the candidate endorsed by Barrella and Gordon and Tooker and Corbally by 100s of votes including wins in D4?

mailman,
My numbers are calculated the same way you calculate the lost revenue....
No one really knows...
The one thing I do use for calculating is the fact that most cars in the lot at 11pm have already paid and that anyone coming into town at that time is looking for a spot for free on the street which is why I am for the parking plan.

It is a shame that the small bars get wacked in the process.

Like when you are in school the teacher walks out tof the room,the it hits the fan, teacher comes back in the room, nobody fesses or rats out, and everbody gets punished!! Same as in military basic training.

If they singled out select bars then it would be viewed as discrimination. It is the crowd the big players market to that are causing the problem and the resultant medicine.

I do feel for the smaller bars, but how much it is D4 supposed to swallow before they throw up???????

Hey, Residents 1st, mailman, John57 are you D4ers or live near the BW?

Residents First states that the "overwhelming majority" of voters did not vote for the parking plan in D4---this is not even close to being correct. The parking plan passed in D4. Wise up, or you will be the new Spooner, Minister of Misinformation. Haven't heard from him recently, perhaps his account was finally suspended for his latest false statements.

Blindbert please stop speaking for all residents of district 4. We are a young family in D4 vehemently opposed to the midnight bar closing AND the parking restrictions. We are also offended by your "little darlings" comment. We live here because despite what a very few would have everyone believe, there is no better town in Ocean County to raise children. We have excellent schools. We have lots for kids to do. We have excellent restaurants and nightlife that YES year round residents enjoy YEAR ROUND not only at Tiki and Jenks but also places like Frankie's and Farrell's and 709. Tell me, have you ever been in Farrell's at 1 am on a Saturday in November or December? There are many residents like us - we live here, work here, shop here. We are the local working families who literally cannot afford these ordinances because someone peed on someone's grass! How can people morally and ethically vote for or speak in favor of a midnight bar closing and ridiculous parking plan that will irreparably harm so many more businesses than just those on the BW???

Mailman, then I guess it was the minority that voted for Barrella and Gordon.
it is time that the regupublicans start listening the the people and not Gilmore and his big $$$$donors

Fulltime, I am just iilustrating that D4 pays more than its fair share. Since D1 has a lot of children should they be paying more in taxes because of the extra servicfes they require from all of their educational demands that are the towns largest expense.Most parents do think of their children as their darlings. It is all in how you view it

Happy---my statement was the overwhelming majority of voters in District 4 did not vote for Barrella or the Parking Plan----and they did not----no matter what you would like to believe.

You, Happy, are the purveyor of misinformation. But that is OK; I'm be here to correct your misinformation and disinformation

So, with that said, there were 579 registered voters in District 4 in November 2011 and only 246 of them voted for the parking plan, and 271 for Barrella---the overwhelming majority----333 of them to be exact---did not vote for the parking plan and over 300 did not vote for Barrella

Try and pay attention to the truth, not what your agenda wanted to be true

And while I'm at it Happy, you are right that I blame Barrella for this mess---Whose picture is on this article? Barrella. Whose dumb idea was it to impose local option taxes in the first place---nobody other than Barrella

The same can be said for almost all election as generally registered voter turnout is usally never more than 60% and generally closer to 50%. This is true in most elections even when it is for the POTUS. It gets close to 60% in the early reporting battleground states and gets to be lower than 50% late reporting states such as Hawaii.

Alot has to do with the ground game and then there are the smear tactics just like the Anti Lloder brochure that did not even have a return address on it. that tactic is called swiftboating. Hey even GW got DUI's

Right---when somone other than Barrella's chosen one wins it is due to corruption, but when Barrella's canidate prevails ---"the residents" trimuph---no, sorry----it is Barrella with the dirty tactics---like the 30 votes he got from Keifer's quarters---and the recent victory by Andy and Steve was the residents comng out to vote

Bert, I know folks don't usually come out and vote, but surely if the situation in D4 was as you portray more would have come out to vote for Barrella and the Parking Plan, no?

Full Timer- that is exactly my point! You just said a mouth full, thank you!
People who drink should not be driving(period). I know that is not the case. But it is the law. I agree with you some PPB residents will walk home from the bars. Are you also saying that they will be in search of another bar after 12 and will have to drive to another town? That was happening anyway! ..nothing has changed. Many of the Jenks and Martels patrons left at 1:30 or 2 and drove to Seaside and drank until 4.
All that I am saying, time should not be the issue when someone is drinking and driving. Regardless, if the bars closed at 12, 2, or 4.

Dirty tactics??????How about St Peters politicing from the pulpit?????? That cost more than a few votes. How about the smear campaign with the flyers. Many seniors thought that parking meters were going to be put up. And since this town is a majortiy of regular republicans the have an automatic edge. Not many were interested becuase the fix was in for the POTUS candidates and not a lot of other choices! BTW none of the candidates that voted for the parking plan are up in this coming election.

Part timer, where was it ever stated that it's okay to piss on someone's lawn? The point is, public urination on one or two blocks in town should not result in the two ordinances that have been passed. How can you sleep at night knowing these ordinances may well put some small local businesses under?

