'State Should Patrol Boardwalk After Midnight,' says Point Beach Mayor
Barrella says state should send troopers since it won't let the town close bars at midnight
Point Beach Mayor Vincent Barrella says he will ask Gov. Chris Christie to send state troopers to patrol the boardwalk after midnight because the state is allowing bars to serve alcohol past that time.
Barrella says he'll ask the Borough Council to support a request he'll make for state troopers to police "the center of the boardwalk from midnight to 2 or 3 a.m." since the state Division of Alcoholic Beverage Control has temporarily blocked the town from enforcing an ordinance for bars to stop serving alcohol by midnight.
"I'll write to the governor, in light of the state interference, to send in 18 state troopers a night, so I can pull our officers off the boardwalk and put them into residential neighborhoods," Barrella said.
Since the state won't allow the town to do what's needed to help improve quality of life for residents, "it should fall upon the state to pay for this," Barrella said.
He said if the state won't send troopers, "the town will not put public safety at risk, obviously."
Since towns are allowed to regulate bars' hours of operation, Barrella says he is questioning the ABC decision that temporarily keeps Point Beach from doing that.
ABC has acknowledged that municipalities are allowed to regulate the hours that bars can serve alcohol.
However, in a decision released last Friday night, ABC Director Michael Halfacre temporarily blocked the town from doing that by granting "a stay" to a local ordinance that would have compelled bars to stop serving alcohol by midnight instead of the current 2 a.m. cut-off, starting this past Sunday night.
Halfacre, in his five-page decision released at about 7:15 p.m. Friday, notes that the town had considered a second ordinance for the bars to "pay a surcharge to remain open until 2 a.m."
"Although the second ordinance was ultimately not passed by the governing body, the substantial factual history dating back at least a year, including various public comments made by elected officials, combined with the surcharge ordinance in its various iterations, gives rise to a legitimate inquiry into the motivations behind an otherwise valid exercise of municipal authority," Halfacre wrote.
Barrella says he doesn't understand Halfacre's legal reasoning. For example, he says, the very case that Halfacre later cites in his decision, A&P v. Mayor and Council of Point Pleasant Beach, 1987, says that the "motivations of the governing body are irrelevant to the validity of the ordinance, absent a showing of fraud, personal interest or corruption," according to a copy of the A&P decision.
"Does the director think that the Point Pleasant Beach governing body acted in bad faith?" Barrella asked at a meeting with reporters on Thursday.
"I'll ask for an emergency hearing to appeal this," Barrella said. "But, on a practical basis, I don't think this will be decided by the end of the summer. So what he's effectively done is mandate 2 a.m. bar closings for the summer."
Validity of bar ordinance still to be decided
Last Friday's decision was the first of two expected from ABC. Jenkinson's and Martell's appealed the local ordinance, adopted on May 15, that would have compelled bars to stop serving alcohol by midnight.
The two boardwalk companies asked the state ABC to grant a stay, which it has now done, and to invalidate the ordinance, which is yet to be decided.
The wording of Halfacre's decision granting the stay seems to suggests that he agrees with the legal argument used by boardwalk attorneys.
That argument is that because the town had come close to adopting a second ordinance offering bars the option to pay a fee to stay open past midnight, the first ordinance, for the midnight cut-off, is tainted and should be invalidated.
The question of whether the state should invalidate the ordinance will be the subject of a hearing before an administrative law judge and then go back to Halfacre, who can approve it or reject it, said Zach Hosseini, an ABC spokesperson.
A town appeal of the stay would go before the state Appellate Division, Hosseini said.
The Parker House has a "more onerous" arrangement that what Point Beach asked of its boardwalk businesses, says mayor
Barrella questioned how ABC can put the brakes on Point Beach's effort to curtail alcohol sales, especially when The Parker House has an arrangement in Sea Girt that is "more onerous."
The Parker House, 8-12 Beacon Blvd., Sea Girt, pays the town $60,000 per year for police coverage, beyond the basic cost of the license itself, to be permitted to renew its seasonal liquor license to serve alcohol until 11:30 p.m. outside on its porch, according to the resolution. Barrella said the bar must stop serving alcohol inside by midnight.
The Sea Girt resolution says that The Parker House, which is in a single-famiy, residential zone, had been required to comply with conditions on its license starting in 1980. Those conditions had been lifted and then imposed again "because some of the abuses had recurred," the resolution says.
The conditions include the 11:30 p.m. cut-off for alcohol "service and consumption" on the porch and a payment schedule for the $60,000 for police costs, the resolution says.
Hosseini said the Sea Girt arrangement was agreed to by the Parker House owners and the town and the ABC merely approved it. It's not as though ABC conjured up the terms to be imposed on Parker House and mandated them as a condition of license renewal, he said.
"In Point Pleasant Beach, it's a different situation, because there is no agreement between the owners and the town," Hosseini said. "We were not asked to approve an agreement.
"We were asked to do two things: rule on whether to grant a stay and on whether the ordinance should be invalidated," Hosseini said. "So far, we've only ruled on the first question.
"The town will have the opportunity to present all of their legal arguments before an administrative law judge and, if they appeal the stay, before the Appellate Division, should they agree to hear the case," Hosseini said.
Is politics afoot?
Barrella said he questions whether political connections had anything to do with Halfacre's decision to grant the stay.
"In light of his allegations of bad faith, did Halfacre use his position as ABC Director to improperly assist those who profit from late-night drinking and/or aid in the election of the pro-late-night drinking candidates Reid and Cortes?" Barrella asked, referring to Republican council candidates Stephen Reid, who was appointed to council late last year, and Andy Cortes.
"Has the director abused his office?" Barrella asked. "I believe it's a fair question."
When asked, "What's the answer?" Barrella replied, "I'm not making any accusations. I'm just laying out the facts and the connections and people can decide for themselves. In some towns, you have to connect the dots. In Point Pleasant Beach, the dots connect themselves."
Hosseini said he would not respond to questions about political motivations.
Barrella cited the following as examples of political connections between local and state Republicans and boardwalk businesses that, when viewed as a whole, make him question whether they had any connection to the stay being granted:
- In 2009, David Bassinder, owner of Martell's, hosted a $500 or $1,000-a-plate fundraiser dinner for then-gubernatorial candidate Chris Christie, who appointed Halfacre as ABC Director earlier this year.
- Longtime Jenkinson's attorney Ed McGlynn was on that organizing committee.
- Reid, before he was a councilman but while he was president of the local GOP club, invited Halfacre to an April 28, 2011, local GOP club meeting. At the time, Halfacre was Fair Haven mayor and had not yet been appointed director. Also, Barrella said, Reid had been a paid consultant for Jenkinson's regarding its development of a bar and restaurant on the north end.
Reid said that he invited Halfacre to the local Republican organization meeting because he felt he was an example of a Republican mayor who had done a great job in his town by cutting taxes for three years in a row.
"It sounds like Barrella is making allegations against me, and against Mike Halfacre, that sound a little slanderous," Reid said. "My next phone call will be to my lawyer. I never had a relationship with Mike Halfacre. He cut taxes as mayor, that's all I knew of the man. No one had a hand in this decision for the stay. It's made up.
"The mayor better keep his mouth shut," said Reid, clearly agitated. "The only thing I want to hear from the mayor is 'I'm sorry, Stephen Reid.' "
As for working for Jenkinson's, Reid said he did minimal "grass roots lobbying" work for Jenkinson's a few years ago, that it has not colored his political positions or votes on any boardwalk matters and that it has nothing to do with a decision made by a state official last week.
- Barrella said that Councilman Tim Lurie, while he is a registered Democrat, has consistently been opposed to the earlier bar closing and had also done work for Jenkinson's regarding that same north end project.
When this has come up previously, Lurie has said he did a minor amount of consulting work for Jenkinson's, testifying about historical photographs of past use of the north end of the boardwalk. He has said that was a few years ago and has had no bearing on any of his votes regarding matters involving the boardwalk and that any accusations to the contrary are false and unfair.
- The boardwalk business owners have strong ties to the Ocean County Republican organization, chaired by George Gilmore, who has ties to Gov. Christie and is also borough attorney for Seaside Heights.
Seaside, Barrella noted, has, for years, had a parking plan on its county roads, as well as its municipal roads, that is far more onerous than the new Point Beach District 4 parking plan. And yet, he said, the county will not allow Point Beach to implement that parking plan on its county roads.
Ocean County Administrator Carl Block has said Seaside will have to stop its program involving residents leasing spaces in front of their houses, prohibiting anyone else from parking there. The Point Beach plan restricts parking only from midnight until 6 a.m.
- A lawsuit to block the parking plan was filed by John Jackson, current Republican Party President in Point Beach, but the brief was written and filed by Ron Gasiorowski, who also represents Jenkinson's and Martell's in their own lawsuit against the parking plan, as well as other matters.
"Negotiations" become "extortion"
Barrella notes that the boardwalk businesses had voluntarily entered into negotiations to discuss the possibility of paying fees for police costs to help avert midnight bar closings.
The businesses, in fact, came up with an offer to pay $160,000 per year, totalling to $800,000 over a 5 year period, to help pay for police. That offer was ultimately rejected by a narrow majority of councilmembers who said the businesses would not agree to the town imposing any mechanism, such as a restriction on their liquor licenses, that would enable the town to enforce payment of the fees every year.
In a May letter, Gasiorowski, attorney for the two boardwalk businesses, wrote that if the council passed the second ordinance giving bars option to pay fees to serve later than midnight, that his clients would pay those fees.
So, Barrella says, how can the boardwalk businesses then accuse the town of "extortion" and, ultimately, the director say the council was "acting in bad faith" by discussing fees when the boardwalk businesses were part of those discussions on and off for months and went so far as to offer an amount to be paid and also said if an ordinance was passed mandating fees be paid to stay open until 2 a.m. they would pay the fees?
Barrella also questioned whether Halfacre is interjecting some political considerations into "what should be a legal argument."
When asked to explain that, Barrella said that in his decision, Halfacre says the town can address the late night problems through additional police, restrictions on the liquor licenses, or "violations to the appellants seeking suspensions of their licenses."
Barrella said by "political," he means the director is suggesting other ways for the town to address the problems officials feel are emanating from bar patrons, but that the director should not be suggesting those because those are local decisions for local officials.
Mr. Happy
11:15 am on Friday, July 6, 2012
Sounds like the Mayor has upended the rocks that have been dormant for decades.
And it ain't pretty, is it folks? Carry on Mayor, the people are with you!
D4 Resident
11:40 am on Friday, July 6, 2012
No, Mr. Happy, the people are NOT with you. This mayor is an embarrassment. Local officials are elected to work WITH their community - ALL members of a community - not just the squeeky wheels. Have you taken a look around our wonderful little town this past week? It is full of families and visitors spending money in our community, behaving responsibly, making memories. We should be THANKING Jenkinsons and Martells for they have made PPB the great place it is. Are there a few bad apples? Yes, of course. We should be working TOGETHER to solve the late night problems. All the mayor has done is show that he is a FAILURE at working with his community. This press conference is a perfect example of his flawed personality and failure to be an effective mayor.
Ray Criptkie
12:54 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Aw poor Vinny lost again!
Full Timer
1:06 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
I'm people and a D4 resident and NOT with him.
PPNB
1:35 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
The people are with you.... isn't that what they said to jim jones
Part Timer
1:47 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Mr Happy, I am with you.....
Sam
2:26 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
The country club atmosphere has to be stopped in this town. Residents are in fear to speak up. They will be ostracized just as the Mayor has been for trying to stop the wrong doing. Just look at some of the comments on here, that should tell everyone that reads these comments something. Residents can't say anything about the country club police or the schools. If they do their will be some sort of retaliation. Individuals are talking all over the place, not just PPB. As many have stated one time or another. There is three sides. One side, the other and then there is the truth. Some are going around stating that the police will be giving out tickets to the locals that spoke in favor of the bar closings if their 0/T hours are cut. Some are fearful that something will be planted on them. Residents should not have to live in such fear to speak up. These comments were not even in PPB, it was at a baseball field in Toms River....Did not even know who they were. Just that they were friends with a PPB police and that is what was told to him. This town is getting crazy and scary.
George
3:14 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
This is good Stuff. At last the Barrella Benny Come Latelys are admitting there is nothing they like about the town they moved to. They don't like the way the schools are run, they don't like the way the police are run. They think it is a Country Club. And they are paranoid. Time for all of those who were fooled to come back home, and leave these loonys to themselves. Can you hear me Jack?
Joe
4:41 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Full Timer, Speak for yourself... I am a D4 resident, not everyone is with you.
outofthebeach4now
11:29 am on Friday, July 6, 2012
Blowhard Vinnie at his best.
beachmom46
11:38 am on Friday, July 6, 2012
Poor Vinnie, the more the man speaks, the dumber he sounds. How can an effective leader can anything done when he bad mouths the Governor, Legislature, Freeholders, Head of Community Affairs & ABC, people in this community and members of the GB. I guess the shorter list is who he does get along with.
Ray Criptkie
12:55 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
He likes Mr Happy
Sam
3:24 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Just another mother who is in denial about their town. Sorry, he is smarter than you think. If only you would look a little harder. This town has serious problems because of what was allowed and overlooked. You think I am kidding, Go ask Former Councilmen Hennessy what happened to him when he spoke up against the schools. The teachers in the school became political involved, told the kids that this councilmen was cutting the budget by 1 million dollars, cutting all sports and extra curricular activities. They put the fear in them, the students went home to their parents.....Put the fear in them,,,,next thing you know. Parents and students went to the councilmen's house, yelling and screaming at him. They were calling him names, harassing him and making threats as his very small sons were watching. The thing is some parents were getting blamed that was not even there because of the political nonsense that goes on. Teachers should not be allowed to this, I do not care, Well, it is H.S. level, no harm done, that by the way was not limited to the H.S... I am sure it is not just happening in the PPB school system, it is the fact the town is so small, easier to connect the dots and you find out sooner. My own experience nothing can be said about the schools in general, if a parent or student says anything that is wrong...they will take it out on the kids who parents have complained.
George
3:32 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Sam ---I have to thank you for showing everybody what we have been saying for years. Barrella and his followers have no interest in the PPB we grew up loving. They want to remake the town into their own Benney Come Lately paradise. Don't think that is going happen, do you?
Sam
3:48 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
You know it is pretty bad when you get a letter in the mail from the superintendent. Letting and telling the community school parents not to send any Anonymous letters out. They were getting so many letters of complaints. Informing the parents that the board of education will not accept any anonymous letters. If anyone needs to talk, just set up an appointment and his door is open. This was known do to the letter he sent, everyone was talking about this. Parents and their kids should not have to fear retaliation as former Councilmen Hennessy had to, as well as our Mayor or anyone that is trying to go against something that is clearly wrong. I am sure Council Hennessy even put a letter in the Ocean Star's opinion section.
Fred
12:05 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
I personally do not understand his logic here - After reading all of the stories regarding this - I found it hysterical that almost all of the 'trouble' they had complained about at some of the meetings happened WELL before 2 a.m. - and most were WELL before 12 a.m. It's not the bars fault -it's the bennies...Crack down on bad behavior not the businesses! And as far as Sea Girt vs Pt. Pleasant - Apples and Oranges - There is no Boardwalk in Sea Girt ergo - the bennies that you get in Sea Girt are a completely different breed than you get in Point... Maybe this dude and his cronies who own rental properties near the boardwalk should get their heads out of the sand and look at the real problem... I mean really - how is closing the bars any earlier (except maybe 5 pm) going to stop people having sex on the beach at 7 pm or Bennies out of control at motels at 6 pm?! Anybody have an answer for that?!
Part Timer
1:50 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Get the rednecks like yourself out of town....
Part Timer is A Liar
2:58 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Part Timer--we clamdiggers were here first. Why not go back to LBI where your "cousin" told you the town closed a bar. I hear the area around Joe Pops and/or the Sea Shell or Ketch would be perfect for you. We do not want you here in PPB with your Benny Come Lsately everbody change for me attitude. Good riddance. PS Appreciate all the clues to who you are. Might as well use your real name we know who you are and we know where you live. So please keep insulting us
Joe
4:30 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Part Timer is A Liar: Are you threatening someone?
Joe
4:31 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Fred, You are in denial.
Fred
4:43 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Really? Denial about what? That the Pt. Pleasant isn't Sea Girt? Or that the council was complaining about 7 pm and people having sex on the beach? Both completely true - and not a darn thing to deny there...
Part Timer
7:23 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
You threaten me... that means you are threatening my wife and children.
Don't go there.................................
Tell me then if you know everything about me....
Why are you changing your name EVERY DAY...
Part Timer
7:34 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Part Timer is A Liar
See that is why i call you a dumb redneck. First you say you clamdiggers were here first, then you tell a benny to back to LBI which is further south you jackass.
Spooner
12:14 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Mayor- in your usual diatribe...you leave out one small point. . .the Gasiorowski letter dated May 9. . .you know and anybody reading that letter knows... that the town had agreed to accept the offer. . .until unnamed individuals either there or telephonically chanced the game plan(were you one of them?). . . You's went back to the table now stating you will only accept the money contingent upon the BW dropping their parking lawsuit. . .Are you calling Gasiorowski a liar?
PS: stop cherry picking the A&P vs. Mayor of Point Pleasant Beach(220 NJ Super 119,128)...the Court said:in order to consider the evidence of public sentiment, the sentiment "must be substantially wide spread in the community" or supported by "a long established pattern of community conduct". . .That gives the Director the right to make a determination of those sentiments...
Mr. Happy
12:16 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Hi beachmom- It should be noted that the list of people Poor Vinnie "bad mouthed" have one thing in common. All Republican. The Mayor mentions connect the dots in the long version press conference. You gave us the short version, from top to bottom.
Both versions are without dispute. Classic David and Goliath.
Spooner
12:35 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
...but nevertheless: the (R)'s, (D)'s, & (I)'s have begun a campaign against the FAB 4...it goes like this: (ABT) -- Anybody But Tooker, (ABC) -- Anybody But Corbally, (ABG) -- Anybody But Gordon, and MOST IMPORTANTLY......(DWB) -- Down With Barrella!
nobody
1:05 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
It should be noted that Mr. Happy's leader started out as a R. He was put in his position as mayor by the very R's that he now bashes at every opportunity. In classic Vinnie fashion he had a disagreement with the majority of the republican club members over his failed parking plan and rather then work through the differences he took his toy's, went home, and proceeded to bash and blame all republicans for disagreeing with him. Our Mayor has caused PPB to be disgraced in the media and instead of being that quaint little town at the shore we have become a laughing stock. Also does anybody else find it interesting that Mr. Happy was the first to comment on this article 15 minutes after it came out. "Just Saying"!
Stella McDella
12:21 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Did the boardwalk people pay off the state? Btw why don't we have a Pinkberry or an In and Out Burger in New Jersey anywhere?
A Resident
12:21 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Embarrassing move by the mayor.
Wonder what he would do if the SP did come for a weekend, had very few issues to actually deal with, and reported that info back to the public.
Ray Criptkie
12:58 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Then Vinny would cry that the State police were controlled by the big bad republicans that think he is insane!
pd
1:59 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Exactly. They should let the State Police come to give a true account of what happens in the surrounding area when the bars close so that Barella and friends will have nothing to stand on as far as their reasoning goes. By the way he's behaving, you would think that the beach was in a state of emergency.
George
3:10 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
What think? We know he is insane. Why do you think we kicked him out? Tooker and Gordon are next.
Joe
6:53 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
What we really need is the IRS to follow the money to all the government politicians and games, the boardwalk and follow the beach badges and free drinks.
D4 Resident
12:22 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Wrong. Vinny Barrella is no biblical David.
nobody
1:43 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Your right, he is a childish arrogant want-to-be dictator!
Barrella is a Sore Loser
12:56 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
More spin from the Loser. What is so hard to understand? The A& P decision Barrela talks about said ordinance no good if he finds "fraud, personal interest or corruption" which is just what he found in his decision when he said the Borough acted with "bad faith and an illegitimate purpose." And based on these new comments by the Mayor It doesn't appear there will much trouble probiving that, huh?
Full Timer
1:12 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
How embarrassing is this, asking the governor to have State Police patrol the boardwalk? Sure sends a negative sign to tourists about the safety of our town, which is probably part of his plan to scare people away. I don't believe the State Police patrol urban areas like Paterson and Newark so I would be very surprised if the governor agrees. Of course, if "his honor" is turned down, he could request the National Guard next.
nobody
1:25 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
I'm sure when he is turned down it will be the states fault and politically motivated by some republican somewhere.
Opinionated
1:44 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Full Timer, I express my sympathy to you. I used to say PPB was becoming more like Lakewood each day. I must now revise that to beyond that point and heading for Newark, Paterson, and Camden. You really need to start that recall petition drive.
Joe
4:56 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
nobody, Don't forget the boardwalk too. They are good for a few beach passes and beers.
nobody
1:14 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
18 highly trained New Jersey state troopers to patrol the middle of the BW? Does anybody know what the middle of the BW looks like between 12am and 2am. It is a ghost town! the only place anything is going on at those hours is the people coming and going to the clubs and the pizza place. But don't worry 18 state troopers being deployed to the BW every night won't affect state taxes at all. If Vinnie put half the effort he puts into his vendetta into working for the town he might get something done.
