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A License To Marry? Why?

“License” : a permission granted by competent authority to engage in a business or occupation or in an activity otherwise unlawful    Merriam-Webster

Why should we need a license to be married anyway?  It’s not like it requires some sort of diploma or successful completion of courses at a marriage trade school or something.  The ability to fog a mirror is considered to be sufficient qualification.

It may surprise some to learn that we didn’t always have marriage licenses.  George Washington didn’t have a marriage license.  Neither did James Madison, Thomas Jefferson or Abraham Lincoln.  Before the Civil War there was really no such thing as a marriage license.  Governments only got into the business of requiring their permission to be married, in the form of a license, in order to prevent blacks and whites from marrying each other after slavery ended.

From Wikipedia under “marriage license” :

"For most of Western history, marriage was a private contract between two families. Until the 16th-century, Christian churches accepted the validity of a marriage on the basis of a couple’s declarations. If two people claimed that they had exchanged marital vows—even without witnesses—the Catholic Church accepted that they were validly married.

State courts in the United States have routinely held that public cohabitation was sufficient evidence of a valid marriage.  Marriage license application records from government authorities are widely available starting from the mid-19th century. Some are available dating from the 17th century in colonial America. But marriage licenses were not required until after the civil war. Marriage licenses from their inception have sought to establish certain prohibitions on the institution of marriage. These prohibitions have changed throughout history. In the 1920s, they were used by 38 states to prohibit whites from marrying blacks, mulattos, Japanese, Chinese, Indians, Mongolians, Malays or Filipinos without a state approved license."

Just as mixed race couples shouldn’t have to seek the government’s approval, neither should same sex couples.  Marriages should be left to people’s spiritual homes, be they churches, or whatever fits their own beliefs.  The legal aspects could be handled easily by civil-partner contracts for all couples who want them.  These contracts would provide all the legal protections of a current marriage license and we would all have the right to enter into such a contract, gay or straight.  Actually, civil-partner, or civil-union contracts could be useful for even for couples that want to merge their affairs for non-romantic reasons, such as elderly widowed sisters that live together, which is rather common.

Leaving it to the government to define what is a marriage, then forcing whatever they decide on the rest of us, is what is causing all this acrimony.  If the government were to make it official policy that Chevys were better than Fords, and that we should all drive Chevys, then the Ford drivers would be fighting with the Chevy drivers.  Wait…they’ve already sort of done that.  Well, you get my point.

Why are we allowing such an important cultural decision to be made by the Stephen Sweeneys and Barack Obamas of this world who can “evolve” (or mutate or whatever they want to call it) faster than an influenza virus?  Nobody is even saying, except for perhaps Obama himself, that the president’s sudden “evolution” was triggered by anything other than the (most recent) gaffe by Vice-President Joe Biden.  The president’s “bold” move on this issue is actually nothing more than political spin and damage control.  This is hardly the way to steer a great civilization such as ours.

The only thing most of our leaders care about is getting campaign contributions and winning the next election.  So let’s leave how our civilization defines marriage up to our civilization itself and not in the hands of a bunch of mutating, self-serving politicians.

audrey

8:45 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

excellent article. while i don't agree with everything, i appreciate learning how the marraige license came to be. ty

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David Peck

9:09 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Excellent work. It is truly refreshing to see someone take the hyper-emotionalism out of a topic which is clearly a political football being played for the purposes of pandering for votes. I've often wondered, given that marriage is one of the seven sacraments, why the rabid "separation of church and state" crowd is so interested in having government define a religious institution. Government has no business defining marriage. It is a topic to be decided between two people, their families, and their clergy.

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Mattie

10:10 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

As I said below, I can go along with your idea... to leave "traditional marriage" as a religious contract between a man and woman (or whatever else is accepted as a marriage within that religion). However, we need to take it one step beyond that - if one is married within the religious context of their faith, that does not automatically include any legal or government sanctioned "Civil Union" perks or benefits. The religious ceremony must be completely separate from the legal/civil and the civil union certificate must be attained for the benefits to cover that religious union. If it's going to be separate, its gotta be truly separate.

Mattie

9:34 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Everything a president (or politician) does is done for and because of "political spin". Every thing. That is the nature of politics.
It's all about appeasing the majority and worrying about votes- both losing them or gaining them. Well at least that's what it used to be about; the politician 'working for' the majority, more or less... evolving with cultural and societal demands and changes over time. But for the last 20-30 years or so, politicians have gradually but steadily forgotten who they 'work for' and have taken up the cause *only* for corporations and the 1%-ers. This is the biggest issue now with many people who are unhappy with the way things are today in politics.
As for the government's involvement in "marriage" issues, perhaps it would be best for ALL people wishing to partner themselves with another human being, be they elderly widowed sisters, elderly sister and brother, males, females, sexual partners or non-sexual partners -- * any combination * of 2 consenting adults -- to form a "civil union" recognized by government for the purpose of all legalities that will entail, and leave it at that.
Leave "Marriage" strictly to the religious institutions and their respective congregation to work out and decide according to their own religious dogma. Being religiously paired should have no bearing either way on legal Civil Unions.
Perhaps that is the way to go. Now.

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Dave Schneck

11:01 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

That's exactly my point. The religious ceremony and the legal contract should be completely independent of each other and couples could opt for either one or both.

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Mattie

11:27 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Sounds like a plan to me, Dave. :-)

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jerseyswamps

6:13 pm on Thursday, May 17, 2012

Mattie,
Sounds like you are saying a union between any 2 adults, even same sex adults should be called a "civil union" or at least something other than "marriage". Leave "Marriage" strictly to religious institutions. That sounds fair. Wouldn't you agree those institutions would probably say a "marriage " is between one man and one woman?