Residents First- according to blogger 'been here before': there were 245 residents in D4 who voted for parking referendum. . .just over 6% of registered voters(3800+) reported here by 'patch' in one of their articles. . .hardly a political mandate for this ordinance? As I recollect, 'been here before' stated there were over 1200 registered voters in D4. . .meaning that even in D4, the support for the referendum was just over 20%. . .contrary to Corbally's argument that the purpose of the ordinance was only for D4? These figures will be used against them in the two lawsuits against the town if need be. . .Again, another reason why the town wouldn't take the money unless the BW and now the charters and marinas withdraw their lawsuits. . .It appears there not going to win the parking fight. . .not like the latitude afforded them under ABC laws?

I do not think that the charters and marina are paying for that lawsuit????????
Just like the recall a lot of big donations from the outside!!!

Bert---you really do make this too easy. You can't prove that, can you? Of course not! No bills have been paid yet since suit was just filed and lawyers bill monthly. So nobody, let alone "big donations from the outside" have paid any bills yet. And could you tell us all please, why the charter boats can not afford to pay their own legal bills?

blindbert- you know I went over there. . .the parking lot behind Spikes is being used by four charter companies. . .not very big and kind of awkward to park in there. . .once you park, you can't get your vehicle out without other cars being moved from behind you or in front of you. . .and over on St Louis there's just street parking, where vehicles park into the curb across from Point Lobster...I don't think there allowed to park on Point Lobster side of the street...that could present a problem for the vehicles backing out of their parking spaces?

Can anyone really say for a fact what other establishments have gone out of business in other towns that went to a earlier closing.
Just curious...

The plan is a trial and can be tweaked to accomodate if needed as was represented at meetings!

I too did look at that area today around 9 am It did seem almost full, but it did accomodate their clients. Most fishing boats do not leave before 6am. They do segragate who parks where. The charters that go out to the canyons tend to be overnight but I do believe their parking lot handles their clients. You do have a valid point about St Louis. I think some tweaking is in order with that area and it would rid the town of that lawsuit. Giving passes or removing certain streets are possible solutions. That area does not have a lot residents and although those clients drink they do not cause for the problems that occur in the "land between the lakes"

I am all for accomodating those business'

Part Time in reply to your earlier question: Yes, the 12:30 AM closing proposed by Belmar's Mayor Ken Pringle in the Late 1980s nearly bankrupted several businesses. At the time the town had 4 or 5 major clubs, many more than PPB. The ordinance was rescinded in a few short years. Mayor Pringle's, often, insulting and offensive remarks about tourists eventually caught up with him and he finally chose not to seek re-election a few years ago. I hope that helps.

There is no question: only legal way for bussinesses to pay is donations. The gang of four refused to even bring the BW 800k offer to a vote. Gang of four wanted a legal way to force the payments and the DCA said there is no legal way to force the payments because in New Jersey the state legislature has decided police are paid by property taxes

Blindbert, you seem very upset by "St. Peters politicking from the pulpit" that this may have cost a few votes. Are you trying to suggest that St. Peter's Church, which has property in PPB and who knows how many patrons, was not entitled to advise its patrons that their ability to attend services might be affected by a parking plan? I mean, let's be honest. Last year, we all heard various ideas as to what hours the parking plan would be in effect. I heard that it was going to run from 10pm until 10am at one point, which would've also affected the Pleasure Park recreation summer program (although I know you don't care much about that because it involves "little darlings" as you like to call them). But, if you're so bothered by the Church being involved, weren't you also bothered by Loder's campaign materials, where he referenced being a member of St. Peter's Church as one of his qualifications to serve on Council?

That is refered to as separation of church and state. If they preach politics they should lose the tax free status! Remember they do not pay taxes. The parking plan shoud and will address exceptions. Remember it was Hennessy that demanded that it be be a townwide plan that was sure to bring out a negative vote!!! And that Grima Wormtongue (KH) that was at Frank Rizzo's house to get his phone in vote. Remebember that meetings via phone confrence were disallowed by the Billotti bloc then remanded for that special intrerest vote!

I have lived in the heart of D4, one block from the boardwalk, since 1957. In that time I have never seen anyone defecating on my lawn nor have I ever found evidence of such, other than a rare dog poop that someone forgot to clean up on my curb. I have caught one person urinating in all these years and never once found a used condom nor have encountered anyone having sex on my lawn. I have however, had to call the police on occasion to ticket or tow a car that has blocked my driveway (certainly not the crime of the century). While I am sure that some reports of these incidents are true, based on my location and own experiences, I would have to say that I am either the luckiest resident in D4, being immune to these incidents, or that there is a certain amount of exaggeration displayed here.

As long as a business' tithe to the regular republicans they can annoy the residents.

OK, everyone in D4 go into your yards and enjoy the free fireworks now!

The fireworks are on the patch tonight!@!!!!

When I was a kid, the only time that I got to see fireworks was on 4th of July. My mom and aunt would pile the kids into the station wagon and drive us to a field in a nearby town. They'd cover us with bug spray, and we'd sit on a blanket, having battled other families to find a good spot. It'd be over fairly quickly, and then we'd all have to find our way back to our car, through the crowds, and then sit in traffic. Now, my kids and I can simply step out of our house and see the fireworks every year, and enjoy the magic together on a weekly basis. Thank you, Jenkinsons!

After 50 + years of fireworks they are just regular thing! If they stop doing it big deal!!!!