SoylentGreen
4:58 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
I'm sure the Troopers will jump at the chance for that duty. Too bad most of them will too be busy flirting with the ladies to actually do any good.
Joe
6:54 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
MrcommonSense, That and free beach badges and drinks.
Sal Menilla
1:15 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
I told ya not to be stupid,..ya moron!- Ben Stern
JD
1:18 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Barrella is a moron and a bully....
He is similar to Acropolis in Brick...
Joe
8:03 am on Thursday, July 12, 2012
JD.....What about you? You are not!!!!
Opinionated
1:39 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Sounds like Mayor Barrella has lost control of the situation and is unable to effectively continue as Mayor of PPB. If he feels his PD cannot keep the peace then he should replace them or bolster their presence. We ALL know that the Law Enforcement Officer there are more than capable of doing their job. Their only problem is due to incompetent town officials. Perhaps the state should intervene by replacing him due to mental incapacity and hold immediate elections. Let's face it folks, this sounds like a request we would here from a Camden, etc. Hey Mr. Happy, the reason for the stay by the ABC is due to the antics of your heroes which he has deemed to be questionable at best. Hey, here any good PPB jokes lately? This article has filled with them.
ppb1955
1:58 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Mayor Barrella should resign he is causing great damage to the reputation of point pleasant beach. We as a town have been portrayed in the media as a party place thanks to Mayor Barrella. Vinny Barrella is without a doubt the worst mayor in the history of point pleasant beach. This time around he should resign or be recalled.
Joe
5:01 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Point Pleasant Beach is the one who is losing their reputation of the town by covering every thing up.
George
5:12 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Joe coverig what up how? Accusations, no facts. Wishful thinking.
D4 Resident
7:00 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
I would like to see another recall effort put forth. Does anyone know how to go about this? I am happy to help.
Sam
2:01 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Clearly you can see where all these ignorant comments are coming from. Individuals with agendas that are running scared, with the exception of Happy. It is tough when someone has to break up the party of corruption. No one wants it to end. They make it so easy to connect the dots for sure.
ppb1955
2:22 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Mayor Barrella is the one that sounds ignorant . He is the one who is bringing point point beach into the spotlight in a negative way in the media. Mayor Barrella is not a true leader that can bring point beach back together. I am sorry to say but he dosent listen or take advice very well. And he has no people skills at all. Vinny Barrella he is the one with the agenda.
nobody
2:29 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Typical Barrelista!! Everybody else must be wrong. I know, I know it must be the silent majority!!
Spooner
3:22 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Sam- you missed Barrella's corruption machine in action...
People: The new Assistant Clerk is Janet Mutter. She is the sister-in-law of Kristine Tooker's boyfriend Eric Mutter. Now isn't that just so cozy...that Tooker manages to hire a family member for the position that she fought so hard to create?Talk about NEPOTISM ! The FAB 4 are the biggest hypocrites going and some of them running down to the property assessor getting their taxes lowered while they raise yours. . .Isn't that right Ms. Tooker?
MoonDogie
8:47 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
And Spooner, let's all keep a close eye on the "new here" to see if the town will be paying for the training and classes to become certified for this position. The position that Ms. Tooker lobbied for. The position that was filled by Ms. Tooker's acquaintance. Nepotism= More money out of our pockets.
ppb1955
2:02 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
VINNY BARRELLA SHOULD RESIGN OR BE RECALLED BEFORE HE RUINS OUR PROPERTY VALUES WITH HIS SCARE TACTICS. HE SHOULD MOVE BACK TO BROOKLYN.
Sam
4:22 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Spooner, Face it, the town is corrupt any way it can. Not only did Councilmen's Reid, and Lurie do a minimal amount of work for the BW at least the amount that the town can prove. The boardwalk gives a lot of jobs & donations everywhere you turn to make decisions that side with them. Just look what former Councilmen's Dyer & Rizzo did and got away with... they are all doing the same thing. He also was working with the boardwalk. They are all playing with fire.
beachmom46
4:49 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
I didn't sign the recall the last time, but perhaps you are right. This man is single handedly ruining our town. I would sign it now
George
5:25 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Sam---if what Dyer and Rizzio did was wrong, why couldn't Barrella do anything about it? No ethics complaint? No investigation? What, he just looked the other way so he could make political hay? Or maybe he did not have proof, just rumor and innuendo? What ya think?
D4 Resident
7:01 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
I would like to see another recall effort put forth. Does anyone know how to go about this? I am happy to help.
Joe
9:39 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Moon Dogie, You are sniffing glue...NEPOTISM IS RAMPANT IN THIS TOWN AND EVERY TOWN.....Go connect the dots in School, Town, Police and Boardwalk. You have parents and their kids that work in the schools that is married to policemen that work for the boardwalk too... they are all bloodsucking leeches.
George
9:53 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
It is a small town Joe---of course your girl Tooker the toker just reached outside our small town to hire her boyfriend's sister in law, didn't she? But I guess that is OK with you
Sam
4:20 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
Property Values have nothing to do with what you are calling Scare Tactics. Maybe if you took your head out some of your supporters butts, you would be able to see more clearly. The town RepubliCONS already tried a recall once, THEY FAILED! They already looked like a fool once. With all those who are complaining about Mayor Barrella and shouting him back to Brooklyn is not working. It is apparent that Spooner has his own agenda, he does not even live in the town of Point Pleasant Beach. He also has attacked our schools and police on more than one occasion along with the RepuliCons that have been running the show... How easily everyone forgets.
Opinionated
2:56 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
The people from Jersey Shore are upset that the circus act in PPB will make them less of an embarrassment to NJ. This could adversely affect their TV ratings. Hey, Mayor Barrella, they can blame their behavior on alcohol. What's your excuse?
Joe
5:08 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
The late night bar patrons, the jersey shore look a likes that come here.
Beach_N8iv
3:35 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
The state should come in and look at a few things. I have suggestions if they would like to ask.
Joe
5:05 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
So, do I, Don't stop at the state troopers, send the Internal revenue to follow the dots and cash.
George
5:19 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Joe the conspiracy theorist. What dots what cash? Nobody's buying the Barrellistas vague unsubstantiated conspiracy theories. Looks like Paranoia to us. But keep trying, you make it worse for Barrella with each post.
Beach_N8iv
7:50 am on Monday, July 9, 2012
How about back dated permits? Ignored violations? Selective enforcement? You know, small town politics AKA, business as usual.
lj
4:00 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
VINNIE, YOU ARE A CANCER. GO AWAY. RESIGN AND MOVE. YOUR DISRUPTIONS AND BELLICOSE NATURE ADD TO NOTHING POSITIVE TO OUR TOWN. YOU DO NOT REPRESENT YOUR RESIDENTS. WE HAVE A THRIVING DOWNTOWN THAT IS IN CONCERT WITH OUR ATTRACTIONS AND YOU CHOOSE TO BE DISRUPTIVE. WHAT ARE THE FACTS REGARDING THE BOARDWALK? I DON'T THINK YOU KNOW THEM! CAN YOU SHARE THE FACTS? WHY HAVEN'T YOU SHARED THE FACTS? WHAT ARE YOU HIDING? A TAX INCREASE? YOUR COMMENTS IN THE MEDIA ARE INCORRECT AND SLANDEROUS. ONE MUST QUESTION WHY. IT IS MY OPINION THAT YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE. YOU ARE NEITHER A POLITICIAN NOR AN ADVOCATE FOR THE TOWN. I GENUINELY FEEL SORRY FOR YOUR FAMILY. IF WHAT YOU DEMONSTRATE IN PUBLIC AS A PERSONALITY, WOW, HOME-LIFE MUST BE SCARY. GO AWAY AND LEAVE US ALONE!
outofthebeach4now
6:22 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
u go boy,must of been our conversation yesterday at Frankies. The place where Barrella and crew were denied service.
beachmom46
4:55 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
There is so much negativity in Pt. Pleasant Beach and it ALL points back to Vinnie Barrella. Does anyone think he really want solutions. He is more concerned with what he wants rather than what is good for the town. I don't understand how one man could bring so much destruction to a community that has prospered since the early 1900's. Vinnie will be now has the man who ruined Pt. Pleasant Beach!
George
5:11 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
First Benny Mayor. Now do you understand? He does not, and never did care about our town the way the locals, and the people who moved here and don't want change, do. But the good news is we won't make that mistake again.
ppb1955
5:49 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
beachmom Can you or anyone on here name anything positive that he did for the town in the last four years he was in office.
D4 Resident
7:02 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
I would like to see another recall effort put forth. Does anyone know how to go about this? I am happy to help.
beachmom46
8:34 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
PPB1995 - Vinnie has never done anything good for this town. Remember when he advocated against the school budget and was against the Cops. Then he was for the schools and the cops. Now he wants to bring in the State Police. Rather than take the money the BW offered for extra police, he wants the state to police PPB. I think our Police Dept can handle everything if managed properly.
SoylentGreen
5:01 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
The comments on bar closing stories continue to provide me with an endless supply of entertainment. Keep them coming!
blindbert
5:10 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
PARKING PLAN! IT is working. "I'm so glad i'm glad, gald glad"-skip james.
George
5:17 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Enjoy it while you can. Agreement with State will end Parking Plan by end of year.
nobody
5:43 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
I'm sure that the people that need to go to court over a parking ticket received at 5 minutes after 12 do not think it is working so well! Besides that there is not one bit of difference in who is parking on these streets it is still residents and BW employees just as it always was.
Joe
5:13 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Speak for yourself. Didn't anyone tell you it is obnoxious when anyone posts in Caps.
Jane Reynolds
5:17 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
this is not leadership
blindbert
5:31 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
George,
In the past we had the Goober, then Floyd the barber as mayors
The NY Times was refering to PPB as mayberry.
ppb1955
5:40 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Now we have cousin Vinny Barrella as our supreme leader.
ppb1955
5:45 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Cousin Vinny Barrella from Brooklyn probably took the train down to the shore when he first came to town.
sunshine
6:05 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
when is PPB gonna stop doing the county's bidding....and soo wilingly?just google these allegations to learn if they are true.
Joe
7:05 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
What was our governor doing in Seaside Heights eating an ice cream cone? Why? Of all the places he could go. Who was he meeting? He had to get in to an altercation, second one in two weeks at the Jersey Shore. Someone needs to tell him to stop calling individuals stupid and idiot, He is sounding like the Jersey Shore cast.
George
6:47 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Sunshine----Google what? More meamingless accusations by one of the Barrillized losers.
Mr. Happy
6:56 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Verdict's In Folks - Injunction.................................DENIED!
Have a nice weekend!!!!!!!!!
Melvin Udall
11:22 am on Saturday, July 7, 2012
Hey Happy!, Isn't Grasso a Republican appointed judge. How can this happen. The Mayor has made it clear that all Republicans are bad and against him.
Reminds me of, "a defective towline, no more no less" and, "the entire crew was against me from the start" I tried to clean up the Caine" "They all worked against me. Disloyal all of them"
"Now where did I put my ball bearings"
sunshine
7:12 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
whats going on here is cronie-ism at its best...or worst.
christie gets elected with help from BW bar donations and gilmore.
reid and mayer get elected with help from BW bar donations and gilmore.
halfacre, reid's cronie and christie's patronage appointment stops pt beach from doing what is their right to do: set hours of liquor service. all these connections are just coincidental, right??
Joe
9:04 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
It is not a coincident....Reid admitted he is both a private and government lobbyist. He speciality is in government..
MoonDogie
9:19 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Sunshine....sounds like your opinions are coming from where the sun don't shine.
George
9:20 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Sounds like PPB needs a local with pull in Trenton. If Reid really can make the ABC do what he wants, what else could he do for us? And for you morons who think Reid doesn't have the best interests of the town at heart let me remind you that unlike Barrella, Reid grew up here, went to the Beach, graduated from the Beach, and is raising his daughter here. So we have somebody who loves the Beach and knows how to win friends and influence people. Something Barrella is simply not equipped to do. How many now wish they had voted for Reid and not Barrella?
blindbert
12:16 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
Reid did not get elected this time.
He lost two elections!
Three times your out!
Please do not vote for him in November.
He is a Boardwalk politi-schill and a NJ avenue machine appointment.
He is more intereseted in his bottom line than our towns needs.
George
7:28 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
You Barrellisras just keep ignoring what we can all see clearly. Director Halfacre did the only thing he could. Prevent the attempt by Barrella Toker, Gordon and Corbally to impose illegal local option taxes. Next case.
Joe
9:03 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
George....B.S...
Sunshine, Right On!!!!!
mailman
7:52 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
I agree with most above. Let the SP spend a weekend or two on the BW and see nothing. Heaven knows the mayor has no clue what is going on up there. Yes, "riotious behavior" indeed. Didn't this guy just say 2 weeks ago that the extra cops were only $3 a household / month and it was no big deal. I think he has finally lost his last marbles. Sad, with years more to go in office what will he turn this town into? Very sad.
Jane Reynolds
8:51 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
yes, yes...I believe he did
Beach_N8iv
7:59 am on Monday, July 9, 2012
NO! I'm sure that I'm not the only REGISTERED VOTER who's getting tired of the BCLs in D4 picking our pockets. They already have MORE than enough police down there while the rest of the town goes uncovered. If the mayor and other RESIDENTS of D4 want added security guards let THEM pay for it.
Joe
9:08 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
No, No....He did not! All these Barrella haters are more worried about themselves than the town. Agenda's indeed!
George
9:32 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Joe/PT If we were worried about ourselves we would be kissing up to Barrella, like you and the rest of the Barrella supporter misfits on here are, so you can all keep the appointments Barrella has given you that make you feel soooo very important
Jane Reynolds
9:53 am on Monday, July 9, 2012
yes he did at the council meeting
George
9:24 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Sounds like PPB needs a local with pull in Trenton. If Reid really does have pull with the Governor and the legislature and the ABC, what could he accomplish for us? And for you morons who think Reid doesn't have the best interests of the town at heart let me remind you that unlike Barrella, Reid grew up here, went to the Beach, graduated from the Beach, and is raising his daughter here. So we have somebody who loves the Beach and knows how to win friends and influence people. Something Barrella is simply not equipped to do. How much better off would we be now if Reid won? How many now wish they had voted for Reid and not Barrella?
Joe
10:16 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
George, You need to stop drinking.... Reid is a lobbyist. He is dumber than a box of rocks. He never was voted in by the residents of the beach and never will. He moved back 4 years ago. He does not love the beach, if he did he would have never left. The only thing Reid is worried about his himself. He is using the beach residents through the boardwalk influence and the people they know. The boardwalk introduces him to all their political influenced crooks that he will make money down the road on. Just one more sleazy politician added to NJ politics.
Nick Carraway
9:54 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
I feel like we're sitting here watching Barrella lose his mind. Why is Barrella so certain that he knows NJ law better than anyone else? Where did he go to law school? He isn't even a NJ lawyer. Halfacre speaking at the R Club in early 2011 is no secret. Barrella's former running mate, Thomson, was at the meeting, along with various other Barrella spies. Barrella is the king of claiming conflict of interest, so if there was something real to all of this, Barrella would've screamed conflict before Halfacre made his decision. But even Gertner is smart enough not to listen to such garbage. Barrella has been calling Reid a BW guy, advertising Reid's 4 month employment with the BW before Reid even moved back to PPB, for years. People work for Coke, then work for Pepsi. Former IRS attorneys, if they're good ones, represent individuals and corps against the IRS. That's how private industry works (for those who can still find jobs). The bar closing ordinance closes all of the bars in PPB, not just the BW. Barrella and crew wanted money from the BW, and when it was offered, refused to take it. The Barrella bloc messed this up royally. Barrella has also lost faith in our local PD if he now wants State cops, another lose-lose situation for PPB. Christie sends the cops, and that suggests that Christie believes PPB is so dangerous that we need them. Christie says "no", & Barrella says he's in the BW's pocket. It's like asking someone "How often do you beat your wife?"
ppb1955
10:18 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Nick. Cousin Vinny our Brooklyn born mayor has no idea what it is to properly manage a town. Just look at his personal residence he doesn't even maintain that properly. He is using scare tactics on certain issues to cover his mismanagement of many other issues in town. If he put as much energy into watching the towns finances as he does other private business maybe out taxes would not have risen year after year.
Mr. Happy
9:58 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Hi outofthebeach- I was at Frankie's yesterday too. I think I may have overheard part of your Barrella discussion. Anyway, these 2 guys were discussing the Kennedy assasination and they seemed to agree that there were actually 8 gunmen on the grassy knoll and 7 were caught (and never reported). When they agreed that Barrella was the 8th one on the grassy knoll (and got away), I left. Abruptly. Didn't even finish the bleucheese burger. Wonder what the next topic was.
George
10:06 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Happy---those two guys were Diaz and Gordon. The next topic was how long they had to finish destroyig the beach before neither needed the schools anymore and could go back where they came from
ppb1955
10:27 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
George. Is Diaz the guy that wears the overalls all over town. I have heard people refer to them also as Henry Fitzpatrick and Patrick Fitzhenry they are two peas in pod.
Nick Carraway
10:10 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Joe, maybe Christie would rather expose his family to the Jersey Shore crowd than the craziness of PPB's mayor. It's probably better for Barrella that way, anyway, considering how hot tempered Christie has been. If Christie got so angry at that guy in Seaside, just imagine how he'd react to some of these comments from Barrella. And, let's take a walk down memory lane in terms of Barrella's relationship with Christie:
This article, where Barrella defends Brick Mayor Acropolis (LMAO) & Barrella says that he is a Republican even though he won as an Independent in the Recall:
http://pointpleasant.patch.com/articles/point-pleasant-beach-mayor-blasts-christie-for-blasting-brick-mayor
This article, when Christie came to PPB. Nice photo with Barrella, right? Barrella asked him about local option taxes. Hmmm, have we gotten any of those yet?
http://pointpleasant.patch.com/articles/governor-tells-public-get-the-hell-back-on-the-beach
Part Timer
10:12 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
George, what is this your 10th different name in the last ten days....
blindbert
11:56 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Amen,
He has MPD
mattmurphy
11:08 am on Sunday, July 8, 2012
Part Timer and blindbert - seems that George isn't the only one who suffers from MPD. Take a look at Sam's posts. Too much Sangria going around!
Sam
3:56 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
mattmurphy, You do not do so bad yourself with the MPD. I do not know who you think I am? I know it is against the rules... I prefer Beer over Whine any day, especially Sangria! Maybe if you would stop defending your OWN no matter what they do, you would be able to see a little more clearer.
Sam
11:41 am on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
mattmurphy and all the other alias that you go under. For informational purposes only. I prefer beer over Sangria any day, so please get it right.
Part Timer
10:16 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Point Pleasant Beach parking plan upheld in court
Joe
11:18 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Like, I am happy.
Part Timer
10:17 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
POINT PLEASANT BEACH — An Ocean County judge on Friday rejected a plea from local charter boat owners to stop enforcement of a new parking plan that they feel could hurt their businesses.
Mr. Happy
10:17 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
AP Press has the story on line from today's Injunction hearing. If you care to read it.
It was heard before a judge with no connection and the results were predictable.
Looks like Barrella's "hand picked" attorney fared quite well. Kudos, Mr. Gertner.
On behalf of the people of D4 who get to keep our streets, many thanks!
Joe
11:19 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Indeed!
Melvin Udall
11:32 am on Saturday, July 7, 2012
Happy, I understand Gertner is going to throw a" Happy Party" in the near future. He is making so much money he is giddy. Don't know what he can do with all is new found wealth.
Meanwhile, back in the blackboard jungle of Pt Pleasant Beach politics , Captain Barrella keeps the ship pointed straight at the ice berg at full speed ahead.
All you residents keep your life jackets handy. The new Barrella/Tooker/Corbally/Gordon tax bills are due out soon.
TK
10:19 am on Sunday, July 8, 2012
Melvin Udall....Oh, like you did not throw a "Happy Party" with the bar closings status from the ABC, that most likely will change in September too. How different it is when the shoe in on the other foot and when it favors themselves.
Part Timer
10:17 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
After hearing arguments Friday from attorneys representing the businesses and the borough, Ocean County Assignment Judge Vincent J. Grasso said he didn’t think there was enough evidence that the new parking restrictions would cause irreparable harm to the charter boat businesses.
The judge’s opinion allows the borough to continue its effort to permit only residents to park between midnight and 6 a.m. on municipal roads in District 4, the section east of the railroad tracks and north of Arnold Avenue. The ordinance setting the restrictions expires at the end of the year. But enforcement of the law, which started June 22, stops after Labor Day.
Part Timer
10:20 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you.....
Part Timer
10:21 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Like I said before, it works out well for everybody...bars stay open till 2am, residents get a little peace and quiet...
ppb1955
10:33 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
PT. At least you are level headed and are being fair with both decisions. It is nice to hear someone is happy for all.
George
10:22 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
PT---typicial Barrella misfit trying desperately to keep his important appointment---what did you tell us, Chairman of the Non Resident Town Destroyer Committee or some such meaningless nonsense. Bet it makes you fell vey big and important.