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Mattie

9:02 pm on Thursday, May 17, 2012

Jerseyswamps-

Yeah, that's pretty much what I was saying- as an OPTION to consider. Leave the term and ceremony of "Marriage" to the religious institutions. They (religions) are free to determine what constitutes a "marriage" according to their religious beliefs, and keep the government out of that completely.
BUT in order to be fair, *really fair*, EVERY partnered couple, no matter if they are married within a religious setting (or not) shall be considered a "Civil Union" by the government, and get the SAME EXACT benefits and considerations as the couples currently considered "married" today.
Also marriages in a religious institution should need to separately apply for, and be documented as a "civil union" in order for the government to recognize the partnered couple.
The problem up until this point is that "civil unions" are not treated EXACTLY the same, state to state nor federally, as "marriage" currently is.

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jerseyswamps

5:32 am on Friday, May 18, 2012

Mattie,
OK. That's pretty much what I was saying. Same sex couples should have the same rights EVERYWHERE. Just leave the word "marriage" to those couples who are not the same sex. My main point is that some same sex advocates would not even be happy with what we seem to agree on right here. They are not content to leave traditional marriages alone. They have to have that word. Equal rights is not enough.

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Mattie

10:28 am on Monday, May 21, 2012

Yeah Jerseyswamps, I think we're pretty much on the same page.
However, there's one tiny point I would tweak -

You said: "Just leave the word "marriage" to those couples who are not the same sex."
I would change that to: "Just leave the word "marriage" to those couples married by CLERGY - no matter WHAT genders make up the couple".

Why? Two reasons;
1. SOME churches / clergy DO recognize same-sex marriages and do not have huge issues with gay acceptance.
2. If you're going to separate the religious ceremony from the government recognized "civil union", its got to be separate all the way, no matter who the religious "marriage" covers.
In other words, 2 people can get married in a church, temple, synagogue - where ever they do religious services - and they can be man/woman, or not, doesn't matter; BUT the government will not recognize their "marriage" for *any* legal reason or benefit, until they register/apply for CIVIL UNION status.
See what I'm saying?
I really think it would be very fair that way, don't you?

John Hayes

3:42 pm on Thursday, May 17, 2012

I disagree to a certain extent.

While the marriage bond was recognized by society long before the legal form came into existence, there is a clear state interest in the recognition of marriage as a legal entity. The implications extend far beyond joint ownership of property, responsibility for children, retention of inheritance rights, and any number of other things. Most importantly, the state has a clear interest in strong marriages, and families that arise from strong marriages, since degradation of the traditional family is the primary cause of poverty and poor parenting outcomes.

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lori Bee

10:09 pm on Thursday, May 17, 2012

i strongly agree! however ! howevrt, the implications do extend far beyond ownership, inheritance support, property ownership etc. however we cannot exclude the necessity and importance of these issues as in any business contract to protect the rights of all involved. Notwithstanding,RESPONSIBILITY, clearly defined....were we not to have this legal formality we would be a country of common law unions with no responsibility and random children -even the animal kingdom does better than that. if marriage were so unimportant why are people fighting so hard to obtain it!

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Mark Wendell

11:51 pm on Thursday, May 17, 2012

I agree with John here. In modern times it seems to me to be a legal term.

Sam Lavner

4:14 pm on Thursday, May 17, 2012

Dave - Insofar as your marriage v.license position goes: fair enough. I'm for it. But what to do in the meantime? Maybe you agree that your proposal is unlikely to become policy, or that it is unlikely to become policy anytime soon. By your own thinking, until that happens, there are people being excluded from the functional equivaient (the current form of marriage) of your outcome and they should not be. So, they are being discriminated against.
Hypotheticals have their vital place. But the vital center of this issue is about what is actually happening now. So I wonder if you care to join the growing ranks of your fellow citizens (a small majority now) who favor eliminating the current discriminatory policy (untili your excellent ultimate solution becomes law, whenever that would be)?

Also worth mentioning: Your otherwise fine essay would be greatly improved if you didn't abandon its early balance and weight it heavily against the president while putting no pressure on the clearer villains in this story - the politicians who support and even promote our current discriminatory policy. Why only criticism of the President's likely pandering to a humane position? Doesn't it bother your that tons of other politicians are pandering to bigotry?

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Dave Schneck

8:07 am on Monday, May 21, 2012

It was because Obama's flip-flop, and his silly explanation of it, made news recently. It really has nothing to do with the fact that Sweeney and Obama are both Democrats. In my blog, www.commonsenseforbemar.com I have poked fun at Chris Christie and other Republicans plenty.

Neil Kaye

4:38 pm on Thursday, May 17, 2012

People often fail to recognize that marriage is not a contract between two people, but rather a contract between three entities-the two individuals and the State. When people marry and get along the State has little role, a small voice and takes little action. When things go south and divorce enters the picture, the third party in the contract has a lot of power and a lot to say.

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jennifer

2:03 pm on Saturday, May 19, 2012

While Dave is throwing Obama under the bus for coming out in favor of same sex marriage, how can he not add that Dick Chaney came out a few years ago for same sex marriage (even though his party opposes it vehemently) because he has a daughter who is a lesbian and in a committed relationship. Now - did he come out with his changed decision because of politics or because he sees that his own daughter is entitled to the same rights as everyone else with regard to marriage? And I am sure it personally hurts him that she is not given the same rights as everyone else because she is gay. When these issues hit home, people (even vile people like Dick Chaney) see how very unfair it is that same sex couples do not have equal rights.

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