I do not mind paying for kids education! Just Keep mind that D4 is the largest paying district with the least amount of children. Did you ever compare the valuations on Curtis ave versus being in D4 ,On Curtis ave a 200 ft deep lot across from the street from the river are a lot less a 135 deep lot nonwaterfront lots in D4 an probably sells for more$$$$

Blindbert, how many of those homes located in District 4 are second homes/summer homes? I think there's quite a few of those homes in D4 that are owned by people who don't live here year-round, and yet they don't seem to mind that their taxes go to pay our schools. Also, isn't the biggest taxpayer in PPB Jenkinson's? And, where is that property mainly located? D4, right? Jenks doesn't seem to mind paying for the schools. Oh, I know, there are bunches of Jenks kids in our schools, but those parents pay their own property taxes, too. But, don't you worry. I'm sure that the property values in D4 are dropping like lead balloons. Get your pal, Corbally, to push for another reevaluation to reap the benefits of all of this mayhem.

Look it up mailman!

As said before in D4 they do not want voters only taxdpayers!

Yo mailman look up tjhose valuations that I refer to?

The real estate listing refer it it as the exclusive library section! They get to pay less han their fiar share???????

Part Timer . Property values have been down since 2008 or haven't you noticed? My next door neighbors had their home listed in the Summer of 2008 for 1.3M and had several offers between 1M and 1.1M. Convinced by the realtor to hold for higher and never getting it before the Fall '08 "bust" they were unable to sell it for 900K last summer and took it off the market. On the other hand, one of my closest friends tore down his old home in D4 in 2010 and replaced it with a much larger one on the same lot last year indicating a strong commitment to the area. You worry too much. Point Beach was here long before you and I and will be here long after we are gone. Try to enjoy what you have.

Full Timer- your talking about a small minority of people(PPB residents and renters). The majority of drunkards coming out of Jenks/Martels are from other towns/cities. It would be in our best interest if they left by 12mid. They wouldn't be as "piss-a**" drunk then!

Just a reminder folks, a couple of great things this weekend; let's stop the bickering for now and enjoy!
#1-Rythm at the Shore (Formerly Jazz Fest)
#2-Parking Plan goes into effect, don't forget to display those placards
A round of applause for the Chamber and Council for making PPB a great place!

Really Happy? Parking plan is not a "great thing" except for the 250 who voted for it in D4.
And isn't it just a tad hypocritical to be against drinking on the Boardwalk and for drinking in town?

And how about a round of applause for the residents who are the ones who are really responsible for PPB being a great place to live despite the continued interference from the squeaky wheels and their pandering politicians on Council!!!

I will give everyone an update tonight after our (NRTAC) Non Resident Tax Payers Committee meeting tonight. Yes we also discuss what we believe are important issues in this town and without a political agenda.

Just a reminder Happy, a couple of great things today and this weekend. Enjoy!
#1-D4 holiday- June 22, 2012 (D4 parking plan in full swing)
#2- Mr. Happy doesn't post on holidays-YIPEE! we don't have to read any posts from you today. However, you will be excused for your 7:22 a.m. post, you probably forgot that it was a D4 holiday today.
#3-You get to rest up for the big weekend. Enjoy the Rhythm at the Shore festival.

Part Timer, how can you say you love living in District 4 when your posts complain about "the boardwalk", drunkards, noise, and the 2AM closing? You even had the nerve to question one poster who, because of his work schedule, goes to Frankies at 11:30PM, as to "why he needed to have a drink at all"? Now you are a real estate expert, determining property values and calling my neighbor (whom you don't know) "GREEDY" when I simply used the example and numbers to show how much property values have dropped in the past 4 years. Sticking to facts and statistics is the most effective way to get a message across.

The residents of this town has lost all faith in our local politicians. The reasons are to long to list. The local politicians wonder why? Just look at some of the comments that are left on article after article on the town of Point Pleasant Beach. Clearly most on here have a political agenda. Clearly the residents can't believe most of the local politicians because of the political decisions they continue to make. Clearly they are not in the best interest of the residents. Clearly most have lost all credibility because they are only looking at their side and political view. Each district is acting like they are their own town. This town is one town and every side and opinion should be heard, valued and respected. Everyone's opinion should be valued and get rid of the narrow minded thinking that their side should only count. Wake up Beach before it is too late.

It is shameful that some residents feel they have more rights because they were born in Point Pleasant Beach. It is shameful that some residents tells other residents to move or go back where you came from because of an opinion or different view. It is shameful if the name calling continues. The town will always be divided with this type attitude. I would say majority of the residents are not originally from here and they are not welcomed from a few narrowly minded that were born here.

I thought I was going to take today off, but Spooner dragged me back. He lists all the politicians who have filed tax appeals. But he conveniently forgot one. Steven Reid.

Full Timer: I do agree it would be pretty empty if only those born here only continued to reside. Unfortunately I have heard with my own ears from those born here to go back to where you came from just because a "full time" resident had an opinion or view of what is going on in this town. It does not stop them from saying this, which is offensive. Especially because most of those born here have some sort of job that all the rest of us not born here are paying for. They want our money and support but they don't want us. I am pretty sure you can't have one without the other. I would think those who reside around the boardwalk has every right to complain if it has changed from when they bought. If a business changed their business model in anyway the residents surrounding has a right to complain and have a say. I do not know what you mean by the problems that is typical in a resort area town. Every town is different in what they allow to go on in their town, what they allow tourists to get away with and what they want their town to become. Maybe the Beach Officials over the years has become to lax on what they now have allowed the boardwalk businesses get away with. Maybe the town officials over the years has been more about lets feed the beast instead of quality of life issues. Maybe it has been all about the money on both sides that is now catching up to the town. It should not matter if it is not causing a negative effect to the town.