Part Timer
10:32 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
See George??? I have no ties to the mayor being that I do not vote. Our committe was made of NON-RESIDENTS WITH NO TIES TO ANY POLITICAL PARTY...
Opinionated
10:22 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Hey Mayor, I CHALLENGE you to go to Trenton and ask the Governor YOURSELF!!! Please tell us when though. I'll bring the popcorn. I hope someone will videotape what Christie's response will be. Let's have some fun, folks. Everyone must speculate now what Barella will be told to do!!
Joe
11:30 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
SOUR GRAPES!
Lenny
9:05 am on Saturday, July 7, 2012
That would be funny, especially since our governor could not handle being on the BW with his family for 20 minutes before he had an altercation with a boardwalk visitor. He went after the guy like he was going to do something. He had the state police protection for himself and his family. He just showed the point pleasant beach residents that he will not tolerate someone cursing in front of his kids, but our residents and families have to put up with the bad behavior. So basically only his family matters. Please come and let's see how many fights you can get in to. I would love to watch the show....Just another bully added to the mix.
Full Timer
10:23 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
I may be incorrect, but believe that the last resort town mayor in either Monmouth or Ocean County who requested State Police assistance was Joe Mattice, during the Asbury Park riots of 1970 when 46 people were treated for gun shot wounds, the west side of the city was burned down, and President Nixon declared a "major disaster area".
Mr. Happy
10:43 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Hi FT- You make an excellent point about the Asbury riots. But let me ask you this-
would you rather have the State Police patrolling the BW at the Mayor's request BEFORE a riot, or have the State Police on the BW ordered by the Governor, DURING a riot? "Cause it's coming and we all know it. But for now, enjoy the quiet, courtesy of Hon. Judge Grasso.
Spooner
11:14 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
...Let me see if I got this reasoning correct: parking plan = no riots. . .So I gather that there was no parking plan in Asbury Park in 1970. . .therefore they had riots. The riots had nothing to do with racial job discrimination. . .is that right Mr Happy!
Ken
8:28 am on Saturday, July 7, 2012
State Police were in Belmar on the "Greek Picnic" days every year when it was being held there.
Melvin Udall
11:36 am on Saturday, July 7, 2012
Pt Pleasant Beach had NJ State Police in town last summer. I think Laurie has some hand in that. They gave out some interesting summons too. Not mentioning any names though
Sam
12:21 pm on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
Melvin Udall...Indeed they were called in thanks to Lurie. I guess he had no confident in our police department either as some indicated on other posts when it came to our Mayor. He did not even ask anyone, not the Chief, not the Mayor or his council friends. Why? is it OK for Lurie to bring in the State police and not Barrella. Reid was a big supporter of the help we needed. Now that it is Barrella requesting the State Police and help, it is not needed and he is considered "Crazy" Many of these post are about "POLITICAL REVENGE" that runs deep, both past and present.
Joe
11:30 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Spooner, No....You are wrong.....Parking plan=peace and quiet in residential area at 2 to 3 in the morning.... so residents can actually sleep. State police at the BW to protect the visitors at the boardwalk to control the crowds in case fights break loose.
Spooner
12:36 am on Saturday, July 7, 2012
Joe- wasn't going to get into Barrella's latest remarks. . .but since you bought it up. . . You think that's the right thing to say about having the Governor send in SP, with all these accusations of coercion and extortion before the ABC Director by the BW bars, where the town wanted them to pay for exactly now what he(Barrella) wants the state to pay for(enforcement)?
I remember the Mayor saying at the last Senate hearing: My wife tells me I got a big mouth. . .Is there anybody who could convince him. . .he's his own worst enemy. He seems to think all this media attention that he brings on, is for the town's benefit? Meanwhile it's really all about their bottom line. . .including the gadfly in Bay Head, Mulshine. . .Mayor your nothing more than a marketing gimmick with your pleadings and your praying...
Full Timer
11:30 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Mr. H, you need to learn your shore history. The Asbury Riots were racially motivated by a frustrated black population, that was out of work and options, who felt like the city had abandoned them, which may have been true at the time. This is NOTHING like the situation in our borough where the mayor is asking for State Police to help in containing bar goers at closing. The only similarity here is the ocean and boardwalk. Not surprised about the Parking Ruling, since NJDOT normally nneds 4 months to review a change in application. The town could withdraw the application in September and reapply every May to keep the ordinance. It is a clever and effective legal maneuver under current law.
HW
11:50 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
embarrassing for our Mayor to show such a lack of confidence in our police dept....
shameful.
TK
10:12 am on Sunday, July 8, 2012
Who can blame him. Nothing is on the up and up.
mailman
2:13 am on Saturday, July 7, 2012
Hey Joe, do some reading and learn some facts. Barrella most certainly said that the residents can afford to pay $3/month for additional cops. He is flip flopping more than all of the sandals walking down the boardwalk this summer in order to support his anti-business agenda. Your hissy fits are not very effective. Please, bring in the state police. Pull them out of Camden and newark and let them see for themselves the "riotous behavior".
mailman
2:20 am on Saturday, July 7, 2012
And as far as a riot, the level-headed resident's laughter resembles one every time we read asinine comments that one is on the way. I'm far more concerned about my taxes shooting up over 60% since this mayor took office than violence on the streets of PPB.
Joe
7:36 am on Saturday, July 7, 2012
You are missing the point. Why should the residents continue to pay for the extra police needed for the BW being the State took away our town rights. Let them pay for it. The police department is the largest expense in the budget, part of reason why your taxes are shooting up. I read in one of the papers The classic flip-flop that have played out in this town was so many residents did not support the police, they did not want to play for police, not even some of the prior councilmen did. The same residents that did not want or support the police, did not think they were needed are now screaming for more police. All of sudden they are needed to give out tickets to the undesirable tourists, raise the fines, ticket the ordinances that are in place, just don't touch me and my pot of gold. This is not about violence on the street in PPB. This is about when the boardwalk has that many tourists on the boardwalk at one time the police may be needed in case a fight breaks loose that could turn in to a riot. Better safe than sorry, why should any tourist or residents be at risk.
mailman
9:27 am on Saturday, July 7, 2012
Joe, I am not missing the point at all. Were you aware that cops were cut two years ago and that last year had the lowest level of patrols in years before a very costly knee-jerk reaction known as Operation Rice Krispies? Were you aware that your Mayor and his Council demanded that the BW pay for the cops this year, or he would shut them down at 12? Were you aware that the BW stepped up to the plate and offered $800,000 over 5 years, based on the Sea Girt model of payment with the consequence that if they did not deliver, they would lose their liquor license? I know you were not aware that the Mayor stated publicly that it was only $3 / household and that for that small amount of money, he would rather have the residents pay themselves. Now he wants the State to pay for it because he used shady politics in his efforts to make them pay?
blindbert
7:35 am on Saturday, July 7, 2012
I rather be wining and dining than be swallowing the boardwalk wiener!
Ray Criptkie
11:22 am on Saturday, July 7, 2012
Blindbert, you sure picked an appropriate name! Blind as in ignorant ot any facts!
Mr. Happy
7:41 am on Saturday, July 7, 2012
Good Morning Full Timer- Thanks for the history lesson on the difference between the issues of Asbury then and PPB now. Point taken. However, I also know from history that the occupy riots are over jobs, the Egypt riots were over politics, the Stonewall riots were over gay rights and the draft riots of the Civil War were over the draft. I could go on. The point is that a riot is a riot and when it starts, the reason becomes moot. Now, some may say Mr. Happy is fanning the flames of hysteria. Sure hope I'm wrong. But no one can deny that all of the precursors of riotous behavior are in place. Heck, remember the incident from last summer? The Holocaust deniers will also deny that incident, but we all know it happened. Who knows, maybe the Parking Plan will prove itself a success in more than the obvious ways.
mailman
9:44 am on Saturday, July 7, 2012
Mr. Happy, you do realize that many people have actually seen the actual video of this actual “riot” and were able to actually count that it was actually two people actually fighting for actually less than 3 minutes, right? I know that you like to be on top of your game, but it is apparent that you did not actually see what had happened or spoken to anyone who has, nevertheless be able to acknowledge that it occurred at 4am and had nothing to do with any business in town. As far as bringing in the SP, you have me all wrong. I think in the long term, this is a wonderful idea, although the hours that the Mayor has proposed would have done nothing for the 2-person fight from last year that you speak of. Anyway, let them come in and see for themselves. Heck, bring the news people, all of the cameras, the Discovery Channel, call Oprah. . . . Someone has to get into the media on the truth of the matter, other than this Mayor and his cronies. You have my full support.
veritas
9:52 am on Saturday, July 7, 2012
Barbella and Christie should have Ice cream together. Both act like children.
Mr. Happy
10:06 am on Saturday, July 7, 2012
Hi mailman- From what I have read right here on the Patch, that video was not released, so unless the Patchers are wrong, many people may not have actually seen it. There have been reports of 30, 15-20, 3, 2, etc. All I know is the BW supporters are acknowledging, then downplaying an incident of violence in an attempt to justify it, some even calling it laughable. The town decorated 2 police officers for that incident. Those kids risked their lives on the night in question protecting us. Nothing funny about that.
mailman
10:35 am on Saturday, July 7, 2012
Hi Mr. Happy. In all fairness, you made a loose reference between this event and the Holocaust, which I am fairly certain has been just a little more documented and agreed upon as a slightly more significant moment in time; and also not funny. I have always supported the cops and always will, and do not underscore their courage in arriving at the scene. Nice spin. Facts are facts, though, and as many by-standers as there may have been, it was a 3 minute altercation beween 2 individuals. I see you made no mention again that it took place at 4am and had nothing to do with the BW, other than that it was on their property. Maybe if the bars were open until 4, there would have been people still out and about and the whole thing would not have happened at all.
Melvin Udall
11:53 am on Saturday, July 7, 2012
Happy, we agree on something here. I'm all for those "kids" that put on that blue uniform and for not much money. Most specials and most full timers are honest and just trying to do what they are told by the higher ups.
Fact is most citizens have not seen the video recordings of the "great riot" last summer at 4am. For those that have the reports were clearly blown way out proportion.
Why?
Many reasons I suspect. I will not make any wild accusations. Just know first hand the video does not correspond with the reports of, what the Mayor called "riotous"
Let's just keep it at, "God Save the Queen" and all that rot. What say?
The town has had much much more than it's share of bad press.
Rick
10:57 am on Saturday, July 7, 2012
Hey Nobody!
I'm not trying to fight with you here, but I'll tell you a fact. It's not a ghost town on the Boardwalk between midnight and 2 a.m.
I'll make you a bet that they'll be 200 to 275 club goers walking South on the Boardwalk during the times you state. Maybe more. Many ( Not all ) yelling and screaming at the top of their lungs. I know this, because I did a count 2 weeks ago before the larger crowds that are here now. I'm not going to get into the destruction and vulgar language many are using. It would be redundant.
Please, take your wife ( if married) or a respectable lady with you and stand in the middle of the Boardwalk between the hours you suggest. You won't bring her back there again!
For the record and the 100th time, I don't care who pays for the police, but they are needed before a disaster happens. It doesn't matter if the bars close at 12, 2 a.m. or 5 a.m., REAL security is needed when hundreds and sometimes thousands of club goers spill out onto the boardwalk at the same time. One more fact before I quit. The club goers start their night at 11P.M.( If you're a club goer, you know this) They go South towards Jenks and Tiki and many are already " tuned up" It's a lot cheaper to drink at home and then go there and buy one drink. So the REAL security needs to begin by 11p.m.
Ray Criptkie
11:30 am on Saturday, July 7, 2012
If all you concerned about is foul language then I suppose we need to fire all of our garbagemen as well. I get one day aweek that I like to sleep late, this week I was woken up at 9 am by two men on the back of the garbage truck, yelling at the top of their lungs; F*** off, no you F*** off. As far as I know, they were not at the boadwalk bars drinking before begining their shift. WOW bad behavior that has nothing to to with the boadwalk bars or bennys? Not here! LOL!
blindbert
10:03 am on Sunday, July 8, 2012
Hey Ray,
Those two garbage men where probably someone's (ne "r" do well) connected sons if they were fulltime. Good ( for a garbage man) starting pay and benefits for those who are in the know and connected! It is the NJ Ave-Gilmore machine at its finest!
Rick
11:01 am on Saturday, July 7, 2012
Nobody! Sorry, I meant to say 200 to 275 going NORTH, on the Boardwalk between midnight and 2 a.m.
Ray Criptkie
1:31 pm on Saturday, July 7, 2012
Vinny needs to keep out of Cheif O'hara's business and let him do what he is trained and paid to do!
ppb1955
8:24 pm on Saturday, July 7, 2012
Ray
Vinny might want to send a couple of the NJ State Troopers over to Commander Gordon's District 2 to watch over Beach Lover aka Beth Gordon while she walks her dog since she is so fearful of gang members. She commented on Paul Mulsihines Star Ledger article . Also isn't Councilman Gordon the liaison to the police dept. Read the comments from the article and you will know who wears the uniform in that family.
TK
10:06 am on Sunday, July 8, 2012
Just like the OT that he gave to his friend! One Officer! The other police were upset about this but can't say anything or else.
Not So Dumb
3:00 pm on Saturday, July 7, 2012
Maybe the State ABC should expand their Cops in Shops program to Jenkinsons and Martell and see how many under age drinkers are in those bars. I'm sure if the State Police were there then the local police could do more to protect the property of local residents.
Lenny
9:34 pm on Saturday, July 7, 2012
Maybe you are on to something? How much is a state police salary? Is it possible the cost could be less than local police. Would the BW agree to pay for them instead. This way they can't make up the excuse, that they will not pay because of our Mayor. I would hope they would protect the property of local residents....You never know, it is amazing what a few would do for a few free beach badges and drinks. NO BUSINESS SHOULD BE ABLE TO RUN AND TELL THE TOWN WHAT TO DO. IT SHOULD BE THE OTHER WAY AROUND, THE TOWN RUNS, PUTS IN RULES & LAWS THAT SUITS THE TOWN. LAWS CAN CHANGE, THEY ARE NOT WRITTEN IN STONE. IF THE BUSINESS DOES NOT LIKE THE RULES, THEN THEY LEAVE AND FIND ANOTHER TOWN.
Ken Hildebrandt
11:18 pm on Saturday, July 7, 2012
Why not just call in the National Guard? Wow, has this town ever gone down the tubes. Glad I'm gone.
TK
10:06 am on Sunday, July 8, 2012
We are too! After the show you put on.
Laura
10:49 am on Sunday, July 8, 2012
I wonder what tune most of you would be singing if the bloc in the Beach had been successful in their negotiations with Susan Rogers in the Boro. Every department would be merged if Rogers and the bloc had their way. So much for keeping the town as it was.
Sorry but the Republicans in the Beach seem more like a cult. If you are a Republican or Democrat you don't have to robotically just support everything your party deems as the Republican or Democratic way. You can actually think for yourself.
Jim Jones would have loved you and David Miscavage wants you.
Sam
3:39 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
Agreed, I like to call them RepubliCons, ...They are a cult, have some followers that will say or do anything...They do not want change,,, they want everything to stay the same. Sssshhh...everything, like nothing is happening.
Opinionated
11:41 am on Sunday, July 8, 2012
Ah yes Laura, there's a name from the past. At least we in the Boro had the sense to toss Ms. Rogers to the curb! Unfortunately, some damage was done before she was ousted.
Important Questions
10:00 am on Monday, July 9, 2012
Has anyone else noticed: Barrella supporters, when posting under their real names, never bash the PPB schools or the PPB police; but Barrella supporters who use aliases (Are they the same people?) bash the schools and cops a lot. (See Sam’s posts and Joe’s posts above) Since Barrella started as a critic of the schools and the police (and of all things PPB for that matter), and only changed his tune when he needed the cops and school community to defeat the recall, don’t you think it is time for the cops and school community to recognize Barrella and his supporters do not, and never did, have any respect for our schools or police?
Important Questions
11:56 am on Monday, July 9, 2012
Hi Mr. Happy:
What Joe and Sam are doing is very different. Some Examples from the postings on the article about Barrella asking for State Police:
Sam 2:26 AM
“Residents can't say anything about the country club police or the schools. If they do their will be some sort of retaliation…Some are going around stating that the police will be giving out tickets to the locals that spoke in favor of the bar closings if their 0/T hours are cut. Some are fearful that something will be planted on them. Residents should not have to live in such fear to speak up.”
Sam 3:24 pm
“My own experience nothing can be said about the schools in general, if a parent or student says anything that is wrong...they will take it out on the kids who parents have complained.”
Joe 9:39 pm “NEPOTISM IS RAMPANT IN THIS TOWN AND EVERY TOWN.....Go connect the dots in School, Town, Police and Boardwalk. You have parents and their kids that work in the schools that is married to policemen that work for the boardwalk too... they are all bloodsucking leeches.”
Sam
5:39 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
Important Questions: This has nothing to do with Barrella. I can only speak for myself. This is what I see and have experienced right here in Pt. Beach. Sure everyone who wants to keep things as they are will deny it. Unfortunately, it is situations that are hard to prove. I know we are supposed to trust our leaders of today, again unfortunately we can't with the lack of morals and ethics. It is a game of He said, she said, they will always believe the adults over the child. I find that funny being most children and young adults are a lot more honest than most adults and the reason they have less respect for their leaders. They see the lies on a daily basis. They are not as dumb as some think. If you do not think this happening then obviously you do not have kids in the school system, If you do, maybe your children is getting special treatment. It has been many parents complaining about various problems in the schools that have been going on for a while. Apparently they have been ignored for quite some time. It was getting so bad, so many were excited to see Ms. King take over in hopes of change. I can tell you, I am not alone. Everything I said, is true, Go ask former Council Hennessy what happened to him, when he tried to cut the school budget? What happened to him when he wanted a police director? Everyone tried to discredit him in every way they can. It is true that the superintendent did send a letter out, most were aware of the abundant of anonymous letters.
Sam
7:40 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
Important Questions: It is the truth of what I "overheard" I was on baseball fields in Toms River, a few fathers talking about the tickets given out, the problems that are going on in town, "bar closings" "Parking" Give me a break...it has been in the papers, so everyone is talking about it. Yes, It was "hearsay" the problem is, it was said. The residents fear the police if they do not support them in any way. They have way to much power over you and your families lives as well as the teachers. They can easily ruin your chance. Yes, it is hard to prove...they know it to. If you do not think that is happening either than you are only kidding yourself. I find it funny that your post blames as well as others blame Barrella. If you recall, former Council Hennessy and his RepubliCon Club, who was his supporters is the ones who went against the police. They wanted to break up that country club atmosphere. They were all for bringing a director. They also went against the schools, Administrators, Teachers, they felt they had a great gig going. I think they were referred as being in Disneyland. It can't be denied because it was in writing via e-mails. Even then some will still deny it, even when it is writing. Maybe? I am wrong, but I do not think so. If I am not mistaken "Sean Hennessy" has been here all his life, thought he went to the schools too, that did not stop him. Nearly all the RepubliCons Club residents who supported "Sean" right behind him are not "bennies either.
Important Questions
8:04 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
Thanks Sam, although I can't for the life of me imagine why you want to live in PPB, I think you have made it undeniably clear that Barrella and his supporters do not, and never did, have any respect for our schools or police. You just want to use them for your own sick agenda. good luck with that.
Important Questions
11:57 am on Monday, July 9, 2012
What Mr. Happy was referring to are the many posts from residents objecting to the way Barrella exaggerates the Chief’s reports, the way Barrella misused and exaggerated Lt. Dikun’s reports, and the way Barrella blew up a fight (as any who have seen the video have said) into a riot. So while the Police are simply pointing out the need to reverse the trend of cutting the police budget begun with Barrella’s coming to power in 2008, Barrella is trying to turn these facts into an indictment of the Bw businesses, and the residents are objecting to this misuse of the police department by Barrella. Sam and Joe, as noted above, are saying something very different.
Sam
1:29 am on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
Important Questions: I do not care, what you think? I do not care, what you have to say? I do not care, what you are imagining? Where you think? I should or should not live? It really is none of your business. I do no care Who or What Barrella supports? Anyone for that matter, including all those who are making comments on the patch? It is up to each individual resident, to decide who or what they support? Believe what you want? There is a lot of residents who choose not to support the schools or police for their own reasons. The list is surely getting longer, no matter what you think. It happens sometimes, the more they familiarize themselves with an organization they might not feel the same way and choose to no longer support them. It has nothing to do with Barrella, if you do not believe that, then you need to look yourself in the mirror in reference to your own sick agenda remark. You can twist and put words in my mouth all day long. I never made it undeniably clear that Barrella and his supporters do not, and never did have respect for police. If you or anyone else is going to pull words on what is said in comments, pull all the words, not just conveniently some. If you go back and read my comments, what I did make perfectly clear. Is "Sean Hennessy" who was born and raised here and his repupliCon supporters which I would say most are born and raised here is the ones who really have a problem with the police and schools. "Look at above comments"
Nick Carraway
7:35 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
Sam, I find it very interesting that you think that it's the Republicans who are cult-like. The Republicans have meetings that are opened to the public, as do the Democrats. The Independents, however, led by Barrella, don't have meetings that are opened to the public, unless you want to count those "Meet & Greets" that are designed to allow the Independent candidates to spout their platforms, which have been secretly planned in someone's house. You know that Barrella used to be the leader of that Republican group, until everyone got tired of having him tell them how to think. I also find it curious that you're choosing to post to Laura. Laura Beedon, an Independent from Pt. Boro, earlier this year, chose to post a swaztika on her website as part of some very distasteful political propaganda. What do you think of someone like that, a resident of Pt. Boro with such little regard to the seriousness of the swaztika, trying to involve herself in the current Pt. Beach politics, especially when one of the PPB candidates is Jewish?