Regardless of what the town once was or now is. The objective should be to working together on making our town the best town it could be for all involved. Tourist do not even want to go to a problem town. They will go somewhere else and you will continue to get more undesirable tourist in your town. I know a lot of resort towns all around the world. I am sure they would not consider point pleasant beach a typical resort town. Even surrounding resort towns that once had a bad reputation as we have now, has changed what you are calling a typical resort town. Those officials seen, admitted to the problems and demanded change so why can't we? Again, is it the money to feed the beast that keeps on getting larger. I heard about the Stop and Shop was supposed to be a movie theater, did not hear why it was not opened as one? I guess I am missing that point, other than their was changes in the town end too. Again, I do not see any real negative or problems being caused in the town from businesses. The only thing I have seen in the town during tourist season is it is busier, more traffic, speeding on Arnold Avenue,, which is typical of any tourist town. That also applies to the entire town. Now that is were they can make some money if they put police car in town. The town officials and residents a like are the one's who need to decide the direction they want the entire town to go in. Not by just the residents in each district they reside in town. Sadly, you are right. It may be to late

Hi Residents Last, Thanks for your civil and intelligent responses. Do not let the "born here" folks get to you as this is an experience found elsewhere in resort areas, not limited to PPB or even beaches. I spend a lot of time skiing in Vermont in the winter and the "locals" in certain areas are even more adamantly opposed to those not born in the state then we see in town. I know a woman in her 70s who moved to Central Vermont over 50 years ago and is still referred to as a "flat lander". The battle between tourists, the tourist industry, and those opposed to both is pretty much a fact of life, California surfers are among the most notorious and violent when it comes to protecting their personal point break, where an unknowing non-local may find his board broken in pieces for wandering into "unwelcome" waters. Lets hope that PPB residents continue to be act as we do. It's obvious that you care about the town, and despite our differences, we have that in common.

Benny Come Latelys, Love the Beach or Leave it
Wrong... a tax payer is a tax payer and has every right to voice his/her opinion.

Ray Criptkie
Read my post @ 8:55 before you comment about how I spend my time in PPB.

Benny Come Latelys, Love the Beach or Leave it
When someone has a vested interest of 500k+ and 8k in taxes a year and has also been in this town for 15 years now, DAMN right you are going to here what i have to say...

Part Timer---I don’t think Benny Come Latelys, Love the Beach or Leave it said BCL’s could not speak. I think the poster was complaining that BCL’s do not listen to the locals. While I agree all have a right to speak, no one, except the elected officials and Borough employees, have to listen.

But I have also witnessed new residents ignore the lessons of the past the locals are all to willing to convey. I think that is part of how we got in the mess we are in with the bar closings ordinance.

Locals, however, are not blameless. Locals are all often too willing to dismiss an idea that comes from a new resident simply because he/she is new.

The Beach has no problem with people, like you, who want to speak up and think they have the answers----our problem is that none of those who think they know the answers are listening to what the rest of us are saying.

Tooker was born here. Corbally has lived here for forty years. Barrella for 30. Are they BCL's

What lessons of the past have I missed?

Barrella became full time 20 years ago which makes him a BCL. Brooklyn Boy !! And Gordon, he doesn't even know where Ocean Ave is yet. 3 years. BCL Corbally just needs to learn from the past.

The one where Councilmen who do what they want, instead of what the voters want, does not get re-elected

Seriously----- the lesson you articulated so well your first time on Council: Vince Barrella can not be trusted. And, most importantly, the fact that that you needed County approval, (which all locals knew because it has been necessary for all the parking meters on the County roads in town) and that you were not going to get the County’s approval (as all the locals know from over 50 years of discussing parking plans for County roads) for your parking plan. And if you did know these things, why didn’t you tell your fellow Council people and us?

Residents First, now I have heard it all... First you blame the politicians, now you blame the Benny Come Lately crowd...
It was ok when the realestate boom occured and all those BCLs came down from the north buying up the realestate and sending your home value beyond your imagination

If it wasn't for the BCLs you would be living next to a bunch of RedNecks... LOL

PT---so intelligent---aren't you the guy who made up a non existent bar on LBI that the you claimed was closed by the town---and you were caught blamed it on his cousin---that's you, right?

The people who live here their whole life are tired of the BCL coming to town and trying to change the once beautiful town we had. Nuff said..

Aren't the BW bar owners BCL's ????????????????????????????????????????

They came and changed the BW in our once fair and beautiful town.

More new faces or are they reinventing themselves to look like they actully have a majority??????????

Dear RF,
I stated that the majority of those whom voted !!!!!!!

By your thinking no president of the US ever recieved the majority of the vote!!!!!

No body coming back on the BCL comment or the new faces patching??????

at least I am sticking to it and not a Multipatcher!!!

Yo clown baby,

I think you need some train riders to come do their business in your back yard as I and some of my neighbors have then maybe, just maybe, you might understand!!!! Unless you or someone you know benefits by their profits and/or influence?????

Dear RF, I think it is a hands down desicion of which group is the least intelligent!!!

One group did whatever their big money supporters and financiers wanted. Rember the slick heavy stock slanderous campaaign mailers.
The other group sent out low budget black and white mailers with substance!

All you have to do is follow the $$$$$$kaching

Yo clown baby,
You are suggesting that we are supposed to put up with and fine anal orifices in order to make ends meet!!!!

As usual, Bert, no proof, just accusations---those other guys were misguided---they thought they were doing things to cut taxes---dumb---not corrupt.

Present group just trying to stay in power. One group accused by you, without proof, of chasing money----one group, we can all see, chasing power

Unless of course you have proof, pointing to public docs we can all check? No? Just rumor, as always? Thought so!

"Power to the people"

Dear Rf ,
Is that your best shot???? Well someone was guiding them??? who???? I do not think cervino and rizzo where in it for influnce etc. They just got had !! by who??? The same with the motel mogul who has dropped out of the game!

Better Living - so are you telling me it's okay to promote drinking in public as long as you pay for garbage pickup and police services. I heard that the BW pays for their own garbage pickup and also offered to pay the town $800k for police services. So tell me, what's wrong with the picture here?

Mattmurphy- The Chamber is a non-profit organization. They are forced to pay for these services by the town, in which, they should...
The Chamber has 2-3 of these events per year. Do you think that's fair?...

Residents First- I think that there's more to Corbally, Barrella and Tooker than just saying there pandering to the D4 'bennie come latelys" If you read Barrella's remarks in the answer response papers, he tells us that he has to close the windows, close the blinds, and put on AC so has not to deal with the tourist problems outside his home. I'm sure Corbally and Tooker could way in as well. . .In my opinion: it's personal with them?

LMAN- The Chamber pays to use the town's parking lot. Jenks/Martels "takes advantage" of the town's boardwalk.

Better Living----Another good example of the problem with BCL's. Where do you get the silly idea that the it is the town's boardwalk? Have you ever seen the document that creates any part of the Boardwalk? Do you know how many times, and how much money the Borough has spent trying to determine who owns the Boardwalk? Does the town have an obligation to repair the Boardwalk? Is that something the people who owned the land where the town built the boardwalk insisted on when they let the town build the boardwalk on their land? When the Town built the Boardwalk did they do so, like when the build any street, for the benefit of the people who own the land on the street? Does Bordens take advantage of the Town's Arnold Avenue? BCL's----opinions, without history---oy vey

Mattmurphy-... since you brought up the $800k.
The reason why we did not/could not accept the money, was because if Jenks/Martels defaulted (and it was very unclear) if the town had the right to enforce collection.

BL---You are right about that. Town has no legal way to enforce the agreement. So the answer was always withdraw ordinances and see if money show, if not do ordinances. As long as town insists they can make BW pay, deal can't get done because Town does not have power, as much as we all may think they should, to impose these payments, the so called local option taxes.

And when you recognize the Borough can only accept donations, not force payment, have Barrella, Tooker, Gordon and Corbally been helping to encourage donations?

BL---Sure, Jenks lawyers knew it. Does not mean offer not sincere. Why would it? Look at their lawyer's letter. Offer was to give 160K a year "no strings." In writing for all to see. Remember, Town can always pass ordinances. So the enforcement was: if BW does not donate, in go ordinances.

blindbert- to interject. . .didn't the motel mogul back Barrella in 2007 against Mayor Vogel, over repealing the motel/hotel tax. . .So to ask the proverbial question: where were you?. Didn't read any resident letters opposing Barrella, other than Barrella's: "...Leadership requires more than service. It requires a willingness to advance ideas which serve the best interest of the residents and taxpayers of PPB, and a willingness to listen and to genuinely consider the opinions of others..."(OS-6/01/2007) Hey Vince remember that??

Yes he listened to the people that are having problems in their neighborhood. He is advancing ideas that are meant to alleviate those problems that the residents are having who live in D4.

The BW was closed up a lot earlier years ago. Also their BW did not have near as many clients/aholes that disturb the peace!

The BW changed their business model and hugely expand the use! When ever any other use does that the land use boards require that they address the parking increases associated with that change and or expansion. The BW has changed a very little changes in parking!

Who owns the Boardwalk you ask? The town owns 16 feet in the middle of the boardwalk and is responsible for it. Remember that when the bill for repairs are due and handed to the 5,000 taxpayers who will have to pay for the safety and enjoyment of tens of thousands of patrons of private industry. Last estimate? Approx. 3 million dollars. Spin that one as a positive for all the residents of PPB.
Are we starting to get a clearer picture now of who is getting hosed here?

The gall to think that only some residents have a say on what goes on in their town. I often wonder why some think they or their ideas are more privilege that trump all others.

blindbert
NRTAC (NON RESIDENT TAXPAYER COMMITTEE)
There are 11 committee members and the vote went as follows:
Midnight close- 8 in favor 3 against
Parking D4 - 5 in favor 6 against
Out of the 11 members 4 are from district 4. Some members from other districts didn't really understand the parking plan. they wanted to know if the bars are closed at 12 why do we need the parking plan not understanding that no matter what time the bars close the patrons would still be walking into the streets. I believe if we voted again the outcome may have been different.
By the way, for all the BCL haters out there, we make up 45% of the tax payers in PPB not including BCLs that are living here full time.
So it is very possible that the rednecks of PPB are no longer the majority....

Ken, 45% of the taxpayers in PPB are non residents..

Clown baby, just curious, do you own and live in PPB?

I have a feeling Part Timer & Mr Happy are one in the same.

I think the term clamdigger would be more appropo then piney or redneck????

You refer to that cute little club. On national TV they call that a focus group to guage voter sentiiment of the entire nation!!!!!!

Mattmurphy-
Residents First confirmed my statement.
Please read the post from Residents First @10:29, June 29
Thanks

Clown BABY, you are so off target, please stop posting before you read my comments.
you are making a fool of yourself.............