Sam
1:56 am on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
Nick, I really do not care where the meetings are? Who is having them? Who's house they are getting together at, to plan their next political attack. I really am not attached or affiliated to anyone or a particular party. Again, whether I or yourself agrees or disagrees with Barrella or anyone for that matter. To blame everything on one person no matter who they are is ridiculous. I do not even know Laura, or the story that comes with her. I just happen to agree on the particular comment she made. It is so obvious on where all the comments that are being made on Barrella? Is coming from. That is why I refereed them to cult like.
Mr. Happy
8:30 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
Hi Nick - The swaztika thing was debunkened. You know it. Barrella led the best and brightest out of the Repub. Party. You know that too. How about the (R) meetings denying access to new members and a potential takeove? Open to the public? Armed guards will debunk that. Secret meetings? Laughable. You know it..
Jewish candidate? Yeah. Shine the light on her. She's the best candidate we have had in a long time. Principle. Honor. She has it. Let's see if the electorate sees that.
Important Questions
11:15 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
The best and the brightest? You are joking right? To whom do you refer? Loder? Diaz? Gordon? Tooker? Gelson the patronage hog? Not the best and the brightest in anybody's book.
Sam
11:36 am on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
Important Questions: I have an important question to ask you. Who do you consider the best and brightest? I am sure it will be some interesting characters. Who's in your book? The other side who is in the political ring.
Nick Carraway
10:02 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
Mr. Happy, the article I read in the Ocean Star said that it was posted on Beedon's website, and her only defense was that it was done by someone else, but she's the one who put it on her website, right? No one hacked into her website, did they? She has no place here, while Cadalzo is running. Why don't you agree? That Republican Club meeting that you reference, that was meeting held soon after the Recall election. Some nasty stuff went on during that election. Tempers running high. Only members in good standing were allowed in to vote on the new Executive Board, then it was made open to the public. Many organizations do things like that, especially when there's lots of hostility. Why do you think so many people, who weren't members, wanted to attend the vote portion? But, you're also forgetting: even though Barrella was not a member in good standing, Barrella was still extended the courtesy, as the Mayor, to enter the meeting during the vote on the new Executive Board. I guess he didn't bother to tell you about the objections that were made by Reid and other members about excluding the public from the meeting. Tooker wanted the whole meeting put off, even though it was required, by the Club's Bylaws to hold that meeting at that time. But, she's the type of person who only thinks that something's fair when it goes in her favor. Like her recent comments about Grasso. Wasn't he the judge who oversaw the court shared services agreement with the Boro?
Beach_N8iv
10:39 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
Troopers on the boardwalk? Just what we need, more BENNYs goosestepping around that part of town telling us what to do.
Mr. Happy
11:46 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
Hi Nick- I'll try to answer each of your points as best I can. The Pt. Boro person Beedon/swaztica web site thing, I'm not sure what that means or why it affects our election? I'll focus on the best candidate (s). I'll vote for Cadalzo. Others can debate the rest.
The Repub. "open" meeting that you reference apparently had an armed guard with a "list" of people in "good standing" that were allowed in.You say: "Many organizations do this when there's lots of hostility." I know of two. The Repub. Party of PPB and the National Socialist Party, circa 1933. The only difference-brown shirts.
As to Tooker comment's about the Grasso decision. Sure she agreed with that.
Who's gonna dispute the decision of the top judge of the county?
Spooner
12:20 am on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
...why stop at 1933. . .back in the 1920's right there in PPB, wasn't the KKK marching. . .with their headquarters located about 12 miles south in Toms River. . .now called River Wood Park. The KKK building is still standing. . .Ahh those American Christian Socialist back then?
http://tomsriver.patch.com/topics/ku+klux+klan
Spooner
11:55 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
FYI- the altered flyer with the swaztika was originally posted by Laura Beeden just before the 2010 General Election in the the center of a table with the Mayoral candidate siting there, implying that she was a nazi dictator. . .as you can see...it was removed after Cortland Coleman(boroindependent.com) made a stink about it earlier this year...
http://animallovertoo.com/2012/04/12/here-is-the-latest-flyer-from-the-rogers-camp.aspx
Sam
10:05 am on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
Spooner: I only see a partial of your post, so I will respond to only what I see. I would not consider them innuendos or BS if they are true to "Me" from my own experience of what I see and hear. Like I have said numerous times. Unfortunately many issues are very hard to prove. You can see and experience issues, confront those in charge, our leaders and they deny it. I apologize if you think I mis worded something that I said about you. You have post a lot of PPB in the past and continue to currently. It has been about the Mayor, Councilmen, Police Department, Town employes, schools and anything you see fit about PPB politics. You do all this, Why? You do not even live here. Why bother? If that is not an agenda, I do not know what is. I have seen many who has discredit you on what you have stated. You pull articles out to prove your point. According to many comments that I have seen to you, feel you are being unfair. According to many, you are only pull what you want. You skip the pre and after of a comment. It would be impossible for me to find all the postings you have made on our town. That is your job, not mine. Post away!
Full Timer
2:38 pm on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
Were there any incidents on Friday or Saturday evening than would have justified bringing in 18 State Troopers? For that matter, have there been any incidents this entire summer in our town that have even required outside assistance from any neighboring local police? Be realistic in your responses. Thanks.
Part Timer
3:15 pm on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
Sorry to go off topic here but I was away for a few days...
Question, on July 4th I had noticed a GOOD amount of people in town/beach walking around with there pants hanging down past there hips with there underwear showing and was wondering if there is a way the town can put a ordinance in place for indecent exposure?
Other states have put this saggy pants into law...
Beach_N8iv
6:03 pm on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
Running out of things to whine about?
Mr. Happy
3:15 pm on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
Hi FT- I'm not aware of any incidents over the weekend that would justify State Police. As I stated before, it will be the Governor giving that order when the time comes.
It should be noted that ordinance violations are down to date, compared to last year.
That's the public urinating and things like that. Sure looks like parking plan plus enforcement is working. But don't think you are safe yet. Criminal arrests are up, BIG. Spin that!
Full Timer
7:22 pm on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
In all honesty, Mr. H. I have never felt unsafe in this town and I believe you know how long I've been here, most likely longer than anyone posting. I do hope, as I believe you do, that the State Police are never needed, although I wouldn't be surprised if there are some who are hoping for that type of incident in order to "point fingers" and say "I told you so".
Residents First
4:20 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
Ordinance violations are down due to police presence----tourists are holding their water. Arrests are up due to for same reason---- police presence------------the same behavior occured before--------but not enough cops to catch the bad actors and arrest them as there are now.
Rick
3:33 pm on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
Full timer.
No incidents the " entire summer " Last I checked, summer started 20 days ago.
I hope you're right and it it stays this way, but it's against the odds. I figured with an additional 55 specials this year we shouldn't have a problem policing the town provided they're posted after dark, not during the day when there's hundreds of witnesses to the trashy things that go on.
Full Timer
7:17 pm on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
Rick, just about anyone else reading the post would have interpreted "entire summer" as being the unofficial summer season, beginning Memorial Day. I will try to be more accurate in the future as to avoid your cynical replies.
Sam
10:56 am on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
F/T, I have a question for you being other alias will not answer them. It is funny how alias don't respond when it hits home then they choose not to answer. How come when Lurie called, brought in the State Police, so many did not have a problem with him. Council Reid thought it was a great idea. It is savings to the town, even some residents liked the idea, less cost to them. Did you justify the call he made to bring in the State police without consulting with the Chief, Council or anyone else for that matter? Now every one against Barrella because he is requesting the same thing. Now the same who supported Lurie thinks Barrella is Crazy, it's a bad idea. Why the change? I thought Barrella's point is, if the State is going to get involved where they shouldn't then let them bare the cost instead of all the town residents and Public safety. You do not think there should be a precaution or preventative measure in case something should happen, being there is so many visitors on the boardwalk. The reality is that is where the most visitors are and want to go. Would you disagree with that? I will disagree with you that some are hoping something bad happens, they just want the town to be able to handle if something should happen. I am glad that you never felt unsafe in your own town. Not everyone feels the same way. I think you are out of reality if you think something bad or tragic can't happen in your town. In these times, anything can happen anywhere.
nobody
12:19 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
You state that "I will disagree with you that some are hoping something bad happens, they just want the town to be able to handle if something should happen" well it was your Mayor that stated that he hopes someone gets stabbed on the boardwalk. What Tim Lurie did was asked the State police to include PPB on their DWI sweeps. What the Mayor is asking for is 18 additional troopers to be either reassigned or taken of the road to patrol the boardwalk in PPB. Camden or Newark don't even need 18 additional troopers. Whats next national guard and martial law? Please stop the propaganda!!!
Full Timer
12:48 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
Hi Sam. Lurie's request, as noted above, was for DUI Purposes . As far as the present, as I have stated earlier. I've been in PPB since 1957 in D4, one block from the boardwalk, and have never felt unsafe. You are correct in thinking that "anything can happen anywhere" but if that is the case then isn't every other large resort town also entitled to the same level of protection? Do you really think the State Police has this kind of man power and that they realistically are going to send them to a town to patrol bar closings "just in case"? If there is a need for additional police presence, it would be on the streets of NJ's most dangerous urban areas where shootings and other violent crimes are a way of life. I would also like to see more State Police on the Parkway to curtail many of the reckless drivers that occupy the roads on the way to the shore. My family has a long history of service to Point Pleasant Beach including businesses that date back to the 1920s. We have been involved in many civic and religious organizations including Rotary and the Holy Name Society as well as supporting others such as the Lions Club.
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Sam
8:00 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
F/T: I did not realize it was for DUI Purposes only. I thought it was said and I read in the paper they were walking in the residential areas around the boardwalk too. Again I am glad you feel safe and full of confidence in the direction the town is going in. Again, Not everyone feels the same way as you. Maybe being you are here so long, you are use to the ups and downs of the different eras or years, that changes every few years. I do not think we are like other towns or tourist towns for that matter. So that is unfair to compare us to all these towns that are not like ours or have the same circumstances. Obviously the towns who own their beaches are bringing in more money than us. Maybe they are able to cover for all the police and expenses that goes with it all.... I do feel it is unfair that all the residents have to pay for extra police for one area of the town, where the extra police is needed because of a few private companies that want to continue promoting more visitors to come to their clubs to drink. Do I think it is realistic to have state troopers come to our town? Yes...I do. Wether I agree or not. I also think the town should be the one to set the bar hours, it is the law. The State should not have gotten involved. Once they did and ordered them the right to stay open, they should be the ones to pay for any hours after what the town requested the bars to close by. I can only speak for myself, I hope no one gets hurt.
Residents First
8:47 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
Sam. You really have no idea what you are talking about, do you? And you are simply to lazy or too dumb to do the research, aren’t you? So I will do your work for you just this one last time. Here is the link to the DUI State cops requested by Lurie.
http://pointpleasant.patch.com/articles/state-police-to-help-point-beach-police-with-dwis-and-traffic
And the fact that we do not own our beaches means nothing. We make more in Parking than the towns who own their beaches make in profit on the beach and parking in their towns. PPB has the lowest taxes in the County, not the highest. And lots of towns in Ocean County (all except us) own their beaches. But you are right this beaches stuff is not Barrella nonsense, that is Loder nonsense. Link to tax rates:
http://www.co.ocean.nj.us//WebContentFiles//20e900b1-942c-42be-a35d-c2f783984dd2.pdf
No matter how much you may think it is unfair that the residents have to pay for the police protection needed for the BW business, you need to take that up with Trenton. Again, with PPB’s low taxes, Trenton has not, and will not be listening.
And finally for the last time. You are right PPB could have just closed the bars; but Barrella Tooker Gordon and Corbally gave that opportunity away when they tried to impose local option taxes AFTER the State said no. So by your logic it is Barrella Gordon Tooker and Corbally who should pay.
As your buddy Happy likes to say. You are out of your league.
Full Timer
12:51 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
We are four generation (three living) that are proud of the town's history and concerned about its future and believe that requesting the State Police is currently unnecessarily and it leaves would-be visitors with unwarranted concern about safety. I said earlier that do believe however that there are some residents who are hoping for an "incident: in order to point fingers and say " i told you so". I also heard rumors of the Mayor's comment stated above by "nobody" and certainly hope that hew did not say that. I hope that satisfactorily answers your question Sam. Have a nice week.
herbie
2:07 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
You kind of missed the point. State ordered the bars to stay open so the state should pay for the extra two hours. It has nothing to do with our police not being able to do the job.
Residents First
3:52 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
Sam/herbie
Sam says: “I thought Barrella's point is, if the State is going to get involved where they shouldn't then let them bare the cost instead of all the town residents and Public safety.” This is the problem with Barrella. The truth is that Barrella is getting involved where he should not. Barrella wants the businesses to pay for the police. So do you. Barrella asked the State for permission for the town to charge the businesses, the so called local option taxes. The State said no, municipalities do not have the power to tax like that. But because you and the rest of Barrella’s squeaky wheel supporters are sure the businesses should pay, despite the fact that the State said no, Barrella tried to tax them anyway with the pay to stay open ordinance. Then when Barrella tried to close the bars the State stepped in and said “No, you can’t do that because it was done simply to extort the tax we said you do not have the power to impose. So it is Barrella who is trying to exercise powers only the State has; not the State taking powers from the municipality.
Herbie says “State ordered the bars to stay open so the state should pay for the extra two hours.” Not true. State ordered Barrella not to impose local option taxes because municipalities are not allowed, except in special cases, to impose local option taxes. State did not order bars open. State prevented town from taking powers reserved to the State.
Full Timer
2:46 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
Herbie, you "kind of" misunderstood the court ruling and misread my post. The bars have always been open until 2AM, with the state upholding this ordinance, pending further review.The state didn't "order the bars to stay open" as you posted. Additionally, I don't recall mentioning our police not being able to do the job anywhere above. But, since you chose to bring up the topic, I believe they are a very competent law enforcement agency and that the mayor's request for state assistance indicates his lack of faith in their ability to do their jobs. Those of you who believe we need State Police in the borough need to stroll down the "river front" section of Paterson or 16th Ave in Newark (day or night will do) to see where State Police presence is needed.
Residents First
3:56 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
This call for the State police is simply politics by Barrella. He wants to pretend tourists in PPB are so misbehaved that PPB can not afford to police them. Nothing could be further from the truth. Our police have always been able to deal with the tourists. Barrella wants to pretend otherwise to please the sqeaky wheels and to continue to puirsue his vendetta against the Storinos who he blames for the recall.
Bet we all wish we had voted him out during the recall.
Sam
8:57 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
R/F: You are right, I do want the businesses to pay for the extra police. I think it is unfair for all the residents to pay for extra police in one area of the town where the extra police is needed to support two private companies that continue to promote drinking to their visitors who are causing majority of the problems. That is the first time I ever heard that the Storinos were being blamed or behind the recall. I was under the impression it was Billotti the hotel owner who was behind the recall. I think most residents by now realize that a local option tax is not allowed unless the state gives permission to the towns. You keep on bringing this up. This has nothing to do with the businesses paying towards extra police. You can say or make it look like anything you want. The businesses and town were in negotiations together, they even admitted their was problems. The businesses wanted to pay only if other ordinances were dropped. Once the businesses cried extortion, most of the councilmen did not want to continue in the negotiations any longer. It's a big difference between the agreement with the Parker House and Town of Sea Girt. Sea Girt set the rules and the Parker House was Happy to agree to it. It is comical that I am getting excused of Propaganda. Not only is the entire town Propagandizing in some way, so are the surrounding towns, men, women, even some kids have been tossed in to the ring thanks to some adults in a superior position that thru them in to it.
herbie
5:08 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
FT/RF The bars were closed at midnight on 7/1/12 until the state ordered them to remain open the state should pay. You are spinning out of control with this being a knock on Beach cops and local option taxes. Four words for you -- Parker House Sea Girt
SoylentGreen
6:16 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
Never happened. The stay came before the ordinance took effect.
nobody
7:27 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
The bars were not closed at midnight on 7/1/12 and the state did not "order" the bars to stay open. And the state never had to pay during the last 50 some years of operation why would they need to pay now? All of you old men over in D4 should just pack your bags and move out to leasure village where you can complain about how they cheat at bingo or what ever else you decide is corrupt.
Full Timer
8:41 am on Thursday, July 12, 2012
Herbie, The stay was ordered on 6/29/2012 and the bars were permitted to remain open until 2AM. Perhaps you need to check your facts before you post incorrect information.
Residents First
5:54 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
herbie
Bars were never closed at midnight. ABC issued stay on 6/29. Parker House, as ABC, and all except the most blind of Barrella believers have noted, is very different. Parker House is in a strictly residential area, there is no other businesses anywhere near it. More importantly, the Parker House offered money, just as the BW did in PPB, but in Sea Girt the Town agreed to accept the money. In PPB Barrella Tooker Corbally and Gordon said no to the money.
This is a quote from the Article you are posting on---perhaps you should read the article before posting-----unless you just want to buy Barrella nonsense.
“Zach Hosseini, an ABC spokesperson, said the Sea Girt arrangement was agreed to by the Parker House owners and the town and the ABC merely approved it. It's not as though ABC conjured up the terms to be imposed on Parker House and mandated them as a condition of license renewal, he said.”
Sam
10:04 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
Agreed, The ABC issued a stay on 6/29 before the 7/1 early closing that the town put in place. I disagree with your version of what took place. I feel the BW businesses were well aware of the extra police that was needed to provide services for their businesses, that is why they agreed to negotiate to begin with. They also agreed that there was problems. This is not the first time their was talks that came and went after the summer season was over and the town already used and provided the extra services. The reason the negotiations broke down was because the town would not agree to the stings attached that the boardwalk wanted in exchange for the money. Once the boardwalk excused the town of extortion the council could not take any money in their right mind. The negotiations ended. In the end, until the courts here the case is when everything will unfold on what happened.
Mr. Happy
7:51 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
All this debate about police presence in l'l ole Point Beach, where the problems have been exaggerated and/or fabricated by the Mayor, so they say. Yet there are members of Council (R) that have suggested a cop on every corner. Why would we need a cop on every corner if there is not a problem? Can anyone explain that? And how about this one. Camden and Newark don't have cops on every corner of problem areas. Why do we have elected officials (R), promoting this idea if PPB has no problems? Anybody want to spin that one??
Please, no "sqeaky wheel" stuff. Real answers only.
mattmurphy
7:56 am on Thursday, July 12, 2012
Happy - I do believe it was to put a cop on every corner in D4 to make sure that the tourists weren't using someone's lawn as their bathroom or bedroom. How do you know for a fact that Camden and Newark does not have cops on every corner of problem areas. When was the last time you visited Camden or Newark?
Residents First
8:17 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
Talk about putting words in people's mouth. Happy that is not close to what happened. What happened is Reid was responding to the Mayor's exaggerations by pointing pout that the increased specials would take care of the problem. Here is the link and quote:
http://pointpleasant.patch.com/articles/point-beach-council-votes-on-earlier-bar-closings-and-fees
“Reid noted that there were TV news crews around the meeting room. He said the bad publicity is already hurting the town.
Reid said that because the town will have more special police officers this summer, the problems can be addressed through additional enforcement.
‘We have enough cops to put one on every corner in District 4’ “
Not "we should", but "we could"---very different.
You obviously don’t live in D4 or you would know what Barrella has been saying about PPB is all political spin because of his vendetta against the Storinos who he blames for the recall.
What is your favorite line: "You are out of your league. Son."
Mr. Happy
9:20 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
How about these words FT: "Tourists are holding their water." And this is why ordinances are down? You're kiddin' right?
How about the exaggerations? Approx. 75 more arrests this year since Mem. Day than last year. Don't sound like an exaggeration, does it?
TV news crews? Not bad publicity. It's media exposing the truth. Of course they don't want that. It's the publicity that may save this town, in the long run.
BTW, you may have missed Mr. Happy's new line by the Mick: "Take a hike son."
Residents First
10:16 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
Happy you are sounding desperate. What is the matter? Extra enforcement working too well to suit you? I repeat: "There is something happening here, and you don't what it is, do you, Mr. Happy." With apologies to the Happenings, may I add “Will I see you in December, or lose you to November's defeat?”
Sam
9:39 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
R/F: Far from dumb or lazy, so you are the one who does not know what you are taking about. You can keep on posting all the links of research you want. I do not believe any of them. Most of them are bunch B.S.. It is all a bunch of lying nitwits who are will all get together to promote and fabricate anything they want for their own agendas. You can say what ever you want about taxes and how low they are. All the towns are different and could make their town look what ever they way want too. Tax rates are fuzzy math made up of hidden costs. The town makes more in parking? How much is the town making in parking? How many tickets do we really given and collected on? How much does it cost for the police, not just salaries, add the health, pensions, uniforms, training, specials, ticket police. Who else knows what? I would need proof of all these figures before I would believe that the police pays for itself.