Residents first, the 45% comes from Borough Hall, when forming the NRTAC we sent out a invitation request to all the Non Residents who would like to take part.

Kenn, yes only 11 members from the whole town. This is a committee hand picked with people such as Lawyers, Doctors, CPA, realestate agents as well as a police officer and a Mayor from another town.

Last word on who owns the boardwalk. Mr. Happy reports that the town owns the center portion and is responsible for repairs. Residents First labels that "misinformation" and then writes that the town owns the easement (center portion) and is responsible for the repairs........oh. Glad that was clarified.
Bottom line folks, Mr. Happy and Residents First both have reported the same fact.
They use it, we pay for it. Even the great Architect, Karl Rove, couldn't spin that fact.

Mattmurphy

BL is right---Barrella Tooker Gordon and Corbally tried to enforce payments ( in essence additional taxes) after the state said they could not---so there never was a way to make an enforceable agreement requiring the BW pay---such an agreement is illegal and Barrella Tooker Gordon and Corbally should have know that from the beginning, admitted they misled their squeaky wheel supporters, and accepted the donations the BW offered with “no strings attached”

Karl Rove is a criminal!!!!

Residents first, WOW
45% OF THE TAXPAYERS OF PPB ARE NON RESIDENTS, MEANING THEY OWN A HOME IN PPB BUT DO NOT VOTE... WOW

PT---No, sorry, as usual, you are just making up what you want to be true. In 2006, there were 664 second homes (25.7% of Residential taxpayers) and 510 seasonal rentals (17.9%) for a total of 42% of residential tax payers. But in PPB 38% of the taxed value was not residential (primarily commercial). So even in 2006, the amount paid by non resident tax payers was less than 25% of the tax revenue collected. Here is link http://www.pointpleasantbeach.org/documents/TourismStudy_2007.pdf

In the years since many non resident taxpayers have registered to vote here, whether because they moved permanently or for other reasons, so now the non resident taxpayer number is about 15 to 18%.of property taxes paid. You mislead, we correct.

And so what?---if you want to be heard register here and vote here.

PT---No, I'm not kidding. Instead, I'm actually quoting the source the folks who you spoke to at Borough Hall relied on in giving you the information you misunderstood. But because you do not care about the source of the nonsense you spew, you did not know that I was actually quoting the correct information from the source you misunderstood. did you?

Residents first, just, PAGE 9,10 and 11,
Full time residency 56.4%
Seasonal/second home residency 42.6% which is broken down as follows:
Seasonal homes 17.9%
Second homes 25.7%
Thats it, plain and simple... know were does it talk about commercial..
But thanks for providing that link so that I could prove that you are just another SPIN DOCTOR...

RESIDENTS, who did you just speak to at Borough Hall?
Funny because i just called and knowone is able to take the call being that it is a Saturday... HMMMMM

Part Timer is leaving the PATCH... ENJOY YOUR SUMMER........

Why do I need to speak to someone?---did you think the 42.6% in the study and the 45% you got from "Borough Hall" was a coincidence?

There are places where there are apartment in some of those commercial ratables!!
Like above the inlet ice cream parlor or above the canyon river club as two examples I am sure that there are more????

Hi Better Living-I hope we answered your question about the boardwalk ownership/responsibility. R First agreed (almost word for word) with Mr. Happy until he almost pulled a hammy backtracking and trying to explain an easement. Again folks, bottom line, the residents are literally being walked all over by the BW. We (taxpayers) will be responsible for repairing the gateway to the bars and beaches of private industry. Mr. Happy has now closed comments on this issue.
Also, keep in mind that R First clearly views the Mayor and Council with a jaundiced eye, so this issue or any other issues he writes about, aren't really about the actual issues. Pretty transparent actually.
Now folks, on to the Rythm Fest!

Spooner, Those two that I refered to has the owner;s family as registered voters and the owner living and voting in that same order.

Let's All try and remember Happy views the gang of four, Barrella, Tookr, Corbally and Gordon, through rose colored glasses........

He also has some personal animosity towards the BW or he would see that any municipal road is a "gateway to . . .private industry" paid for by we taxpayers

Not that I've heard any information about Tuesday's meeting but here is my guess as to what is going to happen. My guess is the ABC told the town this decision was not going to be in the town's favor and they should go back to the negotiations table to work something out. Translation bars will be open till 2am and the fab four along with the attorney will have tail between legs. My next guess is that a judge will issue a stay on the parking plan until a decision can be reached in court which could take a very very very very long time. Again the final decision will not be favorable to the fab four and their tails will remain between their legs.

It is a lot better than the last gang of four "the motel mogul bloc". It was the motel mogu's muckracking and hatemailers that took his town"S politics to a new low!

Hey Spooner, Is that any diiferant than the BW tax appeal. Well it is differant because it is a lot more money that that town does not get. Do the calcs for the land area of the beach and BW. See how much tax per square foot and compare to residential lots. How can they even get a comp, if not that many beaches have sold in NJ or the country in years??? The town can not tax a lot of the improvements because most of their rides are the carnival models that are not afffixed to the ground.The taxes would be a lot greater if something else were there and the resident had less headaches.

But they are not going give up on their Goose that lays golden eggs

"All Quiet on the Eastern Front"--- (of PPB). I know it's early to assess the parking plan, but I have to say this summer weekend has been the first in many years the the residents of my block have not been disturbed by over night marauders leaving the bars. Many thanks to the Mayor and Council!! I would bet even alot of the D4 residents that were originally against the plan are now thinking: "maybe this wasn't such a bad idea after all."