Residents First
10:07 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
Like I said: dumb and lazy. You didn’t even review the link to the tax info did you? You don’t want the facts. Well, here they are anyway: Tax rates from County, all the towns are there, no fuzzy math, no fabrication. Just facts you do not want to believe. Parking revenue about 3 million a year. Police about 3 million per year for all year.
When you realize PPB has, and always has had, low taxes you begin to understand why the kind of changes you advocate for our schools, our police, our DPW and are town are unnecessary and downright dangerous. Parking revenue about 3 million a year. Police about 3 million per year for all year.
Residents First
10:22 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
Of course Barrella is destroying those low taxes. $238 increase. Boro has a $63 dollar increase. If Barrella stays in office much longer Boro might actually end up with taxes almost as low as PPB.
Sam
11:48 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
Residents First,, Again, Like I said, neither dumb or stupid. I do not care what the link or the tax info.... I do not believe it. The tax rate does not tell the entire story. So what? Where do you think the County gets the tax rates from. Parking Revenue about? Police about? Who is that from? You...About? I do not believe it. I will only Advocate for what and who I believe in. Unfortunately, you start out supporting organizations, politicians in town. Unfortunately once they give you a lot of reasons not to any longer, it ends for me.
Sam
9:41 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
R/F: Point Pleasant Beach is in the business of parking and giving tickets, maybe that is the real reason why visitors are choosing to go somewhere else.
Residents First
10:19 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
Sam: Nice to see someone admit that Barrella's antics are actually driving families away. He needs to be stopped before he does any more damage to our businesses. It is not just the BW businesses that are suffering because of his nonsensical exaggerations. All of our businesses are suffering.
Sam
12:04 am on Thursday, July 12, 2012
Residents First: Where did I say Barrella's antics are actually driving families away? The town itself is driving tourists away? Many have admitted they do not like Bennies. Some Residents keep on telling them to go home. If you go back and look at all the comments made by the alias are boardwalk supporters. What I said, Point Beach is in the business of parking and giving out tickets. You yourself just said in the above comment. The town makes 3 million in parking? To pay back the police 3 million, so who pays for all the rest of the services and what is needed to run the town. The BW promotes this and their reasoning why they do not want to pay any extra for the police is needed. They feel the town makes money on their visitors who park. So its revenue and get tickets is what everyone promotes. The boardwalk, town and police included. The town needs it to pay for the police. The police continually wants raises every year. It just never stops....It is a vicious cycle.
Mr. Happy
10:28 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
Hi Resident- The quote the other day by Bob Dylan to Mr. Happy was from Important
Questions. Why do you now say, "I repeat" ---and then mention the same quote.
Can you explain that?????????? New saying. You have been exposed. Son.
Residents First
10:33 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
Sure can Happy. Residents First had Important Questions. You mean you just figured that out? And I thought you were smarter than that. It's the message Happy, not the messanger.
Mr. Happy
8:07 am on Thursday, July 12, 2012
Here's one for you Res. First. After being discredited as Res. First, then morphing into other names (as you freely admit), those being discredited, why return to post as Res. First? You are now on par with Spooner in the cred. department. If the messengers keep being eliminated, perhaps the message should change?
Residents First's Important Questions
8:42 am on Thursday, July 12, 2012
Happy--discredited? I don't think so. Message not changeing. Message based on facts you want to ignore. Fortunately more and more residents see through you and Barrella every day. How was your boy Barrella's reception with the Chamber of Commerce yesterday?
Spooner
11:03 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
Sam-your getting to be boring with the hyperbole and innuendos. . .Start using "facts"...to back up your all your BS. Go do some research(I think I'm the second one telling you), and homework and reading of newspapers(both online and off line for one ...before you make statements. You can push your opinions only so far. . .
Again: you don't know what your talking about when you claim that the BW had strings attached in giving the town the $800,000. It was the town at the last minute who changed the game plan after Gordon and the BW agreed to the 800K. . .by requiring the BW to drop their parking lawsuit with the money offer. . .And no I'm not going to post the BW attorney's letter here on patch that said that. . .Get off your horse...and go look for it! Oh that's right...the world revolves around you. . .facts don't matter. . .there all lies!
Sam
12:15 am on Thursday, July 12, 2012
Spooner, You stop with your boring Hyperbole and innuendos. That is all you do is BS., stick your links and facts up you know where.... I do not believe you. Especially the old story of the 800,000K that was offered with no strings attached. It was in Bold print from the BW lawyers. I do not need to see it again. I think you are mistaken with the world revolves around me. It is YOU who thinks the world revolves around. You are someone who does not live in this town. You will not tell me how far I can push my OPINIONS. It is FREEDOM OF SPEECH for ALL. If you do not like it, too bad,,,,Please worry about your own town, instead of meddling in to other towns. Who's facts should I be going by? YOURS!!! That's comical, To many already have proven so many times. Now that is facts, NO B.S..... You are boring me with all your double talk.... Why don't you worry about your own town....
Sam
12:19 am on Thursday, July 12, 2012
It is comical that you think you are believable. You have been proven so many times that you are wrong with your "FACTS"
mattmurphy
8:02 am on Thursday, July 12, 2012
Sam - after reading all of your posts, I think someone spiked the Sangria!!! Geeesh!!!!
Sam
8:43 am on Thursday, July 12, 2012
matt: You most have skipped a few... I prefer beer. Why? Because not many are believing the Beach Lies and Fairytales.... I think you might be drinking everything and anything that is spiked. Put down the Beach Juice..it is starting to have an affect on you. It is clouding you judgement. Beach Juice= Beach Bubble.
Mr. Happy
8:28 am on Thursday, July 12, 2012
Let's put the exaggeration issue to rest once and for all. In times of conflict, the real story is told by the "boots on the ground." OK, some may not believe the Chief and the statistics. So, go ahead and ask any of the full time police officers, the "boots on the ground" in the Beach. But beware, it'll be an eye opener for the naysayer.
Residents First's Important Questions
8:48 am on Thursday, July 12, 2012
I agree. Ask the full time police officers if the parking plan or bar closings are something they believe PPB needs. Not one officer I have met has ever said the police can't handle the situation----when the politicians leave their funding alone.
Joe
10:01 am on Thursday, July 12, 2012
Do you really think a police officer is going to admit that they can't handle any situation? Agreed, Most police officers are not going to support the parking plan or bar closings. DUH!!!! .That is their JOB SECURITY! Bar closings=Less Police needed. Parking Plan= Less Police needed. You can train a monkey to do that job!
Full Timer
9:05 am on Thursday, July 12, 2012
Mr. Happy, in reference to your posting last evening, my father passed away in 1989 and I am not your "son". In fact, I doubt that you have any children my age, unless you are in your 80s, although it appears that you believe referring to people as "son" or referring to yourself in the 3rd person makes you superior. I can only hope that this issue comes down to a BINDING Public Referendum (Good for Five Years in NJ where binding referendums are permitted on issues involving alcohol) so that those of you who continue to believe that you represent the residents of the borough find out how wrong you were. If you believe in democracy you will welcome this issue to come to a vote. Have a "Happy" summer !!
D4 Resident
12:00 pm on Thursday, July 12, 2012
Full Timer, couldn't agree more. All these issues need to be binding referendums. I hope that can happen. As a local business owner, I need the parking plan removed and for bars to remain open until 2 am to maintain my business and my family's QUALITY of LIFE!
Mr. Happy
11:31 am on Thursday, July 12, 2012
Hi Full Timer- I'm very sorry about last night's comment. Proving that Mr. Happy is not perfect, that post was directed to Res. First. Mea culpa. Seems Res. First has openly admitted to posting under multiple aliases, saying the exact same things.
I wouldn't refer to you in the derogatory; you are the most reasonable of the opposition and I respect most of your points, all under one banner. Again, sorry.
As to the response from the new poster RFIQ, the question is not whether the police can "handle" the situation. The question was, are things getting worse each year?
The "boots" will confirm that things are going downhill. Add that to the numbers and - well, there you have it, son (RFIQ and D4).
Hi Joe- You say you could train a monkey to do the job of the police? That, son will pass w/o comment.
Full Timer
12:08 pm on Thursday, July 12, 2012
Mr. H, Apology accepted with a thank you. Have a nice weekend.
Residents First's Inportant Questions
12:28 pm on Thursday, July 12, 2012
Hi Happy---I don’t try to use different styles to pretend there are more posters then there are, although I certainly could hide behind different styles if I wanted too. Only Barrellistas are concerned with how many posters are for them or against them. I use different banners designed to respond to the issues of the day. As I keep trying to tell you folks, quit obsessing on the messenger. It is the message that counts.
On to the issue of the day you raised. If you want to know if people have been getting less and less well behaved as time marches on, there is no question that is true. And if you want to know if PPB’s tourists are immune from this trend; we all know they are not. The issues are: 1) is the BW responsible for this trend? Answer no. (Go ahead ask the boots on the ground, I have); and 2) how does PPB respond? The answer is not to exaggerate the problems to justify bar closings and parking plans to please squeaky wheels and win elections, as Barrella Corbally Tooker and Gordon have done. The answer is the same as it has always been in PPB------------provide the necessary police protection.
CON'T
Residents First's Inportant Questions
12:29 pm on Thursday, July 12, 2012
CON'T from above
So ask the boots on the ground if the people are more badly behaved? Answer is yes. Ask the boots on the ground if the BW is responsible? Answer is no. And then ask the boots on the ground what we should do about it. Answer: provide adequate funding and then stay out of the way so the boots on the ground, as you call them, can do their job. It always has been, and always will be, the right thing to do.
PS despite the obvious animosity you have for me, I do not have any such feelings for you. I do feel compelled, however, to ensure the residents get all points of view----not just Barrella’s. Have a good day.
Mr. Happy
2:45 pm on Thursday, July 12, 2012
Hi Resident- No animosity here. Any fan of Mr. Zimmerman is OK in my book.
We're just on differing sides of the fence and a healthy debate is fine- and one messenger should be sufficient per customer, but if like to multi-post, that's fine too.
Let's all hope this place doesn't become Desolation Row.
Spooner
1:36 pm on Thursday, July 12, 2012
mattmurphy- I too think he(she) was using another screen name? He(she) keeps referring to old stories of the past(attacking the messengers, etc) . . .All this has been discussed. . .at times ad nauseum?? There's nothing new from him to report? The biggest laugh has to be when he accused me of not living in the Beach. .Like it really matters! .I'm sure 'Residents First' could well attest to the interlocking relationships between families, friends...past and present co-workers who work and live in both towns. . .What happens in the Beach affects the Borough community and vice versa...Beginning in 2009 there was shared services(anti-union). . .and your Mayor and some of his police; remember when the Mayor used the Bilotti recall legal argument(Bilotti was living in the Boro and collecting signatures in the Beach). . . well his police pulled the same argument and began putting their two sense into our 2010 Mayoral election. . .And you had Boro resident ( Laura Beeden) showing up at a Beach Council meeting that year beating the shared services drums(a.k.a. pounding down the borough's Mayoral candidate Susan Rogers there)
Hey Mayor and Councilman Corbally. . .how's those Motel/Hotel vacancies doing this year? Lets see: you budgeted $210,000 in anticipated revenue shown on sheet 4. . .you think your going to make those numbers?
http://www.pointpleasantbeach.org/documents/budget_2012.pdf
Joe
10:46 am on Friday, July 13, 2012
Spooner, Matt: You are both a joke!!! (He) You knuckle heads, Everyone is referring to the good ole boys, referring to old stories, politics of both past and present, this is what brings you to this point that.
Spooner
11:23 am on Friday, July 13, 2012
Joe- OS today letter complaining about up coming PPB property tax bill...blaming Barrella!. . .other than that...quite frankly: " I Don't Know What Your Talkin About"? Maybe you want to put forth a few more sentences. . .you left off with:"what brings you to this point that"...What comes after 'that' ??
mailman
11:04 pm on Thursday, July 12, 2012
Read the Bloomberg article posted online today. A further absolute emabarassment and misrepresentation of our fine town. Nearly every post under the article is a statement of how the reader would never come to PPB. This Mayor is slowly doing more harm than any bunch of drunks could ever do. Great job Vinny, you're now a worldwide embarrassment to us.
Spooner
1:56 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012
More of Barrella's media blitz. . .'mailman'. . .Hate to say it . . .but he's looking to...if not succeeding in curtailing the businesses there. He and his D4 supporters want the BW out! You just read his crying statement he made to the ABC on how he has to close his blinds and windows because of the BW crowd. . .And just how is it that they(Bloomberg) came to interview Dave Cavagnaro of all people??
Part Timer
4:44 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012
I understand how the article is an absolute embarassment but why just blame this Mayor. Why not all the past Mayor's and council members who let these bars get as big as they are today.
Mr. Happy
7:36 am on Friday, July 13, 2012
Hi Mailman- I read the Bloomberg article and I have to say I partially agree with you. It is an embarrassment, but not to the town, but to the boardwalk. Through the years, it has been the media triggering change by reporting on issues. This case is no different. When you say this is a worldwide embarrassment, it's like the meat packing industry saying Upton Sinclair embarrassed them. Mr. Happy was never a big fan of the Fourth Estate. Until now.
PennyStocks
11:51 am on Friday, July 13, 2012
do you really expect this group to know who upton sinclair is or the disgrace that was the meat packing industry
Spooner
12:26 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012
...the same Upton Sinclair who was one of the precursors to the Social Security Law, with his EPIC(End Poverty in California) booklet...how many of you knew that...
Part Timer
2:16 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012
Halvorsen said rental-house parties, not the bars, are the source of many of the problems, including the trash and the noise. Really....
Anyway, if the police would follow the rules of the ABC we could find out the true numbers of where the problems are coming from.
Police are supposed ask a series of question when making an arrest for intoxication:
What kind of alcoholic drinks have you had.
How many.
WHERE........................................................................................................
Part Timer
2:22 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012
Also, is it true we have our own ABC enforcement in PPB, if so why are we NOT enforcing this other ABC law...
No licensee shall sell, serve or deliver or allow, permit or suffer the sale, service or delivery of any alcoholic beverage, directly or indirectly to any person actually or apparently intoxicated....
nobody
3:03 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012
Part-timer-Really!!! When was the last time you saw any of the bars in town serving red solo cups, beer in cans, paper plates, or diapers???? The bars in this town have a clean record and I personally know from experience that the BW bars do their best to identify people who have had to much, they do not stack drinks at any time of the day or night and in an effort to not over serve all mixed drinks use measured shots. It amazes me how all of you Barrella sycophants look so hard for something to be wrong that if you can not find it then it is because someone must not be doing there job. Did you ever think maybe there is just nothing to be found? You guys are like gold miners, you are just going to dig until you find some spec or you will die trying. Get a life and put your efforts toward something useful.
mattmurphy
12:00 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012
Joe - not sure what your post means. Give my best to Sam. I hope you both have an enjoyable day!
Joe
2:54 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012
matt, I would, if I knew who Sam is. But you are to thick headed to realize you are assuming. You know what they say about those who assume. I was responding to Spooner above. He referred you and me in the above comment It really surprised me what spooner has said in his latest above comment. I though She or He was a little bit smarter than the points he was trying to make. Everyone knows about the interlocking relationships between the towns. Like I have said, MAJORITY of the RESIDENTS WHO RESIDE IN NJ is aware of the "NEPOTISM". Really not hard to figure out. That all spooner does, is go by past articles of what took place mainly in the "BEACH" He has to be kidding with his nonsense he proclaims.
Spooner
5:37 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012
joe- thanks for adding some more sentences. My post to 'matt' was addressing 'Sam' 'Sam' keeps bringing up old news. I had those discussions with Barrella here a year ago...then there were some others who couldn't attack the facts...so there was more repeat performances like Sam's. You don't agree about the past...but that is part and parcel to understanding the issues today. What's those expressions: you can't change the spots on a leopard or the stripes on a tiger. Peoples past actions and their political beliefs don't change. . .What they did in 2010...there still doing today...only more circumspect in the ways they do it. They don't put political ads using their name or hang political banners off their back fence any more.
Sam
10:08 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012
HAHAHA..... You and all the rest of the moron BW supporters do not have a clue. I can promise you. There is many ( HE'S ) and ( SHE'S) Who are upset on what has been taking place in this town. They have problems with what the school, police and town has been allowed to overlook. Clearly it is noticeable to many. Clearly it is making themselves all look bad. I know it is not easy to admit to all the problems. But the sooner they all do, the sooner we can get our town in order. Sorry Joe, the bw supporters and Barrella haters are losing it.
Mr. Happy
2:07 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012
Hi Spooner- Did the OS mention that the chairman of the budget committee responsible for crafting the budget is one of the (R) councilman? Let's remember this "paper" is anti-PPB gov't. because the BW drives their ad revenue. Anyway, Spooner, please post the Bloomberg article link when you get a chance. I think Bloomberg News may be a wee bit more credible than the OS. Thanks.
Hi Penny- I see your point, but Mr. Happy is just trying to "raise the bar," so to speak.
Joe
2:56 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012
That is because Spooner is full of BULL DONKEY!
Spooner
5:39 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012
Although I respect Bloomberg when it writes about business, I have my reservations about their political leanings...
MoonDogie
2:47 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012
AHHH, The Bloomberg article: As seen through the eyes of a French teacher who, during his 12 years in PPB, has not yet even begun to leave footprints in the sand, much less be considered an authority on what PPB is all about! He made it sound like he was holed up in his maison afraid to come out for fear the SUMMER PEOPLE might get him. Mon Dieu!
The Bloomberg article was disingenuous. Beer bottles on his lawn? That just means neighbors are having parties. Bars do not allow alcohol past their doors. Screaming crowds? I have gone out 5 nights since Memorial Day, just to witness the horrible behavior you speak of. Sorry, nowhere to be found. I did see a lot of police and private security people. I felt very safe. Long running tension? Only since the FAB 4 created this exaggerated negative publicity.
Really? A glass panel broken - probably neighborhood kids playing ball. Perhaps that should be banned also. Uninvited visitors in a pool? - Who of us locals have not enjoyed an innocent night of pool jumping after dark. GUILTY! Might not be right, but lots of fun. You should try it. I understand your woe over losing your cement lions, but really Mr. C, you should thank them. They did you a favor.
And finally, Public Defecation - I would like to ask “someone in the know” to report on just how many ACTUAL citations were written since Memorial Day, 2012, specifically for Public Defecation in district 4.
nobody
3:37 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012
Great post! Also guilty. It is a fact that the police, security and bartenders are VERY conscientious not to allow ANYBODY to leave the bars with drinks. Believe it or not these people want to stay in business and do everything possible to assure that no laws are broken, that everybody is safe, and to be GOOD neighbors!! It is a shame that the Barrellista's Tooker, Corbally, and Gordon have been able to slander and bash the good names of people that have given their all to be good and successful business people and give back to the community they love and live in.
Joe
3:00 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012
The boardwalk really needs to start interviewing their "CRONIES before they support them. Because the ones that they have just does not cut it. Not very bright, they make it worse for the boardwalk then better.
Denise Di Stephan
3:01 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012
Part Timer: Let's not write comments that someone has to "stop" someone, ok?
Part Timer
3:21 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012
Denise, are you kidding me..........
Part Timer
4:00 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012
Denise, I ask you stop someone who is trying to find my address and identity and you do nothing....
I post about someone single handingy destroying the picture of PPB in the minds of tourists and you tell me to stop. REALLY...........................
Part Timer
3:30 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012
nodody or who ever your name has been over the last month....
Bull$#!%%.
nobody
3:39 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012
You are clueless!!
Part Timer
4:26 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012
Denise, I had assumed you were giving me a warning not realizing you deleted my post.
OK, let me re-phrase that....
People in general should STOP doing interviews about what goes on in or around there house... it is only making our town look worse in the eyes of the tourist.
Part Timer
3:58 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012
Ok nobody...
You said, The bars in this town have a clean record and I personally know from experience that the BW bars do their best to identify people who have had to much, they do not stack drinks at any time of the day or night and in an effort to not over serve all mixed drinks use measured shots. THAT IS A JOKE....
The BW owners refused when asked if they would stop stacking the drinks at last call.
Last year I was asked to leave the TIKI when I questioned the bouncers why they were letting in a person that was actually using the wall as you come in so that she could keep herself upright she was so drunk
Don't tell me they do everything by the book...
BTW, I have no ties to the Mayor....
Mr. Happy
4:05 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012
Bloomberg News, Star Ledger, AP Press. All exposing the truth. How long are people going to continue the denials here on Patch? The court of public opinion (and the recent court decision, is starting to take hold. To paraphrase Robert McNamara:
" If we can't persuade people to the merits of our cause, we better re-examine our reasoning." BW supporters, that time has come.
Denise Di Stephan
4:15 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012
Part timer: People have every right to do interviews about any topic they choose to discuss, including what goes on in and around their house. It's called free speech. And "re-phrase" is the correct spelling.
Part Timer
4:24 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012
Freedom of speech, so why is it that my post was deleted?
If someone wants to be interviewed by the press then we should have the ability to respond... NO?
Part Timer
4:29 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012
Or maybe it has to do with me being a Part Timer... HMMMMM...
Part Timer
4:35 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012
Let me RE-PHRASE that...
I wish Dave Cavagnaro would think about what he is saying in these interviews. He is painting a picture in the minds of the tourists that is not good for PPB...
How is that Denise.....
Beach_N8iv
4:43 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012
"Mayor Vincent Barrella, who is seeking an emergency appeal of Halfacre’s decision."
How sweet, he's willing to spend OUR very last dime on his vendetta. If the squeaky wheels down in D4 want to destroy the businesses in this town and rob the residents of their income let THEM pay for it! Better yet, MOVE.
Spooner
4:55 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012
Beach- any confirmation of Barrella's actions regarding the emergency appeal. Maybe patch can contact whomever to confirm. Can you post link to document if one exists?
Part Timer
4:57 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012
I am not looking to destroy the businesses, I am more for the 1% then you could imagine. What I am trying to do is keep the value of my realestate which is something you are willing to forgo.
TK
9:02 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012
Until the BW businesses decide to stop destroying and robbing the residents. Maybe they are the ones who should Move.
Beach_N8iv
2:46 am on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Spooner, that quote came from the Bloomberg article. I'm watching several sources for any additional news. I'll keep you posted if I learn anything.
Beach_N8iv
2:53 am on Saturday, July 14, 2012
TK, I'm talking about the businesses in the rest of the town. Believe it or not there are businesses and their employees that depend on the Summer crowd. The cabal that is going after TWO businesses to placate a few squeaky wheels are hurting them, the charter boats, for example and other bars that don't generate any complaints.
Spooner
4:46 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012
...you issuing a decreed again...more of your omniscient style?. . .Lets all get down on our knees. . .No need for Courts and Laws anymore. . .It's trial by media! Hopefully the investigators will identity whose been calling the New York media and the newspapers. We know for a fact that Barrella has been calling Paul Mulshine of the Star Ledger. . .We also know that Mulshine has outed Councilman Gordon's wife postings on his blog with more negativism of PPB...and we know it was Cavagnaro who was the chief spoke person for the Bloomberg story.
mailman
8:25 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012
Mr. Happy, fact of the matter is that this is not bad press for the bars at all. The exact bad people that we are trying to keep away will be attracted by this story and get down here to see for themselves. It will make the bars busier. It is bad for the town though and that is what matters. The families will read this and not want to cone here, just as all of the posts under that article stated. Again, this mayor does not know what he is getting us into.
Part Timer
8:33 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012
mailman, very true....
as long as there is money coming into the BW bars, I really don't think they care where money comes from. Good example: Seaside
In there defense, it is a business, and you need revenue to survive no matter how or where you get it.
Part Timer
8:35 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012
Does anyone else get pending approval every time they post?
Beach_N8iv
2:48 am on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Hit "REFRESH" when you get that, it should clear.
mailman
8:52 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012
The bw is not blabbing to and misleading the press. It is mayor barrella who is providing the free advertisement for them, in a way they mist likely do not want. They have never spent the kind of money that these articles will yield in revenues from the people we don't want here.
TK
9:13 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012
The BW is blabbing and misleading to the OS local paper....They have no other choice. The BW is their biggest customer. They also blab misleading information to the radio station 101.5. biggest advertisement. They are making themselves out to be the perfect business model and that they are good neighbors. Not, it is furthest from the truth.
nobody
11:15 am on Saturday, July 14, 2012
How do you figure that the BW is the OS's biggest customer? I just went through the OS page by page. There is one add in the corner of page 6 which is the PPB section and the add is geared toward young children, NOT bar crowds or gang members as you and corbally would want us to believe. Stop making BS up people are catching on to your propaganda and are getting sick of it. BTW Kris Tooker has more ties to the ocean star then anybody realizes, the Diaz's have family ties to the APP, and Barrella is close friends with Mulshine from the Star Ledger so who do you really think is controlling the press?????
Spooner
11:58 am on Saturday, July 14, 2012
nobody- another piece to the media puzzle identifying the culprits who have been contacting the media...Hurting all the town's businesses. Can you be more specific with the Diaz family connection and the APP? Thanks
mailman
9:16 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012
What misleading information do they state? I have a list of what barrella has misled about.
Sam
9:33 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012
HAHAHA....Everything that comes out of their mouth is misleading information. I have a list too. Why bother? So it can get twisted by some of the moron BW supporters.
mailman
9:19 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012
And when you state that the bw is robbing the town, do consider barrella to be wearing a mask too, as he is the one ego stated and decided that the money they wanted to pay was only $3/household/month and that we could afford it?
mailman
9:37 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012
Any examples Sam? So are you calling me a moron? Are you upset with mayor barrella for rejecting the bw $ because as he states its only $3/household/month? Are ok paying for the cops? Im not . Guess im just a moron.
Cathy Kelly
11:35 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012
I have stayed away from these comments because it is the same one or two people under multiple alias posting alot about nothing but the fact of the matter is our town is getting alot of publicity and it is not solely because of the council,the BW or certain residents it is because,the town is changing and the Politics are getting out of control... I have said before,the BW has proven that they have more power than our elected officials(the fact that our town cannot regulate the hours that alcohol is served,which is a given right in the state of NJ)proves that the BW has the power....with that being said I did not agree with the bar closings but the fact is that it doesn't matter who agrees and who doesn't...PPB is not allowed to do what EVERY other town in the state of NJ is allowed to do...We get it,,,,Now,if the BW cares about the residents of the town,they can make a donation(a reimbursement) to the Police endowment fund,(which the residents are currently paying for)they can show good faith and let the residents know that they realize that we are subsidizing their business.
Nick Carraway
11:40 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012
Part Timer, I don't know whether the ABC requires the police to ask the questions you suggested (I'm not saying that I don't believe you. I just don't actually know that information myself) and I don't know whether our PPB police actually ask those questions or not. However, I'm sure that our PPB police, as well as most of us civilians know one thing: drunk people often lie. "How many drinks have you had?"....the answer is often "two _____." In fact, I bet our local cops wish that they had a nickel for every time they heard a drunk person say that they only had two drinks. Similarly, drunk people are still often smart enough not to "out" one of their friends for throwing a party at a house or confessing to having a cooler full of alcohol in their trunk. So, I would not rely on statements made by drunk people who have been stopped by police as evidence of anything other than they are drunk people.
TK
9:46 am on Saturday, July 14, 2012
NC, You are right, It is not only drunks who lies. Everyone lies....The bw should still be asking the questions. Where did you come from? Where were you drinking? How many drinks did you have? I am sure a good police would be able detect they had more drinks then what they are willing to admit to. Yes, they could lie where they were at. But at least it is on record in case something happens and can be looked back on what was stated and the town has record of it.
Part Timer
11:16 am on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Nick, go to the ABC web-site...
Beach_N8iv
5:02 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Remember, too, that they have the right to refuse to answer ANY questions. That would be MY choice.
Nick Carraway
11:44 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012
MoonDogie, regarding your comments about Mr. Cavagnaro's complaints about beer bottles on his lawn, Mr. Cavagnaro has, at least in previous years, had problems with animal houses near his house. Everyone knows that the BW bars don't serve alcohol in bottles. So, I'd say that you're guess is a good one...that those bottles are due to some neighbor having a party, and not a late-night BW bar patron.
Cathy Kelly
11:56 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012
Let the BW make a donation, while it is well known that we have elected official,s family members commenting on here and we have many people with their own agendas posting,on all sides,let's see the BW do the right thing by the residents...Please spare us the line that as long as Barrella is in office than they will do nothing because the bottom line is that there will always be a Politician in office that they don't like....THIS IS ABOUT THE RESIDENTS.....and many residents are paying attention....it has nothing to do with who is in office...If the BW wants to be good neighbors than NOW IS THE TIME....reimburse the residents by making a donation to the Police Endowment Fund............
Debunking Nonsense
7:55 am on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Ms. Kelly. You are not telling the truth when you say you have stayed away. We can all see you have been posting under an alias.
Debunking Nonsense
7:56 am on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Ms. Kelly: You are not advocating for residents. You are advocating for Barrella. Worse yet, despite the fact that you have been exposed over and over again as a shrill for Barrella you keep wanting to pretend you are just for the residents. Most residents know Barrella is not on the residents’ side. Like you, Barrella is only on Barrella’s side.
TK
9:49 am on Saturday, July 14, 2012
What are you then? You have been exposed over and over again that you are a boardwalk shrill.
Debunking Nonsense
7:18 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
No wrong. Barrella supporters keep pretendig all of us have ties to the BW. Not true. Too many of us not voting for his nonsense. Just a long time resident of D4 who is pro PPB, and, therefore, anti-Barrella. And because Barrella has decided to demonize the BW, we do have to balance the debate with the truth about the BW.
Debunking Nonsense
7:56 am on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Ms. Kelly: The whole world is always changing, not just PPB, that is the nature of time---it marches on. As a poster noted above, people are becoming more and more misbehaved. But you and Barrella want to blame the BW for these changes. The BW is not responsible for this change. And you and Barrella and Tooker and Gordon and Corbally harm all the businesses when, to satisfy Barrella’s vendetta against the BW and win elections you pretend these changes are the BW’s fault.
Debunking Nonsense
7:56 am on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Ms. Kelly: The town lost the power it had to close the bars because Barrella Tooker Corbally and Gordon tried to make the BW pay for police by ordinance. And that is an “improper motive.”
Debunking Nonsense
7:56 am on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Ms. Kelly: You know and I know that the reason the State stayed the ordinance is not because they are taking powers from the town, bur because Barrella Tooker Corbally and Gordon tried to take powers from the State and give those powers to the town. Those powers are the powers to force the bars to pay.
Cathy Kelly
11:02 am on Saturday, July 14, 2012
debunking, you truly are pathetic
Debunking Nonsense
7:57 am on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Ms. Kelly: Barrella Tooker Corbally and Gordon have been, with your help, and the help of a small group of syncopates---Diaz, Loder, Motta----been trying to convince the residents of a lie----this lie is your insistence that the downturn in tourists behavior is the fault of the BW. By spreading this lie you have hurt all the businesses. Now you want the businesses to give you money after your lie is taking money from them. Not going to happen. Tell you what-----bet BW would make this deal tomorrow-----Barrella Tooker Corbally and Gordon resign and agree never to run for office again and they publicly admit they have been spreading this lie and created the issue for political purposes by cutting the specials budget--- and in exchange the BW gives the Town 1 million over 5 years. I bet the BW would jump on that deal. If you were really for residents so would you.
TK
9:37 am on Saturday, July 14, 2012
D/N, Just more nonsense and lies! Small group? Tooker, Corbally, Gordon had more votes than a few... Barrella might not have the majority of votes based on how many was in the race... But he won three times...so this just shows how small minded you are and just another bw shill.
TK
9:38 am on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Debunking Nonsense/Hennessy go away.
Cathy Kelly
10:59 am on Saturday, July 14, 2012
haha,just reading some of your comments and you are funny,i must admit
Debunking Nonsense
7:57 am on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Ms. Kelly: How can the BW give money when Barrella Tooker Corbally and Gordon refused to take the money offered?
Debunking Nonsense
7:57 am on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Ms. Kelly: The BW has always been good neighbors and donated to the fire company first aide, schools etc. But this idea that the town is subsidizing their business and the BW OWES the town money because tourists are more misbehaved now is nonsense. The BW does not owe anything to PPB because people have become more misbehaved over time. The law does not require such payments. The BW does not owe them. Unless and until you and Barrella Tooker Corbally and Gordon recognize that truth, I would not expect the BW to donate one more dime of their hard earned money
TK
9:56 am on Saturday, July 14, 2012
You are right they don't owe the town money. But they need to follow the town rules. If they do not like it, maybe they should move. The state should have allowed the town to set their own hours. All the explanations of why they should not have is debunking nonsense.
Spooner
11:02 am on Saturday, July 14, 2012
TK- the town Council voted against early bar closing, including Tooker and Gordon at the April 17, 2012 Council meeting. Now what is it you want to tell the state?
http://www.pointpleasantbeach.org/news.php?action=fullnews&id=1385
Laura
1:06 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Debunking,
Donating is great PR and it's a tax write-off. Don't Canonize them.
Debunking Nonsense
7:24 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
What town rules? No one should sit idly by while Government tries to extort money by passing illegal laws. What is nonsense about the fact that, as Director Halfacre said, Barrella Tooker Gordon and Corbally have an “improper motive”? As the Director also said, there is ample evidence of the improper motive in the on the record comments of Barrella Tooker Corbally, and Gordon.
I inderstand you don't like it, but that is the truth.
blindbert
8:32 am on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Yowee!
Another brand new poster with the same ole same hole opinion. Another MPD (multiple personality disorder) candidate, one of a few that either recycle or multipost.
This is to down to think that there is a biggger number of people oppossed to the parking plan.
The pilot parking plan is working and most who actually live in D4 think it is good.
The naysayers are those whose bread is buttered by the BW.
You know the Politi-schills, BW employees and those that get contracts,jobs and appointments!
Do you really think that these are new posters if their opinion is so heated on this issue?
This is the first time they chose to post on this hot topic that has been going on for so long?
Cut me a break!
TK
9:25 am on Saturday, July 14, 2012
bb, Don't listen to Debunking. He/She is definitely nonsense. You are always right...So right, just another MPD, Pollit-shills attached to the bw.
nobody
11:28 am on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Perhaps others like me have had enough of the lies and propaganda and have finally decided to voice our opinions and tell the truths as we know it. I was involved with the Barrella gang and I KNOW that one of their favorite tactics is to throw something out keep throwing it out, and as time goes by it starts to stick.
Beach_N8iv
5:31 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
If the people in the Promised Land of D4 love this parking scam so much maybe THEY should pay for it. That includes, of course, the legal fees. The other three districts (YES, there are other districts) that currently have no parking, law or code enforcement should get a pass. We WILL have our say in November.
MoonDogie
5:48 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
The only way in which the pilot parking plan is working is to clear the streets for district 4'ers. Due to the less than well thought out details, let us keep in mind that we have yet to receive ANY money from the parking tickets and we will have to deal with the Manditory court appearances in the "undefined" future. And you say it's working....? Maybe for you!
Debunking Nonsense
8:46 am on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Bert. This is about debate. This is about different points of view. I see you refuse to believe there can be an honest difference of opinion on these issues. That is really sad. The sooner you realize you are not always right; that yours is just one of many legitimate points of view on theses issues, the "Happier", you will be. Pun intended.
blindbert
10:16 am on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Dear DB Nonsense,
How come you are so late to the debate?
This has beeen hot for over a year now and today are your first postings!
Mercy!
Or are you another poster with MPD ?
Debunking Nonsense
7:13 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
5. In the last election, June of 2012, the candidate endorsed by Barrella Tooker Corbally and Gordon lost by over 150 votes----5 times the margin of Barrella’s last victory.
Debunking Nonsense
7:14 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
It was a beautiful day for a boat ride, no?
A couple of important points:
There is, in fact, a legitimate debate on these issues, whether the supporters of Barrella Tooker Gordon and Corbally want to admit it or not. Those who refuse to recognize this legitimate debate are ignoring the obvious, undeniable facts.
What obvious undeniable facts?
1. In the November 2011 election 812 people voted for Barrella, 776 for Reid, and 81 for Lurie. Whether you like it or not, 857 people, a majority of those who voted, voted for someone other than Barrella.
2. Barrella’s margin of victory has been shrinking with each election.
3. In the last election, June of 2012, the candidate endorsed by Barrella Tooker Corbally and Gordon lost by over 150 votes----5 times the margin of Barrella’s last victory.
4. The large majority of these voters are not in anyway related to the BW.
5. They are, like me, simply one of many long time residents who knows what Barrella Tooker Gordon and Corbally are doing is bad for PPB.
6. Worse yet, it looks like these four are motivated by a personal dislike and vendetta against the Storinios.
TK
9:32 am on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Debunking, Nonsense....What debate? The deception of your views on the multiple above comments. Not even close to the truth.. The bw never attended to be a good neighbors. There has been a lot of stall tactics of the years. They would have already if that is what they truly wanted to be.
blindbert
11:25 am on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Maybe the DB will reincarnate!
Nick Carraway
1:16 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Ms. Kelly, you and I have regularly agreed on one thing, that having the BW help to offset the costs of the police by paying money to the town was a good idea. In fact, I think you admitted on another article that you helped to faciliate this process by suggesting that there was probably too much water under the bridge between Barrella & the BW, and you recommended that Gordon & Mayer be sent to meet with the BW to see if an arrangement could be worked out. So, why is it, now that the Barrella bloc messed this up, by not taking the money when it was offered, you feel that the BW should still contribute money to the town? The ABC has not made a final decision. This matter is still going to tried before an administrative judge. The BW could still lose. So, following your idea, the BW could contribute the money to the police, and then still end up with early bar closings. That's just not right. Gordon asked for $160K, the BW said okay, Gordon, Mayer & Barrella went out in the hallway (and, notice that Barrella was there, sticking his nose into it, even though even you thought there was too much water under the bridge for Barrella to be able to work with the BW in a productive manner), and that was it...no deal because, on top of the money, Barrella and crew wanted the parking plan lawsuit dropped. That decision seems pretty foolish considering the town seems to be winning the parking plan suit, right? They could've just taken the money and let the BW fight the parking.
Cathy Kelly
4:02 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Nick,you are the master of spinning the truth. First off,I will agree that the situation became a mess but it was caused by Everyone involved,not just one side...People like you will never admit that because of your agenda....There were so many stories,with strings,without strings etc...Just curious Nick,were you standing in the hallway when that happened or is that what you were told? haha....Anyway,yes the early bar closing could still happen but even if it does it will not take place this summer and we are paying for all the extra specials right now. why can't the BW make a one time donation. Just because the BW and the Council are at odds does not mean that the residents should be left holding the bag.....You keep saying that they want to be good neighbors but if that is true than they have an avenue to prove that.
mailman
5:50 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Ms. Kelly, in all fairness in relation to your "one-sided" reference above, are you at all upset with Mayor Barrella stating publicly that the cost of the extra cops that the BW were willing to pay for only amounted to $3/household/month and that he felt the residents could absorb the additional dollar amount and in-turn rejected it?
Debunking Nonsense
7:31 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Ms. Kelly: I'm confused. Why should the BW contribute to the cost of specials when no law allows the Town to compel business to pay for police protection? PPB has the lowest tax rate in the County, right? People are more misbehaved, but it is not the BW’s fault, is it? And if it is not their fault, why should they pay, and help out Barrella Tooker Corbally and Gordon, who demonize them? The residents are not paying more taxes than their neighbors, right? This sounds like you just want a piece of the action? What motivates that? Greed?
mailman
2:22 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Nick, well put. And unfortunately, should the 12 o'clock closings be finally laid to rest legally, it still will not stop there. None of the current proponents of the ordinance are up for reelection for another 15 months. Should the bw make a donation the day after resolution by the abc, barrella and his crew will continue their assault through other means. There is no reason to not beleive this to be the case. When they sought payment from the bw for cops and the bw agreed, they raised the bar and demanded the parking suit be dropped and that they accept additional conditions on their liquor licenses. This was only shortly after the mayor insisted that the bar closings and parking plans be treated as clear and separate issues when the bw tried to negotiate a deal for both. I too am with you, Ms. Kelly and many others that the bw should share in these costs, but I also acknowledge that they are expecting to pay a lot more in their legal fees over the next 15 months, and as sad as it is, their reluctance in donating is understandable.
Cathy Kelly
8:15 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
mailman,for some reason,I get the feeling that you actually know me and if that is the case than you have to know that I have never had an agenda,nor had I cared about who has power and who doesn't....When I said that "EVERYONE"involved is at fault,all you have to do is to go back to the beginning(I believe approx 2 years ago)when the Police started talking about the town going in a direction that was not good. Do not listen to hearsay,get the facts...Once you have the facts,I believe that you will realize that Everyone involved should take responsibility... With that being said,you asked me about Barella's comment of $3 a day per household...The first time I heard that was on the patch comments(which I do not take as actual facts) I have never blamed anyone for the change of clientele, I have stated that the fact is there is a change in clientele and we the residents are paying for it....The new breed of tourists are not coming to PPB to come to my house or my neighbors house or to Frankies or the hardware store,they are coming to the BW....That is fact,when I say that I am being accused of hating the BW or being a Barrella shrill,the bottom line is the "FACTS are the FACTS"...
Spooner
3:01 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
...so it was the Mayor who was there with Gordon and Mayer at the negotiations when the $800K offer was made. According to the Ron Gasiorowski's May 9th letter, after Gordon got the BW to agree to upping the figure to $800K, Gordon & Mayer talked to unnamed individual(s) to present the agreement. . .After that. . . they came back and moved the goal posts, wanting to include the parking matter. . .somewhat a forgone conclusion, since there's now two parking lawsuits: one on appeal and the other hasn't even started?. . .Meanwhile the town continues to bleed money. . .