Pete

What is the conflict of interest ? You have to remember if you want this going to a higher court then the real truth will come out. Remember, these ordinances and especially the bar ordinance were /was written so the town could have a bargaining chip in their extortion attempt. Only one thing wrong and that is the bw didn't cave and now the poop will hit the fan. Remember, even mayor Barela said "closing the bars at midnight won't be good for anyone in point pleasant beach ". This was never about quality of life and was always about hurting two businesses and the courts will see that.

Hi Mailman-
Parking Plan went into effect on the 22nd.
The people parked after 12AM have been getting tickets.
You may want to fact check before posting. Thanks.

htd: That is how you are seeing it. Not everyone in town is. A few are calling it extortion, others are calling it like it is. To stop visitors that come in this town who frequent the bars on the boardwalk? Who is causing problems and havoc in district 4. Do I blame the boardwalk? NO, I blame their customers who frequent the boardwalk. Even the boardwalk bar owners have admitted to the problems and the reason they offered the amount of money they did a few times. It was not the first time they offered money all though it was a lot lower last time. Would that not be extortion on their part to offer money to make town officials look the other way on what their cliental causes in a residential area. Were residents can't even get any sleep at night. Anyone that can honestly say that PPB has not change is only kidding themselves. The problem I really have. Is when their seems to be two sets of rules depending on who you are. A town has the right to set their own bar hours as well as parking. It is done in many town. To bad it can't be on only the bars who are causing the problems. This should be easy proof from the police calls. The area they are going to the most. Who is getting the most tickets, fines and arrests. No matter who side someone is on. The law is the law. Should be same for everyone. It has always been the quality of life. I can bet there is more residents who live in d4 who are pleased with the measure because we have been complaining for a while.

Hi Mr. Happy. Granted. But as for number 1 and 2 on my list? Care to comment or should they just be understood as very valid points? Thank you and enjoy the day.

Pete

1. What conflict of interest with regards to Halfacre ?
2. You clearly said you want to stop visitors that come to this town who frequent the bars on the boardwalk. That's called discrimination and not legal.

Mailman, Mr. Happy cannot comment on 1 and 2 because you are correct! And I know of several year round residents of dist 4 that forgot to rehang their hang tags and got tickets, they ARE NOT HAPPY about a $48 fine for parking in front of their own home. You cannot drive around with your placard, it is illegal to dive with an obstruced view!

Hi Mailman- Contrary to Ray C, Mr. Happy can comment on:
#1- Yes the police are doing a good job.
#2- The bars can stay open until 2. Mr. Happy doesn't really care.
The essential ordinance is the parking plan. I have stated this before. It seems to be working well and I doubt anyone will want to rescind it and hope that the overnight problems won't continue to plague D4, even with stepped up enforcement. This ordinance provides relief for D4 and should be vigorously defended. Since you did not know the ordinance was in effect as of the 22nd, I will assume you are not a resident of D4 and consequently not affected by the behavior the residents have had to endure; but you don't have to rely on Mr. Happy's view. I think if you ask most D4 residents who don't have agendas, you will find that the feeling that we have gotten our neighborhoods back, is the prevailing attitude here.

Mr. Happy: I hope you are right. I know a few D4 who are very unhappy with the parking plan ordinances. I know some residents that want the early bar closing to go through and not the parking. Others do not want either and some that want both. So it is a mix...either way every tax paying resident is entitled to their own opinion without getting attacked or to be afraid to speak out. If there is any problems in the town, schools every resident should be able to speak without any repercussion.

I don't have a problem with that. Sounds like a good idea to me. But... all ordinances should be decided by the council members that the town's people voted in. Is every single resident going to like ever decision that each one make? The answer is NO! Is everyone going to happy with every single decision? The answer is No! There is going to be some for it and others against it. Either way... to many jump to conclusion, assume what they think will happen...You have to try. They did say it was a pilot program. It is a temporary program, it could work, or it can fail or just be adjusted. The council has an obligation to try to make the town run efficient, safe and the best way it can. If the bar patrons are channeled to the town lot, you would think their would be less problems or disturbance for the neighbors. Time will tell. Then you have some that feel the whole town is centered on too much partying, to much alcohol. They feel ending at 12 is enough especially when the boardwalk itself is considered a family resort beach town.

Spooner
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If a value of 2 million an acre for ocean front is considered fair??

Tthat would mean that waterfront non-ocean front D4 lots that are 50 wide and 125 deep to the mwhl bulkhead (6250sf slighlty@ more than 6 per acre at an assessed 800 K per lot. are taxed at 7 times as much( I have not even compared the south of risdens lots????) as the the ocean front beach lots per square foot before improvements.

Then consider how much $ ka-ching you can make from each of those uses per square foot , That is to mhwl on both ! So I ask what is fair. Then I ask you if you take the area of the Ocean front as a % of the town's area , What is the diiferantial in payment??? you have to consider that police servies probably cost a lot more than the other sevices required per square foot!

I do agree that commercial areas do not have the same school cost .

But wtf the enforecement required does have an associated cost????

blindbert...got me confused...that $2M is your assessor's figure give or take. . .not what is considered fair. . .don't know how you would apply that word unless it was a taking of property under eminent domain, using the expression "paying fair market value"

...your saying that the beach front property is under assessed. . .your numbers: 6 lots at 800K per waterfront lot...comes to $4.8M...yet that 1+ Acre beach front lot opposite Silver Lake is assessed at $1.8M. . .Don't know what to tell you. . .but I recall a while back having this conversation with Councilman Corbally? It's possible that beaches are considered limited development...questions a professional assessor could answer and explain. . .