Mike Corbally
3:35 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
.......you folks are so talented at writing fiction, you should get together and author a book. Maybe a blind, spoon carrying mailman visits the Jersey Shore for the first time? I apologize in advance if anyone feels insulted.
Jane Reynolds
5:21 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
because if they dropped the lawsuit they would have been out of time to file due to the time limit that is allowed...another slick vinnie type move...
mailman
5:45 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Not at all. It's an anticipated response. Do you care to clarify exactly what I have written that you consider fictitious, councilman? You're vaque comical interlude itself provides no facts or valuable rebuttal of any kind.
Spooner
5:49 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
...I'm writing fiction! Wasn't it 'Nick' who said:"Gordon, Mayer & Barrella went out in the hallway (and, notice that Barrella was there, sticking his nose into it..."
A simple Yes or No. . .Was Barrella there putting his two sense into the BW negotiations...you can take the Fifth!
...and was that another work of fiction...when at your April 17, 2012 Council meeting they(except you) voted 5 to1 against the early bar closing Ordinance!
Mike; you can't make this stuff up. . .it's right there in your Council minutes.
mailman
5:56 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Yes, found in the council minutes, or in a letter from the County which happened to go missing, or in statutes that require court appearances, or possibly found in an old campaign mailer airing dirty laundry on a running opponent. . . .
MoonDogie
3:51 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Mike C, glad you appeared. You have the resources as a council member to get the answer to a question I posted last night.
"And finally, Public Defecation - I would like to ask “someone in the know” to report on just how many ACTUAL citations were written since Memorial Day, 2012, specifically for Public Defecation in district 4.".
This topic was a pretty damaging piece of publicity for PPB - included in Dave C's Bloomberg interview and I would appreciate (i think many of us would) an actual number of citations issued for this act from Memorial Day 2012 through today specifically in district 4. Thank you.
Mike Corbally
4:08 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
It isn't my turn to count the number of illegal dumps in town. Thank God!
MoonDogie
4:11 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Let me know when it's your turn. Until then, my guess is 0.
mailman
5:43 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Again, facts are not important. It makes for good news according to Barrella and crew, and that is all that matters, even if it brings unwarranted shame to our town.
Debunking Nonsense
7:34 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
But, Mr. Corbally, it is your turn to be disciplined for violating ethics rules by releasing confidential information, isn't it?
Mr. Happy
3:55 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Hi Spooner- We're still waiting for the Bloomberg link so the Patchers can read it, thanks. Also, the town isn't bleeding money, insurance will cover most or all of it. It's a shame any money has to be spent on the first suit that will likely end up being labeled a "nuisance" suit when it's over. Judge Grasso pretty much tore it to shreads, other impartial jurists will probably do the same. The other case has yet to begin. We'll see how that goes.
Spooner
5:14 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
...well here's the Bloomberg video on the story. . .you sort of left that out...
http://www.bloomberg.com/video/jenkinson-s-halvorsen-on-jersey-shore-bar-curfew-jggCtNGeSRuqj5vZg5nbAA.html
PS: the BW parking lawsuit was filed in Federal Court. . .big legal bucks. . .even if the town's insurance company will pay for the defense. And Happy we're talking big-big bucks if they lose. . .Haven't read BW complaint. . .but if they mirror Marina case, there could be questions of lot and lots of Federal money(past and future) doled out to PPB under the aegis in complying with Federal mandates of access associated with that money. . .probably why Barrella wanted the lawsuit to be dropped? Why don't you get the town to furnish the 'patch' with a copy of the BW parking lawsuit complaint and their answer...with Possibly another one of Barrella's diatribe affidavits. . .What do they have to hide? It's just all a nuisance. . .isn't it!
Mr. Happy
4:05 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Hi Mike- The book by certain Patchers is a good idea. How about a radio show too? It would be called "Live from Ancora."
mailman
5:38 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
I beleive the book is indeed in the works and will be printed, bound and found on the bookshelves starting October 2013. It will be re-released annually for the following two years. However, until the councilman and others can lay down some facts as to why they find any of the content erroneous, I do not beleive it will be found in the fiction section.
MoonDogie
6:00 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Title suggestions "The Pupet Master's Defeat"
Mr. Happy
6:08 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Anyone know what a Pupet is?
MoonDogie
6:14 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
I do! It's supposed to have two Ps but I lost one in district 4.
Mr. Happy
6:06 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Hi Spooner-thanks for the link. Is this the same PR machine that:
1. Advertised that there were no parking restrictions after the parking ordinance went into effect?
2. Has yet failed to mention anywhere, about the giant free parking lot?
3. Has this on their website-We'd like to thank our supporters as we continue to work with the town. This is still up after multiple lawsuits?
Can anyone explain any of this??
Spooner
1:13 am on Sunday, July 15, 2012
Happy- you'll have to take up the Jenkinson's issues with their Marketing Director. I believe she posted her email and phone number here. . .have been looking for it?
Nick Carraway
6:16 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Mr. Happy, did you happen to read today's Asbury Park Press? There's an article in there about the parking plan. I noticed that the Mayor mentioned a $48 parking fine for the parking plan tickets. Has that issue been resolved? There was, ironically, no mention of a mandatory court appearance if you get a ticket. Again, has this issue been resolved? You seem to be up to date on the parking plan information, so I was hoping you would know, considering the recent Patch article said that there was a mandatory court appearance due to a failure to amend the parking fees.
Mr. Happy
6:28 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Hi Nick- I didn't see the article, but I believe the fine is $48. I don't think there is an issue with that. The mandatory court appearance, I believe, is still an issue.
The way to handle that would be to have the tickets held in abeyance until the issue is corrected. That's what should be done. Will it? Don't know, sorry.
Nick Carraway
7:02 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Thanks, Mr. Happy. I'm getting very frustrated by the varied information being reported in the media recently. Personally, I had thought that it was a $48 fine, just like any other parking ticket (which I know is a hit to the wallet, but not that big of an inconvenience), until I read that Patch article which mentioned the mandatory court appearance. The court appearance is over-the-top, and, in my opinon, will make it less likely that the town will collect the fine from the ticket. I mean, do we really expect that some college kid, who is perhaps in Ohio attending school, is going to fly back just for a parking ticket? So, when I read the APP article today, and the Mayor's quotes, I thought that maybe that had worked out the court appearance situation. I'm sad to see that the court appearance is still a part of this.
Nick Carraway
6:26 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Ms. Kelly, I'm not spinning anything. Are you really going to put me through the pains of having to dig up all of these posts and information from all of the previous Patch articles? You admitted, in one of your posts, that you had recommended to the Governing Body members that Gordon and Mayer be sent to negotiate with the BW. Are you now denying that? As for my account of what happened with the negotiations, that is attached as a PDF file in one of the older Patch articles. The "strings" that were attached to the $160K offer was that the BW drop its parking plan lawsuit, which the BW refused to do. Honestly, I was shocked that the BW was even willing to continue to sit down with the Council members after the parking plan was adopted. As for the residents being left "holding the bag," I have an idea. Why don't you and your minions of Barrella supporters start making contributions to the police, because as far as I see it, all of you who supported Barrella, Corbally, Tooker and Gordon during these past years' elections cost the rest of us $160k per year, since you're the ones who put these guys in office knowing full-well that Barrella has a vendetta with the BW and that his clan would vote with him as a bloc if elected.
Cathy Kelly
7:53 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Nick,haha well there it is....did I touch a nerve? I am not denying anything,I have said that there was to much animosity between the BW and Barrella so I suggested Gordon and Mayer to intevene in the negotiations,that was never in question,I have also said that ALL parties involved are to blame for the mess that was created.... What is actually hysterical to me is that I was told by more than one person who you were,they also said that they have known you for many years and had so much respect for you and your family,they could not believe that you were sitting on the Patch under an alias posting the things that you are,,,my response was,I am not surprised at all,,,I'm from NY,I have seen it all,you see the difference between you and me is when you don't have an agenda,you don't have to hide....it's simple really,,,,
Debunking Nonsense
8:15 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
But you do have a number of agendas------Barrella's vendetta.
And as for hiding, who is Sam? You own Sam's agendas----anti school anti-police
And we all see it
Cathy Kelly
8:23 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Debunking,as much as I just try to ignore you, I actually pity you and feel the need to respond...I don't know who Sam is,nor do I care...I don't post under an alias and I am sure if you contact Ms.Di Stephan and ask her,she could verify that....I am not sure if you realize how ridiculous your comments sound and how much of a fool you are making of yourself...Right now,you are hiding behind an alias,but the truth always comes out and people realize who you are...I am just trying to save you the embarassment.....
Debunking Nonsense
8:33 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Can't be embarrassed, certainly not by you. Can't be silenced
Nick Carraway
8:55 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
This argument about aliases is simply foolish. Ms. Kelly, it's very nice that you choose to post under your own name. You also head an e-mail chain with I don't know how many names on it, which gives you the freedom to attack people at will without even Ms. DiStephan's intervention. But, even other people on "your team" choose to post under aliases. People like Mr. Happy, Blindbert, etc. You never focus on their real identities, though, which means that you either know who they are or just don't care since they post ideas that you support. The truth remains that it's a personal choice whether someone wants to use an alias or not (even "Laura" doesn't use her full name).
Nick Carraway
8:24 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Ms. Kelly, your playbook with regard to posts has become pretty clear. First, you accuse the poster of "spinning" information. Then, when they provide you with specifics, you start to impugn their character. If it's someone posting under an alias, you malign them for using an alias. It's all clearly designed to allow you to tangent the poster off of the main topic so that you can avoid answering the questions put to you. So, let's return to my initial post, shall we? You have now agreed that there was too much animosity between the BW & Barrella for beneficial negotiations. Yet, Barrella decided to participate in them, anyway, at some point (against even your advice). You also know that the BW offered $160K per year, and they were even willing to put that in as a restriction on their liquor license. (See the e-mail from the BW's attorney that Corbally sent to you and you sent out through your e-mail chain). So, then, why is it that you think that the BW should still be willing to contribute money to the police if they still have an early bar closing hanging over their heads? Oh, and just out of curiousity, what do you think of Barrella's idea to have the State Police patrol the BW between midnight and 2am, since that's the main topic of this article? Do you think that's a good idea or a bad one?
Cathy Kelly
9:25 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
I accuse the poster,no I accuse you Nick.....and second,where in the email does it state that the BW offered $160K and they were even willing to put that in as a restriction on their liquor license........Now this is going to be fun.....Nick,please produce the email where it says what you have just posted.....I can't wait to see it and everyone reading these comments will be anxiously waiting also.....
Liar Liar Pants on Fire
8:53 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Cathy Kelly: You actually have the nerve to malign others for using an alias and you deny that YOU yourself post under any aliases??? I have 2 words to prove you're a liar....."PUPPET WATCHER!" You already got caught using that alias...so any reasonable person would question how many OTHER aliases you actually use, no? What say you now, Kelly???
Nick Carraway
9:00 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Mrs. Gordon has also been caught posting under an alias on the Paul Mulshine article. Really, though, this tactic is often used by Ms. Kelly to distract people from her failure to answer more important questions.
Cathy Kelly
9:28 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Again the children are using the computer while the parents are not paying attention.........
Cathy Kelly
9:20 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
ok,I will set the record straight again because obviously people need to hear it more than once...when I first was introduced to the Patch,(over a year ago) I thought it was a blog(I didn't give much credibility to it because I didn't think it was a real news outlet) I signed up under puppet watcher because we had many puppets on council and I thought it was all for fun. Once I realized that there were actual real news stories being posted,I signed up under my own name because I thought that's what most adults do. That was well over a year ago,maybe even longer. I had emailed Ms.Di Stephan at least a year ago and asked her how to delete the first account I set up. Once I realized that it was a legitimate online newspaper I have ALWAYS posted under my own name....so now that you cowards know my story AGAIN,let's move on to the real issues,,,Nick,many people reading these comments know who you are and every day they continue to email/call me and tell me how upsetting that is...I don't know you well enough to actually care but apparently there are many people that have lived in this town for decades that are shocked by your lack of honesty....
Nick Carraway
9:52 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Ms. Kelly, you should not be troubled by these people who are so upset with me. Please feel free to have them call me directly. If they know me, they should have no problem expressing their opinion to me directly. According to you, they have known me for years and have a lot of respect for me and my family. Anyone who has that type of respect for me should have no problem calilng me to discuss their issues with me. On the other hand, I have serious reservations about anyone who would call you to talk about me behind my back.
Debunking Nonsense
10:53 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Ms. Kelley: When you thought it was all for “fun” you used an alias? And then when you realized it was “actual real news” you started using your real name because “that’s what I thought most adults do” Well, that explains it! You really do take yourself much too seriously, don’t you?
Nick Carraway
9:29 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Ms. Kelly, I am truly alarmed by a post you left at 8:15pm tonight to Mailman. In that post, you told Mailman that he should not listen to hearsay, that he should get the facts. You also mention that the first time you heard about Barrella's comment regarding the cost per household was here on the Patch. Did you attend the May 15 Council meeting? Have you attended any of the other more recent meetings? If you can't attend a meeting, do you read the minutes or request a tape of the meeting? How is it that you "get the facts" before you post an opinion? BTW, the 5/15/12 minutes are available online. You can see where Lisa Mueller asked how much the offer would amount to per household.
Cathy Kelly
9:56 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
ok Nick, this was the questioned asked of me:........are you at all upset with Mayor Barrella stating publicly that the cost of the extra cops that the BW were willing to pay for only amounted to $3/household/month and that he felt the residents could absorb the additional dollar amount and in-turn rejected it? and this is what was stated at the council meeting:.......
Lisa Mueller, PPB: asked what effect the Boardwalk’s offer would have on each taxpayer (Mayor Barrella: savings of about $4/month on an average assessed house of $700K) residents’ quality of life should be foremost in Council’s mind.
really??????????
Cathy Kelly
10:19 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Nick, I am not troubled at all,as a matter of fact, I say let the lawsuits begin, I can't wait to see WHO is exposed,you see,there are many of us that are just spectators and want the truth to come out...there are many residents who lived here much longer than me and are anxiously waiting for the truth to come out so you see Nick,no need to worry about me,maybe you should be a little worried about yourself haha
Nick Carraway
9:43 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Ms. Kelly, in response to your post asking me to produce the e-mail, I draw your attention to the e-mail that you circulated on 6/28/11. That e-mail forwarded 2 e-mails from the BW atty Jason Mandia. The first of those e-mails, at the bottom of what you sent out, was dated 6/25/12, 9:22 pm, to Sean Gertner. In it, Mandia details the discussions held before the ABC director, and says in paragraph (f):" Condition placed on licenses for payment of the funds only (allocated amounts to be placed on each license) – No other conditions on licenses otherthen what was previously in effect." In the later e-mail, dated 6/26/12, 4:02 pm, top of what you sent out, Mandia writes: "my clients are not willing to agree to any conditions on the licenses other than the payment of the contribution." Now, I have no idea what other conditions were asked for, since you did not include Mr. Gertner's response in what you circulated. But, these two statements make it clear that the BW was willing to include payment of the money as a condition on their liquor license.
Cathy Kelly
10:01 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
council meeting 5/15/12...Aleta Weinstein, PPB: not easy to stand before many and speak – has no agenda – is just a community member – her dad wanted a better life for his family and built here in 1964 – he said one of the best things was to open your window at night and hear the ocean and feel the ocean breezes – her family hasn't been able to open their windows for more than 5 to 8 years because of the drunken raucous behavior – she can relate to the woman who is in fear of losing her job, but something has happened here –
Nick Carraway
9:47 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Ms. Kelly, I should've also said that paragraphs (a) of the 6/26/12 e-mail from Mandia also says: "160K total per year for 5 years..." (b) says "Funds to be primarily used for police and sanitation in district 4...."
Cathy Kelly
10:08 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Nick,funny that you left out THIS part of the email...........................I re-reviewed your e-mail below and prior to the meeting tonight wanted to clarify and reiterate that my clients are not willing to agree to any conditions on the licenses other than the payment of the contribution. They are also not willing to dismiss the parking plan litigation. If an agreement is reached, the memo of understanding that will be prepared should address only the items reflected in a-j below. I was advised by Ron that he has been requesting a proposed Memo from your office since the meeting last week and neither one of us has received a draft to date. I bring this up as I do not want to be surprised with the presentation of a memo at the hearing tonight as same would require extensive review which could not be completed or agreed upon on site.
Nick,you can SPIN SPIN SPIN but the truth always comes out....it is called negotiations,one lawyer offers conditions,the other lawyer counters them and than they meet in the middle....as you can see by what you left out of the email,,,there was NO MIDDLE.....
Cathy Kelly
10:02 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
council meeting 5/15/12 Cont......2 weeks ago, the Police had a lineup of 8-10 people on the corner of Niblick and Boston – unbelievable drunks with no respect for the Police – a week ago, 4 women relieved themselves in her family’s backyard and 3 guys were urinating at 2:15AM on the property – she and the neighbors are out picking up bottles and toilet paper in the mornings – it’s disgusting – the Jenkinson family ran it differently – there were no cars on the streets at 11:30 PM and the residents were able to get some sleep – thanked Mayor Barrella and Council members Tooker and Corbally, on behalf of her family, for pledging to keep the residents in mind – also thanked Chief O’Hara and Lt. Dikun for the fine Police force – an officer personally cleaned human fecal waste from porch – a lot of fights – worried about someone getting killed – also worried about someone in town being really ill and seriously in need of medical help, when there are so many First Aid calls about the drunks.
Debunking Nonsense
10:37 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Ck---I see you are easily able to find fellow squeaky wheels quoted in the minutes. No surprise there. I have one for you. On page 105 of "Point Pleasant" by Jerry A. Wooley their is a picture of Jenkinson's with the caption "Jenkinson's reputation soared...as the top . . .bands of the day rocked the 2000 square foot dance floor."
Of course the picture is from 1934---when it was the big bands of your grandparents generation rocking the boards.!
And just so you don't forget. The issues last summer were primarily caused by the reductions in police spending begun by Barrella and Tooker in 2008.
Cathy Kelly
10:46 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
debunking,you and people like you are one of the reasons that I have stayed away from commenting,I don't like to converse with minors,with that being said,I have spoken with people that were born and raised here and had generations born and raised here and they are so upset that the name Jenkinsons keeps being brought up. They said that Jenkinsons was not sold. The name was...The name was bought and with what is happening today in no way reflects how the Jenkinsons Family ran their business. Thats why I always try to refer it as the BW and not Jenkinsons......please refrain from addresing me and I will do the same.....
Debunking Nonsense
10:57 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
And you claim you don't blame the Storinios and don't share Barrella's vendetta? Really??? Do you expect anybodybody to buy that?
Nick Carraway
10:43 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Ms. Kelly, at 8:24 pm today, I left a post directed to you, where I wrote: "You also know that the BW offered $160K per year, and they were even willing to put that in as a restriction on their liquor license. (See the e-mail from the BW's attorney that Corbally sent to you and you sent out through your e-mail chain). So, then, why is it that you think that the BW should still be willing to contribute money to the police if they still have an early bar closing hanging over their heads? Oh, and just out of curiousity, what do you think of Barrella's idea to have the State Police patrol the BW between midnight and 2am, since that's the main topic of this article? Do you think that's a good idea or a bad one?" I asked you several direct questions, which you still haven't answered. Instead, you challenged me to produce the e-mail, writing: "Now this is going to be fun.....Nick,please produce the email where it says what you have just posted.....I can't wait to see it and everyone reading these comments will be anxiously waiting also." In response, I gave you direct quotes from those e-mails, where the BW said that it would pay the $160K per year and make that a condition of its liquor licenses, as I had previously posted. In other words, I gave you what you asked for from me. So, how about you answer my original questions rather than continue to tangent off? Why do you still think the BW should pay the money? Do you think the State police are a good idea?
Cathy Kelly
11:08 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Debunked,once again as much as I do not want to answer you,I feel I must... I do not blame the Storinos,I don't even know them....I know of some family members on a hello/goodbye basis,I do not know any of them personally. This was never personal for me....This was strictly right and wrong. As soon as I started posting the truth(and I would welcome ANYONE)to show me a post that I have made that was not true,than I became open game for being attacked... Thats ok,I have thick skin and when you are telling the truth,the story does not change so again,you try to say that I am blaming the Storinos,You are wrong, I am just stating facts.....I have nothing to hide,I have no agenda,I have no vendetta, but when the truth is put out there it turns into all of the above....
Cathy Kelly
10:57 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Oh I don't know Nick,,,,,,maybe this article was made up by everyone with a vendetta,maybe it is not true that the last line states that "they were partying down the shore" maybe it is just a cooincidence that they were coming from Point Pleasant Beach,Maybe the fact that they had a Kimber Custom II .45 caliber semi-automatic handgun — fully loaded with eight rounds was just an exaggeration,maybe only one got arrested(out of 5)in the car for being a known member of the Bloods Gang....Maybe just maybe it's all a big conspiracy,,,haha or Maybe the residents of PPB are fed up and realize who and what we have coming here and expect some help..........
Kimber Custom II .45 caliber semi-automatic handgun — fully loaded with eight rounds.
Debunking Nonsense
11:28 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
CK. So the local police, in this case Brielle and PPB, can do, and did, do, the job. So why do we need the State police? And how does this incident mean the BW should pay more for police protection than the 1.3 million (Jenk’s property tax bill) the law requires they pay?
If you want to argue Trenton needs to find a different way to fund police services for all New Jersey municipalities as behavior goes down hill in all of New Jersey, I'm with you. As long as you want to pretend PPB is in some way different than the rest in terms of bad behavior, you are just shilling for Barrella.
Cathy Kelly is Wrong for PPB
2:29 am on Sunday, July 15, 2012
Cathy Kelly: Surely you ARE kidding, right? How do you misconstrue --- "they were partying down the shore" --- and confuse that with your own interpretation that --- "they were coming from Point Pleasant Beach"? NOWHERE in the Ocean Star article did it state that the Bloods Gang members were coming FROM PPB, but rather they were PASSING THROUGH PPB --- (remember we do have a State highway that passes directly through the center of town and that same State highway does not have signs posted stating that: "Bloods Gang Members Please Use an Alternate Route." ) How can YOU be SO sure that they were not partying "down the shore" in Seaside Heights? Knock it off with your BS scare tactics trying to incite fear into the innocent peaceful residents.
Cathy Kelly: Do you realize what a moron you sound like with all your rambling propaganda and political rhetoric??? You are simply just another Barrella shrill fool who will burn out in time or self-destruct....just like your Barrella, Tooker, Corbally, Gordon team members. Looking forward to that day,,,,,LMAO! You are an unscrupulous Barrella sychophant....plain and simple.
Cathy Kelly
10:58 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
http://starnewsgroup.com/weekly/2012/07.12.12/_bloods__mem_07.12.12_67924.html
mailman
11:06 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
To provide a clarification in terms of Mayor Barrella's statement that the money that the BW offered for the additional police, it occured at the June 26th meeting and the minutes have not yet been posted. As part of his explanation in advance of voting against accepting the $160k per year, Mayor Barrella stated that it only amounted to $3 per household per month, and for that dollar amount, he would rather see the residents cover the cost and close the bars early. His statement on the $3 /household/month was also quoted in the Ocean Star article covering the decision on Friday, June 29th.
Cathy Kelly
11:20 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Mailman,I have said from day one that I did not agree with the ordinances... I understand why they had to happen... What would you do if you were elected to represent the residents that are fed up with dealing for so many years and as the years go on it gets worse and worse and now on top of it,we are also paying financially for it..... What would you do? Please don't say that you would work with the BW because I attended a meeting LAST APRIL and we have a new Council and Numerous people Working with the BW and NOTHING came of it.....in the end the residents are paying the price.....so right now all the BW supporters can claim as long as Barrella,Corbally etc are in office than the BW will do nothing but the bottom line is the residents are paying attention and paying the price..........if the BW is going to allow the residents to shoulder the burden because of who is on Council than that is not being a "good Neighbor" don't you agree?
mailman
12:03 am on Sunday, July 15, 2012
I know that I agreed with your position before the quality of life issue really began last summer, the cops should not have been cut two years ago. It opened the flood gates to escalading bad behavior that resulted in a costly crack-down last year. Our way about it is more economical this year by adding specials once again and the biggest issue should have remained focused on how to pay for it. However, I don't think that the BW is all to blame for this trend. They did not cut the cops locally and they do not own MTV, which I do believe has inspired a lot of the behavior issues. It is a trend though, and like all others, it will come and it will go. The most important thing is to keep people safe, and our cops are doing that. Truth is, when the pivotal moment came, the BW did offer the money, they offered a platform on how to deliver it (Sea Girt example) and they did offer to have their liquor license taken away if they did not pay it over the next five years. I think that you would have to agree that they have never taken such strides to help cover the residents' tax burden. Certain council people said it could work, others said they could not accept it because they had been called names. Well if it were me, sticks and stones can break my bones, but names would never hurt me when it came to protecting the pocket book of the residents.
mailman
12:05 am on Sunday, July 15, 2012
As far as a donation, I would not be surprised if one was given, and was given before the revenue from the parking permit tickets is realized. As it is still a pending legal issue, there is more to it than you or I know about. Even with a donation, Barrella will still be doing what he can to hurt them where he can. Whether there is validity to the particular issue or not, it is what he has always tried to do, so again I see the BW’s reluctance in writing a check when they know it will not ease his attack. I do, however, blame this mayor for dragging the name of PPB through the mud in every media outlet that he can. This is not good for our town, and only benefits his agenda. As I mentioned in another post, the exact people that we do not want here will read these articles and make it a point to get here. In turn, good families will read the news and want to stay away. This is not what we want. I have not seen anything from Gordon, Tooker or Corbally that would make me think that they will do anything other than what Mayor Barrella wants to see happen. It’s sad, but it is true.
mailman
12:28 am on Sunday, July 15, 2012
Lastly, I must restate that the final thumbs down on accepting the money for the cops came from Mayor Barrella, and was not fair to the residents. He himself separated the two ordinances (bar closings and parking) weeks earlier when the BW tried to negotiate and settle upon both issues. For him to reject the money for cops related to bar closings because the BW would not drop the suit over the parking plan is contrary to his own position. It is not that I am simply pro-BW. If I were, I would not feel so strongly that they should pay for our cops. I think that is very reasonable. And again, in the final hour, they were willing to do so but their offer was rejected.
Nick Carraway
11:29 am on Sunday, July 15, 2012
Ms. Kelly, you say here that you did not agree with the ordinances, but you understand why they had to happen. Great! Can you explain to us why they had to happen???
MoonDogie
11:43 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Just a thought before I retire for the night...
Hmmmm, odd that Sam and Joe were both missing today.
Cathy Kelly
12:26 am on Sunday, July 15, 2012
mailman,you do realize that the BW allowed the crew from "Jersey Shore" to film here,right? I believe it was 2 episodes. As insignificant as that seems,that had a huge impact on the clientele coming here...I understand that people keep blaming Barella and saying he will keep going after the BW but you do realize that if he didn't have the residents support,he would not be able to do that.. I am saying that if the BW wants to show the residents that they want to do the right thing,than they would make a donation to reimburse the residents(at least for this year) for the Police that we are paying for that are needed solely to support their business... I have never had a problem with the BW...I did have a problem with them,in the midst of the residents complaining about quality of life,allowing the "Jersey Shore"cast to film here. What good could come out of that for the residents? but if they are genuine than they should show the residents by reimbursing us...It's simple really...Someone once posted that the Barella,Gordon,Corbally crew only got elected by campaigning to go after the BW....well,fact is they got elected,,,so obviously the residents are fed up and want something done.....
mailman
12:38 am on Sunday, July 15, 2012
I do know that they filmed here last year, and I did not like it. It has not happened, to the best of my knowledge, at all this year. I would like to think that that ship too has been righted. Again, I would not be surprised if the donation that you mention will be made, but since there is still a legal issue that can potentially close them and all of the other bars in town at 12am, I do not see it coming before that is resolved. I do not subsribe to the notion that Barrella et al were elected on a townwide anti-BW platform. Possibly in D4. I do know that Barrella was campaigning in D1 and D2 saying that he was looking forward to working with the BW in his next term, and that was not exactly descriptrive of his actions that followed.
Cathy Kelly
12:53 am on Sunday, July 15, 2012
Mail,while I do feel that you probably are the most reasonable person posting on here,than you can see that whether you like him(Barella)or not,he was elected once,He beat a recall(supported heavily by the R club and the businesses) which is almost an impossible feat and than he was RE-elected....Do you really think that was all done on his own....It happened because there are so many residents that are supporting him,maybe not outwardly because they don't want the backlash from their friends and neighbors but the fact is,he has achieved something that is almost impossible in this town....He has the people behind him,the fact that he was re-elected proves that......that has to say something.....The residents are really tired of hearing about the Barella Vendetta against the BW.........now is the time for the BW to step up....the residents are waiting....
Cathy Kelly is Wrong for PPB
1:56 am on Sunday, July 15, 2012
C'mon man....Cathy Kelly, you are just so out of touch. You really think that YOU know politics? You're a bad joke! Well let me tell you man....that the "politics" can change at the drop of a dime. What may have worked for your boys Barrella, Corbally, Gordon, and your girl Tooker in the past is drastically different this time around. They have pissed off even their most faithful constituents and they haven't got a prayer next time around. They are finished and we all know it...just you wait and see. I'll be laughing my a$$ off and saying "I told you so" on January 1st - 2014. Wanna bet?
Nick Carraway
11:22 am on Sunday, July 15, 2012
Mailman, Ms. Kelly's response above seems to support my conclusion that it should be the Barrella supporters, like Ms. Kelly, who should be contributing money to the town to help offset the police expenses. She says that "he has the people behind him", meaning that these residents supported his decision to reject the money offered and just go forward and close the bars at midnight. According to Ms. Kelly, Barrella is doing the work that the people who supported him wanted. So, as far as I can see it, the Barrella minions the town $160K per year since it was ultimately Barrella who rejected that offer, and he was doing what "they" wanted. Oh, that Recall election...the petition was started by the Democrats, not the Republicans. Frank Rizzo and Stewart Fisher were Democratic candidates, and they were the primaries on the Recall Committee. The first signor of the Recall Petition was....Dave Cavagnaro. I know, crazy, right? Ms. Kelly is right though. Barrella deserves credit for doing things that no one thought possible. For example, no one would've ever expected that Gelson would work on Barrella's team. Those two had public arguments going back to the days of Little League. Even so, Barrella got Gelson on his team during the year of the Recall.
Spooner
1:16 am on Sunday, July 15, 2012
Corbally: leaking confidential emails...I think you should take the Fifth!
...But what baffles me is that Barrella is quoted: "it only amounted to $3 per household per month, and for that dollar amount, he would rather see the residents cover the cost and close the bars early"
So the $64,000 question is. . . why didn't they(Tooker & Gordon) vote yes on the early bar closing ordinance at the April 17th meeting. . .yet less than a month later, Tooker is quoted at the May 15th meeting saying: "been talking about this for several years – been committees for last year – someone's been dragging their feet for a year – not a lot of impetus to get something done – last year was the probation period – this offer is not in writing, so there's nothing to vote on – need to get it hammered out – recommended passing this..." and sure enough. . .Tooker & Gordon changed their votes. . .
Yet now she raises the question that the ABC is probably focused on. . . Once the town begins to defend itself from the ABC bringing up the April early bar closing vote being defeated thanks to Tooker and Gordon voting against it. . .what are they going to say...when there's the same two...now voting for the early bar closing ordinance, less than a month later. How is the town's attorney going to explain to the ABC why the two of them changed their vote?
Mike Corbally
10:18 am on Sunday, July 15, 2012
I didn't take the Fifth. I said I sent it out. Everything we do is public information. I thought everyone should know the BW would not accept any conditions on their liquor license. If i was to say that, you'd be the first to say I was spinning, and that we turned down more donations. You and your friends will spin that fact anyway. Write the book!
Spooner
11:44 am on Sunday, July 15, 2012
Councilman Corbally- public information you say: where was these emails posted on the 'patch'...printed or posted in the Ocean Star...or heaven forbid posted on the town's website. . .What you call "public information". . .are you referring to Ms. Kelly's e-mail chain. I didn't know she was the towns official scribe? Perhaps you can point to where on the town's website this e-mail chain can be accessed...
... and that book you keep referring too. . .thanks to your attorney: who did not advise yous at the April 17, 2012 regarding Ordinance 2012-13(Early Bar Closing) to table voting on it until the BW negotiations were concluded?. . .Now you got a problem with the ABC. . .you think you could play ping-pong with an ordinance of that magnitude affecting the lives and revenue of tens of thousands of people and various state entities, not to mention that other ordinance(2012-16). . .clearly an attempt to circumvent the states policing powers by using municipal authority...to enact a local options tax...
...and your "licensing conditions". . .I believe those conditions are imposed when licenses com up for renewal. . .So when did the BW bars licenses come up for renewals and what conditions(restrictions) did you impose on them? Could you have your clerk identity the meeting where these licensing conditions and restrictions were discussed and voted on. . .
mailman
10:47 am on Sunday, July 15, 2012
Councilman, on the topic of public record, care to share why you deleted the conditions from that email? That kinda looks spin from inception.
Mike Corbally
11:16 am on Sunday, July 15, 2012
The 18 conditions being considered became irrelevant when the "no conditions" e-mail was received. Some of the conditions being considered were an earlier last call, lowering of the music at a certain time, turning on the lights 15 minutes earlier, etc. We didn't create anything new that other establishments in various other towns already accept as conditions. When someone with vast resources promises to litigate any conditions you attempt to impose, your options become greatly limited.
mailman
11:57 am on Sunday, July 15, 2012
As much as I appreciate the attempt at a comprehensive and complete answer, again, you are not providing all of the informaiton. I don't know about other residents, but as far as I am concerned, I do not want others deciding what portions of "public information" I should or should not receive. That is spin. You have just named three of the eighteen conditions. It seems that everytime you said jump, and they did, you continued to say higher, and now the residents are holding the bag. It was Mayor Barrella who insisted that the parking ordinance and 12 o'clock closings were distinctly seperate issues and were not to be negotiated upon together only weeks in advance of the mandate that the BW must drop the lawsuit on the parking in order for the deal to be made on the closings. That is more than spin. There are a lot of words to describe that, and none that I find comforting to describe a person running the government in the town that I live in.
Mike Corbally
12:14 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012
The BW solution was to only throw money at the problem. My personal belief is that money alone would not fix the problem. I could be wrong, but that is my opinion. We are not re-creating the wheel here. Other towns have tried and successfully put conditions/limitations in place that worked for their community.
mailman
12:23 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012
. . . and at this time, we all have neither the money or the conditions that you support. The residents lose. Nearly everyone agreed that the reduction in cops in the summer of 2011 was the primary issue, and how to fund them in 2012 should have remained the primary focal point.
Nick Carraway
1:06 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012
Holy cow!!!! Councilman Corbally, since "everything you do is public information," why don't you forward that response from Mr. Gertner to Ms. Kelly, so that she can send it out to everyone. It seems to be the missing piece of the puzzle and would probably help us all to better understand what went on. Right now, it appears that the lawyers met with the ABC, matters were discussed, the BW lawyer sent an e-mail to Gertner, to formalize what was discussed in front of the ABC, something was then written back from Gertner (apparently seeking to impose 18 conditions), and then the BW lawyer wrote back and said "No. We're not going to agree to that. We'll agree to what we said before the ABC, and the only condition we're willing to accept on the liquor license is that we pay the town the money." Right now, I have to agree with Mailman. Every time you asked the BW to jump, and they did, you kept raising the bar and expecting them to jump higher. But, again, that e-mail from Gertner seems to be the missing piece of the puzzle.
Nick Carraway
11:15 am on Sunday, July 15, 2012
Ms. Kelly, at 10:43 pm, for the second time, I posted these questions to you: Why do you think the BW should still pay the money? (and I had referenced the fact that the BW offered to pay $160K per year and was willing to put that requirement in as a condition on their liquor license, as demonstrated from the quotes from the e-mails from the BW attorney, which I also posted at your request) and Do you think it's a good idea to have the State Police come to PPB to patrol the BW, as suggested by the Mayor in this article? At 10:57 pm, you posted a response that began "Oh, I don't know Nick..maybe this article...." Is your response to my two questions, why the BW should still pay the money and do you think it's a good idea for the State Police to come to PPB to patrol the BW "I don't know"?
Cathy Kelly
12:04 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012
again,you are asking why the BW should still pay the money? Whether the BW likes the Council or visa versa,the residents are forced to pay the money for the Police needed so you see,they would be reimbursing the residents...Is that answer ok with you or would you like to spin that to your liking...I believe that having the state police patrol the BW would be a question for our local Police Dept and I haven't asked them yet so I cannot answer that question........now do your job and spin,spin,spin
Nick Carraway
11:28 am on Sunday, July 15, 2012
Councilman Corbally, the quotes I've posted from the e-mails from the BW atty which you kindly shared make it clear that the BW was willing to accept one condition on its liquor license. It was willing to include payment of the $160K per year for 5 years as a condition on its liquor licenses. Of course, the public has no idea what other conditions you and your fellow Bloc members wanted from the BW because you didn't care to send Ms. Kelly the response from Mr. Gertner. Ms. Kelly's quotes from those e-mails are pretty interesting, though, because they show how Mr. Gertner had failed to provide the BW attys with a memo that they had repeatedly requested from him: "I was advised by Ron that he has been requesting a proposed Memo from your office since the meeting last week and neither one of us has received a draft to date. I bring this up as I do not want to be surprised with the presentation of a memo at the hearing tonight as same would require extensive review which could not be completed or agreed upon on site. " What happened there? Barrella taking too long to write that memo?
Nick Carraway
1:00 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012
Ms. Kelly, thank you so much for answering my questions so directly. Now, maybe we can talk about your answers? You're right. The taxpayers (it's all taxpayers, after all, not just "residents") are paying for the police expenses. And, that municipal budget is done. When the money offer was being discussed, it was made clear that, even if accepted, the money wouldn't be issued as a refund to the taxpayers of PPB this year. Instead, the money would be held over until next year's budget. So, we weren't going to receive rebate checks or any type of reduction in our tax bill this year, even if they had taken the money. You've suggested that the BW contribute money to the police endowment fund. How does that work? If put into the police endowment fund, does that mean that the police put that money back into the muncipal budget next year? After all, the Chief already submitted his budget for this year, that got approved, and we're now paying for that. So, how does a contribution to the police endowment fund end up helping the taxpayers in a reduction on their taxes this year? I honestly don't know, so maybe you could explain that? As for the State Police patrolling, whatever the Chief's opinion on this matter is what works for you. Great! If the Chief says "bad idea," then you'd agree with him rather than the Mayor? Like you, I think it's the Chief's opinion that should matter, and I'd also trust the Chief's decision. I'd like to know what the Chief thinks, too.
TK
11:31 am on Tuesday, July 17, 2012
I do not understand John Jacksons argument in his appeal on the parking plan. He is a town lawyer who is representing a few businesses and residents. There is be plenty of open parking right on the streets in the area at that time. I was under the impression the residents received several passes. The fishermen should be able to park on all the county roads surrounding the area. County roads is not included in this parking plan.
Mike Corbally
12:26 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012
$300 to $500 an hour.
A Resident
3:20 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012
You are correct...you don't understand. There is plenty of open spaces on the streets for people that have passes. Not too many of the people that come to the area to get on the fishing boats have those passes.
TK
11:33 am on Tuesday, July 17, 2012
"There is plenty of open parking right on the streets"
Spooner
12:38 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012
Channel Drive, cross streets between Broadway and Channel Drive and the Manasquan River, that serves the fishing boating tourist industry. . .Those are the parking spaces that come under the Ordinance...which the lawsuit in part addresses? As for Broadway: the road has too much traffic...not a street you want to be on unloading or loading gear, buckets, coolers, what have you?
Mike Corbally
12:41 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012
A race track between midnight and 6 am.
Beach_N8iv
3:11 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012
Where are your highly paid police if that is REALLY true?
A Resident
3:17 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012
Korbelly, if it's a race track between 12 and 6....what are you, as a Councilman, doing about it?
Closing bar at 12 has nothing to do with vehicle traffic at 6am. Parking restrictions?
Have you informed the police chief about this hazard?
TommyG
7:00 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012
Spooner, What is the county roads that are on the side streets that run right into Broadway? Is Chicago a County Road? I would think at that time of the morning there is a big selection of open parking spaces that these fishermen can park.
Spooner
9:20 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012
TommyG- St Louis Ave between Channel Drive and the river where one of the Plaintiffs listed in the lawsuit operates his business. . .Is that a County road?. . .and Channel Drive up by Spikes where two other Plaintiffs operate their businesses. . .Is that also a County road?
TommyG
6:41 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012
A Resident, Like TK said, What about parking on the surrounding County roads that are not part of the towns parking plan... That by the way....Seaside Heights were selling their residents parking spots for the season that were on County roads for a decade. Who allowed that to happen? Seaside Heights should be giving every resident their money back. Should be interesting how this parking plan works out in the end. It is funny how the County stop the town of Point Pleasant Beach implementing the parking plan on the county roads in the town. Yet have been letting Seaside Height for a decade sell parking spots for a $250.00 a spot on County Roads....Something smell funny! Who exchanged a favors for this special treatment? I think this needs to be checked and looked in to. What are you thinking A Resident?
A Resident
9:43 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012
TommyG, don't know....I guess you'd have to ask the County why they were "allowing" it. Although, from what I have seen here and in APP, the County claimed to have been unaware and are now telling SS they have to stop it.
ariah moyer
6:49 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012
i never laughed so loud reading this stuff.
ariah moyer
6:52 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012
council meetings are probably pop corn worthy. they should sell tiks to watch this stuff.
TommyG
6:56 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012
They should, it is just like a circus!!!! You never know what is going to happen next?
TommyG
9:59 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012
A Resident, The unaware excuse is getting old and tired. Our council members should be asking that question. Why were they "allowing" this to take place? What I thought I have seen on here and App, Someone on here posted the county clerk that signed off on this was Former Daniel Hennessy that was also PPB Mayor for years. Hmmmmm....Usual politics being played, jersey style!