Dear Resident First,

My computer will not let me open up the Tourism pdf. But since you seem to be all telling and knowledgeable in these matters please opine regarding;

Who Invest the $1.8 mill?

Is that for muncipal services?

Who gets the $12 Million R.O.I.?

thanks

I note a discussion in another forum concerning how we got to the point we are now with these ordinances. I repeat an earlier post on this issue:

What’s wrong is the way we arrived at this point. We all know the solution to the problems with tourists. The solution is to fund the police necessary for enforcement. How did we forget that?
The answer is: folks moved to PPB who asked why do the taxpayers have to fund police? Politicians Barrella, Tooker, Gordon, and Corbally ran on a platform of “make the tourists pay more of the cost for police.” Sounds good.
But we have now all learned it can’t be done without approval from Trenton. Unfortunately, in their zeal to get elected, these politicians neglected to mention that there was no way, legally, to impose these local option taxes. Giving them the benefit of the doubt, maybe they just did not know.
So they came up with a plan to close the bars early, unless the bars paid to stay open. Somebody decided this would get around the known prohibition on local option taxes. At the same time these politicians pretended to negotiate a payment from the Boardwalk business.

But Barrella and company got fooled. The BW haters who provided their slim margin of victory were never going to let them make a deal with the BW.
So when Barrella Tooker Gordon and Corbally realized they were not going to be able to make the BW pay for police, and they could not, politically, make a deal with the BW they were left with no choice but to close the bars early. Their supporters would not let them do anything else.
We have arrived at this point because Barrella Tooker Gordon and Corbally are too focused on the next election. Despite their rhetoric, their actions prove these elected officials are not looking out for the best interests of the residents of PPB. They are only looking out for themselves. And if you love PPB this whole thing just makes you want to throw up

And now the issue is: which ones of the Gang of four will stand up for PPB, and which ones will stay focused on their political ambitions?

D4; That is your version. Some feel the council and Mayor is looking out for the best interest of the residents of PPB. You are just speaking for yourself and very small group.

Pete:

Not really so small. Remember the Mayor and Council pushed Loder hard. Letters, rob calls, etc. Yet Loder lost----badly.

The above opinions are based on these facts:

1. Politicians Barrella, Tooker, Gordon, and Corbally ran on a platform of “make the Boardwalk pay more”

2. Local option taxes were suggested by Barrella, Tooker, Gordon, and Corbally

3. Local option taxes require permission from the state legislature

4. Barrella asked

5. The legislature said no

6. The pay to stay open ordinance was an attempt to impose local option taxes

7. Barrella lost the popular vote in the last election (more people voted for someone else (Lurie or Reid) than voted for Barrella), and lost outright in all districts except my district, D4

8. The squeaky wheels complain about the tourist in D4

But tell me PETE----are the Council people who are really for the residents going to take the money and leave the bars open, or leave the Bars closed, turn down the 160K per year, and take their chances on the ABC some of their supporters have alleged is “corrupt?”

"We are still open until 2AM and there are no new parking restrictions. We appreciate our customers and will announce any change." This is from the Jenk's Nightclub website. In bold letters. Here we have an industry advertising campaign that knowingly is setting up their patrons for $48 parking tickets. If this is how they "appreciate" the customers, what might they think, or care, about the town?
Spin this one BW lovers. Even the biggest supporters of the BW may find themselves rethinking where they have cast their lot. It's not too late.

Now Now Mr.Happy, quit trying to change the subject. Your one of Barrella's main supporter, how about you answer:

Are the Council people who are really for the residents going to take the money and leave the bars open, or leave the Bars closed, turn down the 160K per year, and take their chances on the ABC some of their supporters have alleged is “corrupt?”

Spooner; The town is offering free parking in the municipal lot. I think, 12 to 6 am. The BW should be all over that. They should be relaying this message to all their customers. I know, I would be letting my customers know. More money for them to spend at their place. Over 1000 tourist industry employees? All these employee's will be losing their job for closing 2 hrs earlier. I am not saying I agree with closing earlier, but some of the excuses that I read on this article and other pertaining to this same subject are far fetched and ridiculous.

The Barrella supporters do not want to answer the question. People, what would you like:: Do you want the GB to take the money and leave the bars open, or leave the Bars closed, turn down the 160K per year, and take the chance the ABC will void the ordinance?

Hi D4- Mr. Happy has already answered the bar ordinance issue and what the Mayor and Council may or may not do. It's still the same. I don't care. The streets are clear at 12AM as per the parking ordinance, that's the real D4 issue.
Also, I don't see anyone defending the Jenk's ad telling their customers that there are no parking restrictions. Too toxic for y'all? You bet. I wonder if the Ocean Star or Patch is going to ask MaryLou for an explanation? Sure hope Mr. Mulshine is aware of this ad campaign...............

D4: How can this be answered honestly? When you have different residents who happens to like one ordinance and not the other. Some might want the money and others do not. Some would rather the closing and others do not. Some like the parking ordinances and others do not. Just because someone supports the Mayor and council on some issues, does not mean they support them on every issue. Some residents don't want to take the money because they are going to get constantly accused and reminded that it is extortion. That is what most of the BW supporters are claiming. So they are the ones who shot themselves in the foot. This money has always been attended to help the town pay for the extra police needed to keep the BW area under control.